There's a sort of educated guess work involved. Dirk wasn't looking as good as he would eventually become. Dirk Went #9 in his draft. It was a different time but still you have to imagine that he didn't yet look like the Dirk he would become. Not saying this kid will be Dirk, but just that he could still yet develop into a much better player. It's a tough call.

As for other draft picks, i'm not sure what the Knicks are going to do. Based on their comments after the lottery it doesn't seem like they're hot to go after more picks in this draft.

nixluva wrote:With Kris P. you have to be able to project a little bit. This kid is young and still growing into his height. Some people fill out faster than others. I can't say just how good the kid is or is going to be but I would leave that up to the scouts who see him in action. There's always risk when going for prospects that aren't as developed.

There's a sort of educated guess work involved. Dirk wasn't looking as good as he would eventually become. Dirk Went #9 in his draft. It was a different time but still you have to imagine that he didn't yet look like the Dirk he would become. Not saying this kid will be Dirk, but just that he could still yet develop into a much better player. It's a tough call.

As for other draft picks, i'm not sure what the Knicks are going to do. Based on their comments after the lottery it doesn't seem like they're hot to go after more picks in this draft.

One thing about Porzingis is he WILL be able to play right away--no doubt about that. He already plays with men who have played NBA basketball. It will be up to him and us to help refine his physique and check with MDs that he has strong joints limbs etc.

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:With Kris P. you have to be able to project a little bit. This kid is young and still growing into his height. Some people fill out faster than others. I can't say just how good the kid is or is going to be but I would leave that up to the scouts who see him in action. There's always risk when going for prospects that aren't as developed.

There's a sort of educated guess work involved. Dirk wasn't looking as good as he would eventually become. Dirk Went #9 in his draft. It was a different time but still you have to imagine that he didn't yet look like the Dirk he would become. Not saying this kid will be Dirk, but just that he could still yet develop into a much better player. It's a tough call.

As for other draft picks, i'm not sure what the Knicks are going to do. Based on their comments after the lottery it doesn't seem like they're hot to go after more picks in this draft.

One thing about Porzingis is he WILL be able to play right away--no doubt about that. He already plays with men who have played NBA basketball. It will be up to him and us to help refine his physique and check with MDs that he has strong joints limbs etc.

What position would you play him at and what free agents would you put next to him?

WaltLongmire wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:With Kris P. you have to be able to project a little bit. This kid is young and still growing into his height. Some people fill out faster than others. I can't say just how good the kid is or is going to be but I would leave that up to the scouts who see him in action. There's always risk when going for prospects that aren't as developed.

There's a sort of educated guess work involved. Dirk wasn't looking as good as he would eventually become. Dirk Went #9 in his draft. It was a different time but still you have to imagine that he didn't yet look like the Dirk he would become. Not saying this kid will be Dirk, but just that he could still yet develop into a much better player. It's a tough call.

As for other draft picks, i'm not sure what the Knicks are going to do. Based on their comments after the lottery it doesn't seem like they're hot to go after more picks in this draft.

One thing about Porzingis is he WILL be able to play right away--no doubt about that. He already plays with men who have played NBA basketball. It will be up to him and us to help refine his physique and check with MDs that he has strong joints limbs etc.

What position would you play him at and what free agents would you put next to him?

Unless he shows some serious lateral movement ability, I would think he would be a 4. If he comes in a lot stronger, though, maybe you can even put him in at the 5 every now and then, as his length can compensate for his lack of strength.

If the Monroe rumors are true, I could see a situation where Monroe plays "center" while Porzingis provide support on the weak side. Monroe's offensive numbers go up another level when he plays center, so it seems like a good fit.

BigDaddyG wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

nixluva wrote:With Kris P. you have to be able to project a little bit. This kid is young and still growing into his height. Some people fill out faster than others. I can't say just how good the kid is or is going to be but I would leave that up to the scouts who see him in action. There's always risk when going for prospects that aren't as developed.

There's a sort of educated guess work involved. Dirk wasn't looking as good as he would eventually become. Dirk Went #9 in his draft. It was a different time but still you have to imagine that he didn't yet look like the Dirk he would become. Not saying this kid will be Dirk, but just that he could still yet develop into a much better player. It's a tough call.

As for other draft picks, i'm not sure what the Knicks are going to do. Based on their comments after the lottery it doesn't seem like they're hot to go after more picks in this draft.

One thing about Porzingis is he WILL be able to play right away--no doubt about that. He already plays with men who have played NBA basketball. It will be up to him and us to help refine his physique and check with MDs that he has strong joints limbs etc.

What position would you play him at and what free agents would you put next to him?

Unless he shows some serious lateral movement ability, I would think he would be a 4. If he comes in a lot stronger, though, maybe you can even put him in at the 5 every now and then, as his length can compensate for his lack of strength.

If the Monroe rumors are true, I could see a situation where Monroe plays "center" while Porzingis provide support on the weak side. Monroe's offensive numbers go up another level when he plays center, so it seems like a good fit.

He might be better at the 4 helping out a guy like Monroe, who has a stronger base at this point.

crzymdups wrote:

blkexec wrote:If you look at the posted scouting video, lateral movement was one of his strengths. Plus his outside shooting and shot blocking was key for me. He's a perfect 4 or 5....depending on the matchups. He will provide the same things on defense as Towns or WCS. A tall rim protector. The difference is he's more skilled than WCS and 3 years younger. So imagine what he will look like in 3 years!

