crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Time for a "the case for Kaminsky thread', methinks.

My main issue with him, is if you draft him, you'd better pray we sign Gasol, because otherwise I don't see how you build a team thats good enough defensively to make the playoffs.

That's my issue with him.

I'm sort of convinced that we're signing Greg Monroe - Monroe and Kaminsky would be terrible together.

Perhaps that's a false assumption I'm toiling under though.

Kaminsky Monroe would be the best passing big men tandem in the nba. Since Frank can play a Mobil 4 Monroe would have his space in the paint . On defense you have 2 seven footers

yeah, I'm coming around to that idea... oy, this draft is confusing me.

I'd still prefer Stein. But Kaminsky may be the best pure shooter of the lotto picks - he's at least second best behind Russell.

His ability to stretch to the three point line would give Melo and possibly Monroe a ton of space.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Time for a "the case for Kaminsky thread', methinks.

My main issue with him, is if you draft him, you'd better pray we sign Gasol, because otherwise I don't see how you build a team thats good enough defensively to make the playoffs.

That's my issue with him.

I'm sort of convinced that we're signing Greg Monroe - Monroe and Kaminsky would be terrible together.

Perhaps that's a false assumption I'm toiling under though.

Kaminsky Monroe would be the best passing big men tandem in the nba. Since Frank can play a Mobil 4 Monroe would have his space in the paint . On defense you have 2 seven footers

yeah, I'm coming around to that idea... oy, this draft is confusing me.

I'd still prefer Stein. But Kaminsky may be the best pure shooter of the lotto picks - he's at least second best behind Russell.

His ability to stretch to the three point line would give Melo and possibly Monroe a ton of space.

No way he's a better pure shooter than Russell imho

Russell is a good shooter but not a pure shooter. Curry is a pure shooter, Bird was a pure shooter Mullin was a pure shooter. 41% from three point line does not make you a pure shooter if that is the criteria then Calderon is a pure shooter.

I know a lot of you guys think I'm not a Russell fan I am I like his game it has a lot of potential. But once you get past his three point shooting and get inside his number don't standout.

I like Kaminsky to me he is this years McDermot.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Vmart wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Time for a "the case for Kaminsky thread', methinks.

My main issue with him, is if you draft him, you'd better pray we sign Gasol, because otherwise I don't see how you build a team thats good enough defensively to make the playoffs.

That's my issue with him.

I'm sort of convinced that we're signing Greg Monroe - Monroe and Kaminsky would be terrible together.

Perhaps that's a false assumption I'm toiling under though.

Kaminsky Monroe would be the best passing big men tandem in the nba. Since Frank can play a Mobil 4 Monroe would have his space in the paint . On defense you have 2 seven footers

yeah, I'm coming around to that idea... oy, this draft is confusing me.

I'd still prefer Stein. But Kaminsky may be the best pure shooter of the lotto picks - he's at least second best behind Russell.

His ability to stretch to the three point line would give Melo and possibly Monroe a ton of space.

No way he's a better pure shooter than Russell imho

Russell is a good shooter but not a pure shooter. Curry is a pure shooter, Bird was a pure shooter Mullin was a pure shooter. 41% from three point line does not make you a pure shooter if that is the criteria then Calderon is a pure shooter.

I know a lot of you guys think I'm not a Russell fan I am I like his game it has a lot of potential. But once you get past his three point shooting and get inside his number don't standout.

I like Kaminsky to me he is this years McDermot.

I hear what you're saying about McDermott, but keep in mind that McDermott couldn't get on the floor because of his defense later in the season. That's factoring in that McDermott had a better combine than Kaminsky.

That is exactly my point. Defense will be of concern with Kaminsky. The fact that he is a senior and his defense is in question is why he isn't being considered higher. If I had a 7-10 pick definitely would take Kaminsky.

WaltLongmire wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I will say I don't know how anyone could look at Kaminsky and look at Porzingis and come away wanting Porzingis more.

You're right. While Porzingis has a higher plateau Tell me why Frank Kaminsky can't be a great player and at the same time a much safer bet. Are we going to get an nba player in free agency who is better than Frank Kaminsky? in some ways Frank might be the only truly polished complete player in the lottery. Also on that quick little snippet testing athletic ability with the dunks he looks more than fine for a 7-1 guy. I suggested taking Kaminsky 4 on realgm and I think people really wanted to reach through the computer and punch me.But the reality is he is very likely the best choice if you add everything up.

Have to see a Porzingis workout, similar to this one. Porzingus was not necessarily a featured player on his Euro team, hard to know how he would be in the same situation as Kaminsky faced. One thing Porzingus has not shown compared to Kaminsky is an ability to pass the ball, something Kaminsky does well, and this is a skill valued in the triangle.

I would be happy with either guy, and I have already come out and said I would be willing to take Kaminsky at #4 if he impresses in our workout... and yes, I have been criticized by other posters around here for suggesting his.

Looks like this workout was designed to showcase him as a stretch 4, for the most part. Does not look like he has put on any weight.

You had a lot of continuous feed where he would hit shots with no cut in the video, and he was effortless in his shooting. Not sure whether he has a higher release now, but I don't think there is any big in this draft who has as smooth and effortless a shot from deep, and that includes my boy Porzingus. And lets not forget that he is a legit 7' player, despite is shorter wingspan. Russell seems to be the only guy who is a better shooter, but I'm not even positive about that at this point.

