crzymdups wrote:

smackeddog wrote:
I don't like the ageist stuff being thrown at Phil- it's a load of crap- people in their 70s aren't doddering old fools who shouldn't be listened to, people can contribute at any age. You could say people in their 20s and 30s think they're pushing something new, when in reality it's just recycled **** and they don't have the wisdom and experience to realize that.

I respect Phil... but I think it's fair as a fan to question his performance so far... and worse, his commitment to the job. Not showing up at the lottery was not a good look.

Also, the rumblings we've heard about Phil not liking the Isiah move make me worry that Phil and Dolan are not on the same page.

We've had so much management tumult during the Dolan era... I don't think you can blame fans for worrying that Phil is yet another NBA legend who will leave here in a cloud of controversy or whatever. Larry Brown, Isiah Thomas, Donnie Walsh, Mike D'Antoni, Mike Woodson, Jeff Van Gundy, Ernie Grunfeld... the list of great NBA names to cycle through the Garden under Dolan has been long and painful for most of them... and us...

I have no problem with people questioning his moves, it's the casual ageist stuff that I get annoyed with.

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's 2015 and Phil signed on in 2014. He was last in the league in 2011. He was in the playoffs that last year as well. People seem to think he somehow rusted up over the 3 year gap between 2011-2014. They think the game passed him by and he wasn't paying attention to the NBA over that time period. It's all silly talk. Phil is a lifer and he's always paying attention to basketball.

No, we think that he's 70 years old and he's never been a GM/President.

So what magically happened when he turned 70?

You realize Popovich is 66 going on 67 don't you? That Pat Riley is 70?

knicks1248 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:It's 2015 and Phil signed on in 2014. He was last in the league in 2011. He was in the playoffs that last year as well. People seem to think he somehow rusted up over the 3 year gap between 2011-2014. They think the game passed him by and he wasn't paying attention to the NBA over that time period. It's all silly talk. Phil is a lifer and he's always paying attention to basketball.

No, we think that he's 70 years old and he's never been a GM/President.

So what magically happened when he turned 70?

You realize Popovich is 66 going on 67 don't you? That Pat Riley is 70?

LOL, last i check both of those guys started the culture change 20 yrs ago, they are healthy and still very much at it.

If phil was coaching the knicks, you would have a valid point, but since he isn't, you sound very ridiculous

Sure.

Phil has certainly lost every trade he's made in my eyes. I get that Tyson and JR and Shump and Felton may have needed to go, but it'd have been nice to get assets back. At least one first round pick would've been nice.

fwk00 wrote:The attacks on Phil are utter bullshat. beat that dead horse all you like.

Next year's team will be better than this year's team and this year's team with some health and luck would have won 30-32 games or so - Either very close games or games in which we had Gallo, Shved, Bargs, Thomas, Amundson, and a healthy Melo available. You cannot judge the talent of this year's team on the manufactured record.

That said, next year we start with Melo at the four backed by at least Amundson (who will be resigned - he's found a home).

Unless there is a big surprise, Mudiay or Russell will be coming in at the lead guard position to complement and eventually supplant Gallo (who will retire a Knick), Shved (who also found a home), Calderon (unless traded).

One of Butler (won't stick around post-Thibodeau)/Middleton/Carroll will get signed (we can offer playing time, stardom, and cold cash). Swing forwards will include Tenacious, Early and one or two of Acey/Thomas/Sanchez/other.

DeAndre Jordan, Munroe, or Robin Lopez will be backed by Cole Aldrich.

There's no guarantee that team can't make the playoffs but on paper and barring injuries they are plenty capable of doing so.

I don't think there's a chance in heck that Melo plays the 4.

I'd bet on a WCS/Monroe/Melo frontline over Melo playing the 4.

fwk00 wrote:The attacks on Phil are utter bullshat. beat that dead horse all you like.

Next year's team will be better than this year's team and this year's team with some health and luck would have won 30-32 games or so - Either very close games or games in which we had Gallo, Shved, Bargs, Thomas, Amundson, and a healthy Melo available. You cannot judge the talent of this year's team on the manufactured record.

That said, next year we start with Melo at the four backed by at least Amundson (who will be resigned - he's found a home).

Unless there is a big surprise, Mudiay or Russell will be coming in at the lead guard position to complement and eventually supplant Gallo (who will retire a Knick), Shved (who also found a home), Calderon (unless traded).

One of Butler (won't stick around post-Thibodeau)/Middleton/Carroll will get signed (we can offer playing time, stardom, and cold cash). Swing forwards will include Tenacious, Early and one or two of Acey/Thomas/Sanchez/other.