If anybody likes Towns, then you would love to have this dude. He's the Euro version of a two way player, at 7'2
And at that height, you don't want him to gain too much weight. Tall guys like that don't last very long in the NBA when they gain weight. He needs to model his game after Dirk, instead of trying to make him a low post Shaq. He's a finest big man with quick feet and plays defense.

I think you're discounting Stein's defensive skill set. In the Porzingis tape I've watched, he seems to get overpowered on the wing and in the post.

Also, I'm asking seriously - do you really think Phil or Melo are going anywhere a draft pick who will take three years to develop?

I think they'll go with someone ready to contribute, which seems to narrow it to Winslow or WCS.

I don't believe he will get over powered at PF. WCS is a center....Plus he will get overpowered at the NBA level as well, depending on the center matchups. I believe all the bigs in the draft are 3 years away from full development. But each big will be able to contribute right away in some areas. The 7'2 dude, Towns and WCS will immediately be weak side shot blockers. WCS will never be a long range jump shooter. Towns and Porziniqis will be. WCS and Porziniqis are wire stronge. But Porziniqis has an excuse since he's only 19....same with Towns. Both will be different types of bigs when they reach WCS age. Both have better offense than WCS right now. WCS will be subject to the hack a Shaq rule.....not Towns or Porzinigis, since they are both decent shooters. If Towns and Porzingis are 19, and already known for their defense and offense....imagine how they will look in a few years of NBA experience, at the ripe age of 21....When your body starts to mature.

crzymdups wrote:

blkexec wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

blkexec wrote:If you look at the posted scouting video, lateral movement was one of his strengths. Plus his outside shooting and shot blocking was key for me. He's a perfect 4 or 5....depending on the matchups. He will provide the same things on defense as Towns or WCS. A tall rim protector. The difference is he's more skilled than WCS and 3 years younger. So imagine what he will look like in 3 years!

If anybody likes Towns, then you would love to have this dude. He's the Euro version of a two way player, at 7'2
And at that height, you don't want him to gain too much weight. Tall guys like that don't last very long in the NBA when they gain weight. He needs to model his game after Dirk, instead of trying to make him a low post Shaq. He's a finest big man with quick feet and plays defense.

I think you're discounting Stein's defensive skill set. In the Porzingis tape I've watched, he seems to get overpowered on the wing and in the post.

Also, I'm asking seriously - do you really think Phil or Melo are going anywhere a draft pick who will take three years to develop?

I think they'll go with someone ready to contribute, which seems to narrow it to Winslow or WCS.

I don't believe he will get over powered at PF. WCS is a center....Plus he will get overpowered at the NBA level as well, depending on the center matchups. I believe all the bigs in the draft are 3 years away from full development. But each big will be able to contribute right away in some areas. The 7'2 dude, Towns and WCS will immediately be weak side shot blockers. WCS will never be a long range jump shooter. Towns and Porziniqis will be. WCS and Porziniqis are wire stronge. But Porziniqis has an excuse since he's only 19....same with Towns. Both will be different types of bigs when they reach WCS age. Both have better offense than WCS right now. WCS will be subject to the hack a Shaq rule.....not Towns or Porzinigis, since they are both decent shooters. If Towns and Porzingis are 19, and already known for their defense and offense....imagine how they will look in a few years of NBA experience, at the ripe age of 21....When your body starts to mature.

WCS shoots FTs at 61.7%, Okafor shoots at 51%. Tyson Chandler shot 60% his rookie season. Noah shot 66% his junior year at Florida. I don't think WCS is that bad a FT shooter for a big man.

I have no idea how Porzingis will develop over the next three years, but that wasn't my question. My question was do you think Phil and Melo are willing to wait around to see IF he can develop in three years. WCS is already 21, like Noah was coming out of school, and his skills directly translate to the NBA right now. He could step into training camp and contribute at a high level. There is no way that is true of Porzingis. I'm just asking if you think Phil and Melo will be willing to wait around to see if maybe this guy is a good nba player when he's 21 or if he's another international big man bust like Skita, Vesaly, Darko, Lampe, etc.

I believe the reason WCS was connected with the knicks early on was because Melo and Phil can't wait. But there might be outside pressure to pick the BPA (even if it takes him 3 years to develop). Since Phil doesn't expect anything from this years draft pick, and rather build this team through free agency, I can see Phil being forced to take the BPA. And if Porzingis is as advertised, then he will be the best player available, just because of his combination of offense, defense, and 7'2....Bigs are always more valuable than guards. I agree with you about WCS and I would be happy to have him. I really like most of the top 10 players in the draft. What I like about WCS more than Towns, is his ability to be a rim protector and play defense without getting into foul trouble. That's due to his maturity. As far as Towns, Prozingis and others, at this point, you can only assume they will reach that level of maturity. But that's what the top of the draft is about. It's never been about college production, with the lottery picks.....it's always about potential. Phil will be forced to pick whoever they have ranked as the top 4 player in the draft. So at first, I didn't think they would pick someone like this, but as time goes on, yes I can see them picking him.