I continue to be amazed by guys who discount the player Kaminsky has become. I've said this a few times now- this is a guy who clearly improved during his college career, to the point where he led his team to a final 4 and finals finish in his final two years. He played in a disciplined offense and on one of the better defensive teams in college. He was the bloody college player of the year, and the only guy who played against all the other top bigs in the draft, and was never outmatched in those confrontations.

He can pass, rebound, shoot, and dish. He's a good kid who is graduating from his college, and he is clearly an intelligent person and player. He looked like he had some decent footwork in the video, and I think he may be a better positional defender than some think.

Yet you look at a sight like DraftExpress and he is listed below Stein, Johnson, Turner, Oubre, three of whom did nothing in turns of tournament sucdess, and all of them (less so for Stein) ahead of him more because of so called "potential" than anything else.I can see why Porzingus, Mario H, and even Winslow might be listed ahead of him, but I don't think the others are at his level.

We will see what happens in the workouts. You have to think that Kaminsky is going to be looked at closely by a lot of teams, especially if his skill set and position fits their team.

Good point the word effortless is perfect. this will be the nuclear miss of the draft. You really are seeing Frank Kaminsky pro workout here there might be some variation but this is basically it . He shows you the dirk one foot step back jumper athleticsm around the basket incredible smooth long range shooting. The safest bet is Kaminsky he's going to be very good. I think the Knicks need to just go with it and let it play out . No way no way they go wrong with Kaminsky not 1/100 I'll bet my name sake on this message board he is an all star level player by year 3 or 4 sans injury and good right away. He's been to the last two final 4s and that was not a deep talented team they had God players but they were the only ones who had kaminsky

smackeddog wrote:Is it fair to compare Kaminsky to Mirotic?

I'd say Mirotic is more of a catch and shoot guy, Kaminsky actually has more post play to his game and more mobility and he's a little bigger, maybe two inches taller. I see Kaminsky growing into a center role in the league.

smackeddog wrote:Is it fair to compare Kaminsky to Mirotic?

Frank is 7-1

Natureally I'd love to see Phil make a move and grab two picks and nail it.
The hype machine will gear up after the finals.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:The thing that is making me unsure about Stein over Kaminsky is that one of the few big tournie games I missed this year was Kentucky vs Wisconsin. And it looks like Stein had a terrible game and Kaminsky had a great one. Did anyone watch the game and have a scouting report on Stein vs Kaminsky?

I think there is video on YouTube of that game. Frank had to deal with all of those big guys and played the best game of all of them

Not sure the full game is available on YouTube anymore- I think they were taken down. if you download torrents, here is the Kickass Torrents site- there are still seeders, it would seem. It will be the entire game, I think.

https://kat.cr/ncaa-b-2015-march-madness-final-four-sf-04-apr-wisconsin-v-kentucky-720p-reborn4hd-t10460924.html

With 20 points, he outscored Towns and Stein combined by 2.. Had 11 rebounds and blocked two shots.

I remember coming away from the game realizing that Kaminsky was at the same level as the Kentucky bigs. He was really the only guy with any length on Wisconsin and he had to battle against a team with about 5 good athletes of 6'10 or more.

Sangfroid wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Kaminsky gives everyone on the Knicks more space he's an unusual player who could also become a franchise face 4 man on the upside. I feel god about his d does he have Porzingis upside there no but in simple fundamentals of basketball this is one of the best 7 footers in many years at a time where his skills are at a premium

College player of the year. 7'1" with a jumper and post moves. And he has that physical strength that we WISHED Porzingis had. We can't even call this guy a sleeper. He is definitely gaining steam.

When you watch Kaminsky walk around and effortlessly whip in 3 after 3 like a guard--watch the one legged pullback Dirk Jumper --watch the footwork skills--and then cap it off with pretty fair athleticism in his drills(maybe this is why he lost ten pounds rather springy to be honest) this guy looks like he has been playing pro basketball for 6 year already. This will be a full blown miss for anyone from 4-10 who misses this pick. There is a lot to like about Porzingis he is unique hes 7-2 with a wingspan of maybe 7-5/7-6 hes got extension of a Rudy Gobert and I think he should be good--Kaminsky what are the odds that he isnt good? I think Olynck is an inch shorter and I like KO but look back at his film---hes good could be better without the foot injuries--but hes not Frank Kaminsky. I think youre watching a player who is going to exceed expectations and potentially be a start 4 in this league with the flexibility to move him back and forth to 5 depending on match ups and who I have on my team. I URGE the Knicks to take Kamnisky at a HIGH level DO NOT make the mistake here--we have only the one draft pick this high for two years. Mudaiy should be good could be great but its possible Kaminsky can be a player than materially effects W-L by the way teams just have to prepare for him. Is it mistake that when he played Kentucky a team that whooepd most teams they played--he controlled the paint by himself with 4 lottery picks and 6 NBAS big men on the opposite team? Nope I say hes an easy choice. So unless I see that Porzinigis came into Westchester and walked out with with KG chants coming out of the gym or Mudaiy is driving Jim Dolans car--than I think Ill stay with my original thought process be safe be smart take Kaminsky the end.