DeAndre Jordan, Munroe, or Robin Lopez will be backed by Cole Aldrich.

There's no guarantee that team can't make the playoffs but on paper and barring injuries they are plenty capable of doing so.

Butler is a RFA and has no say on the matter
Middleton is an RFA and has no say on the matter
Deandre Jordan is an RFA and has no say on the matter.
Robin Lopez scks
Greg Monroe is reasonable but not earth shattering he will be an upgrade if he lands here.
We have not signed Schvyed and he still has ? marks as does Galloway
and if the honest plan is to bring back Admundson to be in a top 9 role--overall we wont be very exciting we may not be a playoff team and we limit our upside.

The team you mentioned would probably be beat handily be teams like Philly Milwaukee Boston Clevland Chicago Atlanta and the only upside player you have is a PG who will have NO athletic running mates. This team has little chance for anything other than continued 7-11 seeding Y-Y.

crzymdups wrote:

fwk00 wrote:The attacks on Phil are utter bullshat. beat that dead horse all you like.

Next year's team will be better than this year's team and this year's team with some health and luck would have won 30-32 games or so - Either very close games or games in which we had Gallo, Shved, Bargs, Thomas, Amundson, and a healthy Melo available. You cannot judge the talent of this year's team on the manufactured record.

That said, next year we start with Melo at the four backed by at least Amundson (who will be resigned - he's found a home).

Unless there is a big surprise, Mudiay or Russell will be coming in at the lead guard position to complement and eventually supplant Gallo (who will retire a Knick), Shved (who also found a home), Calderon (unless traded).

One of Butler (won't stick around post-Thibodeau)/Middleton/Carroll will get signed (we can offer playing time, stardom, and cold cash). Swing forwards will include Tenacious, Early and one or two of Acey/Thomas/Sanchez/other.

DeAndre Jordan, Munroe, or Robin Lopez will be backed by Cole Aldrich.

There's no guarantee that team can't make the playoffs but on paper and barring injuries they are plenty capable of doing so.

I don't think there's a chance in heck that Melo plays the 4.

I'd bet on a WCS/Monroe/Melo frontline over Melo playing the 4.

Melo could selectively play the 4 for minutes but if he is given 38 minutes load at 4 his knees will buckle by game 41. We desperately need to cut Melos time down to 30 minutes AND get younger more athletic more diverse stay away from even mentioning names like Robin Lopez. Als fans need to understand what RFA is--it means that it is UNLIKELY we can acquire the player--worse if we even get to an offer sheet a team can hold us hostage while other team FA are moving.

crzymdups wrote:It's funny that a lot of us assume Monroe will be a Knick. Imagine the shock and dismay here if Monroe re-signs in Detroit. People will be horrified, for a player most of us didn't even want at first. LOL, life as a Knicks fan.

You could essentially have

Monroe inside

Kaminsky in and out

Anthony back at 3

Galloway who will get much more space

and if we resign Schyeyd

I hope the Knicks look for an additional late 1 and mid two for both Fuzaro and Connughton who should both be here. This is how you make great teams.

You get two plus athletes and put them on the same team same age let them grow together. I accept a form of rebuilding /retooling. Im not looking for anything for awhile. BUT if you build the core out like the way I mentioned all of a sudden you have 6-7 good/great players in the younger primes.

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:It's funny that a lot of us assume Monroe will be a Knick. Imagine the shock and dismay here if Monroe re-signs in Detroit. People will be horrified, for a player most of us didn't even want at first. LOL, life as a Knicks fan.

Now that we ended up with the #4 spot I'm convinced Monroe will be brought in. It's the perfect spot for him. This offense is tailor made for him and he'll get his money and a better player than he's played with so far in his career. Phil will get in his head about the bigs he's had who have had success in his system. People shouldn't underestimate Phil in this regard. He has very clear roles for his players and can break it down for them how they'll succeed here in his system. They all know his record and his knowledge of the game.

If Phil can get something like Monroe and WCS and Middleton or a playmaking guard of any kind this summer, I will have more respect for the job he's done.

This is a huge summer for Phil and the team. It's basically the only time in the next 3-4 years we can do a full overhaul. Otherwise we have to wait til Melo comes off the books.

Cryz ho do you get Middleton when the Bucks will match any offer. Sounds good--not realistic.

Yeah, it's no lock. And from what I've heard he wants to return to Milwaukee. They're building a nice young nucleus there and he likely wants to stay.

But my thinking was they have Giannis Antetokounmpo, Jabari Parker at the 2/3... but maybe they play Parker at the 4 with Antetokounmpo basically 6'11" and able to cover any position now.