BRIGGS wrote:I have a feeling Phil is sitting home in his underwear smoking a dube and watching YouTube videos

well that is just... like... your ****ing opinion man... :)

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:Perimeter defenders like Shump don't grow on trees..A 3.9 mil per next year, he is a steal...Shump is healthy and defending at a high level in the playoffs..

Inconsistent players can be found ever year. I remember Shump helped us beat the Celtics three seasons ago and I hoped he would turn the corner. So far Shump has been player who follows one with above average play with another sub par season. I'm glad Shump is playing well now, he still hasn't proven that he's dependable enough to start on most rosters.

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

holfresh wrote:Perimeter defenders like Shump don't grow on trees..A 3.9 mil per next year, he is a steal...Shump is healthy and defending at a high level in the playoffs..

Inconsistent players can be found ever year. I remember Shump helped us beat the Celtics three seasons ago and I hoped he would turn the corner. So far Shump has been player who follows one with above average play with another sub par season. I'm glad Shump is playing well now, he still hasn't proven that he's dependable enough to start on most rosters.

He doesnt have to start on most rosters, to be honest nobody on our team are starters on any team but ours outside of Melo. What Shumpert is though is a good cheap cost role player. We might have to pay upwards of 10 mil to replace a dude that likely wont get 5. Thats stupid to an art.

Phil didn't want to trade Shump but in the end it got rid of JR's cap hit and we should be able to replace Shump with another 3nD guard. A $10 mil 3nD would have to be a much more consistent player than Shump to pay that much. Shump is having a great playoff run. Good for him. We have to move on.

BRIGGS wrote:Jees I thought penetration was the first principle of sex.

What if it's "just the tip"?

holfresh wrote:Well u are actually losing JR at 6m and Shump 4m because u added Calderon at 7m..

That's not how that works since they would just be added on top of Jose's salary and not instead of it. Jose is just holding the spot until 2016 when we need that extra cap space to go after a Max player. He's just one of those moves you have to swallow for now. You don't have to like it but acceptance is required. There's enough money to get an impact player and that's all I care about. We need Phil to upgrade the starting lineup and we should have enough money to get that done. We know the names out there. It just a matter of which guys Phil ends up bringing in.

Once they settle on a Draft pick that will setup Free Agency and the dominos begin to fall. It's getting closer and won't be long before we know what the final product will be.

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:Well u are actually losing JR at 6m and Shump 4m because u added Calderon at 7m..

That's not how that works since they would just be added on top of Jose's salary and not instead of it. Jose is just holding the spot until 2016 when we need that extra cap space to go after a Max player. He's just one of those moves you have to swallow for now. You don't have to like it but acceptance is required. There's enough money to get an impact player and that's all I care about. We need Phil to upgrade the starting lineup and we should have enough money to get that done. We know the names out there. It just a matter of which guys Phil ends up bringing in.

Once they settle on a Draft pick that will setup Free Agency and the dominos begin to fall. It's getting closer and won't be long before we know what the final product will be.

First of all, saying a player's contract is "holding a spot" for a different player in the future is stupid. Second of all, Calderon's contract runs through 2016 and doesn't come off the books until the Summer of 2017.

Oh well. He's old, he'll retire soon. Isiah might right the ship in 2018 - who knows!

knickscity wrote:I remember when calderon was this leader and perfect fit. "oooohhh we've never had such a player like calderon"

Man shut up.

He didn't know the guy was going to be injured before the season even started. Jose was recently playing at a pretty good level offensively. No one expected him to suddenly not be able to shoot the 3 when he was so good at it in his career. As for the Leadership part that was mostly about his locker room presence and his steady play on the floor. At his age no one is saying he was supposed to be CP3 or John Wall. Besides there was more wrong with the team than one player could solve.

Jose was supposed to play the Paxson, Kerr, Armstrong, Fisher role and pop 3's. JR was supposed to play the Kobe Role as the attacking offensive guard. etc.

This season was mostly a test to see who fit and who didn't. They could've just played PnR basketball to hide the truth but that wouldn't have solved anything. They needed to see who could play system basketball and who needed to go.

Now we will see what Phil is able to do in remaking the top of the rotation. This was always going to be a big summer. It's just more of a rebuild than they originally hoped was necessary.