smackeddog wrote:I think Phil goes Mudiay, simply because he has stressed the importance of penetrating guards, and there aren't any available in free agency.

That team would bludgeon you night in and out and be in games. A similar team looks good w/ Mudiay at the help. Galloway at the 2G. MElo on isos (yuck) and Mudiay on the drive and dish. Something like that

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I think Phil goes Mudiay, simply because he has stressed the importance of penetrating guards, and there aren't any available in free agency.

Or Winslow.. Look at this on defense:
PG Galloway
SG Winslow
SF Melo
PF Milsap (4 years $70mm)
C RLopez (4 years $50mm)
Bench: Shved, Cole, Early, THjr

That team would bludgeon you night in and out and be in games. A similar team looks good w/ Mudiay at the help. Galloway at the 2G. MElo on isos (yuck) and Mudiay on the drive and dish. Something like that

I'd prefer moving Melo to PF and signing Carroll for SF as unlike milsap, carroll has stepped up in the playoffs- a rare skill, plus combined with Winslow, that would give you two players who shine when it matters.

BRIGGS wrote:I said it in a post

1A.Porzingis--reasoning why? He might have the most diverse potential in the draft and he's 7-2

1B Kaminsky--He might be the next Dirk or close to it. His 42% 3 point shooting for a 7-1 guy who can handle the ball like a guard who is mobile who is a great passer solid rebounder. Hes a better basketball player than Porzingis right now but Porzingis can help now(and needs to be deemed healthy by MDs in terms of his body type--that he will be able to put on 20 pounds naturally)) and has variables that can potentially be seen higher than Kaminsly--manly from his incredible extension and potential on defense.

2a Winslow--Hes right there but the big to me for this team on the basis that everything is close has a an advantage.

Have very little interest in the PG's although I concede both could be very good to great. I really like that Brazillian PG Fuzaro. Looking at his stats in what looks to be a league that is above CBB he avg 9 points 2 rebounds 2 assists shooting 57% from the field and 42% from 3 while rarely turning the ball over and was one of the best defenders in the league. He is highly athletic with good size and ambidextrous. If he can be had around 25 or so--I think his value there champions a player taken at 4. Take the big at 4 leave the PG to later. Russell lacks athleticism Mudiay lacks shooting--if they were combined they'd likely go 1 but they're not.

For 3 and D I think Pat Connaughton has been very over looked. Hes not listed in either mock but I think its possible he could slip into late rd 1. He's been a prolific 3 point shooter with good size 6-5 220 hes a great rebounder solid defender good passer with a powerful athletic body. If not I think the Knicks should really look into buying a second round pick and although we have some guards there are many ??? with those guards. And while PJ might not believe in 3 and D--Pat gives you more than that hes explosive to the rim and hes a very good rebounder. This is where a team finds a new improved Danny Green for 500k for the next 3 years and some DUMB team gives the real one 10mm.

I think this is sound startegts IF we can find a pick later in rd 1 and a reasonable 2. With Porzingis I have no need for Mickey anymore--I can fully concentrate on guards.

One caveat post draft--Id be willing to bring in Joshua Smith to Westchester to see if hed be willing to lose 60-70 pounds. He is very nimble and athletic for his size--he can play but he needs to lose the weight. Getting him to Westchester would be a great place to see if we can convince him into taking a smart approach to his body. I think a big reward is out there for team willing to work with him if he brings the ethic with him. No contract etc.. just an avenue on our SL team and to hook him up with pro trainers and nutritionists to se if we can work it. If not he had no cost anyway.

Holy cow when did you all of a sudden become a fan of picking Porzingis at #4?? I've been talking about him for a while at #4 and you've always been one of the first people to tell me how he's a bad pick at #4 for us so i'm happy that you've come around on him because you're one of the people on here that always has good insight on players.

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Mudiay or Porzingis. I have to wonder if the Lakers take Russell though. If they do Okafor might be there or available from the Sixers in a trade for the 4th pick.

If OK4 makes it to Philly at #3 then i would absolutely think Philly will trade the pick and i think the Magic will be the first team to want to make the trade up cause they have the 5th pick.

If Philly makes OK4 available at 3... I hope Phil goes all hands on deck to get that pick. This is where it'd be nice to have some picks from the Tyson or Shump trades to sweeten a deal...

crzymdups wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Mudiay or Porzingis. I have to wonder if the Lakers take Russell though. If they do Okafor might be there or available from the Sixers in a trade for the 4th pick.

If OK4 makes it to Philly at #3 then i would absolutely think Philly will trade the pick and i think the Magic will be the first team to want to make the trade up cause they have the 5th pick.

If Philly makes OK4 available at 3... I hope Phil goes all hands on deck to get that pick. This is where it'd be nice to have some picks from the Tyson or Shump trades to sweeten a deal...

I do think you have a lot of "proud" prospects, each of whom believes that they should be a top 1 or 2 pick.

This is a good thing, obviously, and everything you hear about the top level prospects seems to say that they are good kids. I think I've heard a number of players categorized as "Gym Rats," the latest being Mudiay, who is said to be hanging around in NYC working and counseling younger players. I've heard Winslow mentioned as a guy who is a GR, and when you see guys like Russell and OK4 with their advanced offensive games and moves you figure that they tinker around a lot in the gym. Hell, how many times have you had two players in a draft (Russell/Mudiay) who are describe by scouts as seeing the game as if it is in slow motion and anticipating what will happen (offensively) within the flow of a game before it actually happens.

Don't know that much about Porzingis, other than reading an account of some new shots he's working on with his trainer, but he has a lot of moves for a guy his age, as does Mario H.

Even Kaminsky, besides being a good kid, must be given credit for working on his game. Seemed like he was just a big body his first 2 years, but he has clearly worked on having an all-around game.

I have my picks for the Knicks, but there are a lot of players in this draft who I would not mind us ending up with.

Really hope that we can somehow acquire another pick in the first round.

ramtour420 wrote:I would take Winslow. Mudiay will not be good for us because his shooting is not good. Big man that are left at the 4 are not difference makers. Mario might turn out better but he is too big of a risk on a team that needs guys to really step up.

Noah went 9th
Jermaine Oneal went 16th
Zach Randolph went in the teens
Cousins went 5th
Hibbert went 17th

smackeddog wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I think Phil goes Mudiay, simply because he has stressed the importance of penetrating guards, and there aren't any available in free agency.

Or Winslow.. Look at this on defense:
PG Galloway
SG Winslow
SF Melo
PF Milsap (4 years $70mm)
C RLopez (4 years $50mm)
Bench: Shved, Cole, Early, THjr

That team would bludgeon you night in and out and be in games. A similar team looks good w/ Mudiay at the help. Galloway at the 2G. MElo on isos (yuck) and Mudiay on the drive and dish. Something like that

I'd prefer moving Melo to PF and signing Carroll for SF as unlike milsap, carroll has stepped up in the playoffs- a rare skill, plus combined with Winslow, that would give you two players who shine when it matters.

Winslow and Carroll at the 2 & 3 is a nice thought.