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BRIGGS
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5/12/2008  6:51 PM
Posted by eViL:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

Yes, I would have wished such a prudent outlook in the past, and hope we can do so in the future.

let expiring deals expire and develope players. We need to stop trading ending deals for longer unproductive ones. If Isiah can cultivate talent, then we can do this going forward.

Cube made a good buisness decision. And he is loading on youth. He got pavel, Harris, howard, daniels all in last two years.
I disagree; I'd love to see Isiah pull off more Marbury type deals using expiring contracts

HAHAHA!!! I've been digging up some Nash threads and when I saw this post, I couldn't help but laugh. Bonn is an expert!!!

Yeah where is Bonn--I remember he loved selling those big contracts out--I guess you need to listen to people who have been around the block son.
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5/12/2008  7:44 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Nalod:
Posted by BigSm00th:

Unless Nalod is Dolan, then who cares about Jimmy Dolan and his luxury tax? Let the bum pay it. The Knicks will be, as kam said, $40 million above the cap instead of $50 million, is that such a great reward?

It makes more sense to trade the expiring contracts for players, but as you can see (well, nalod probably can't), Isiah isn't acquiring any contracts past the year Houston and Anderson expire. With Cuban, he's aiming for the TV deal. With Isiah, since he's the GM and not President, he's looking at the year the league's two worst contracts get taken off the books.

good point about expiring all together. Im good with a plan.
Im just hearing too many fans all fired up about taking on what ever with no regard to the buisness side, which is what ultimately drives the team.

This has been my point all along, as long as we add talent we can take on bad deals as long as they don't run longer than Houston's and Andersons deal, those are the two deals that have the knicks in bondage..... Penny, TT and naz deal will fall off the books before Anderson and Houston and we will still be over the cap... Until we get rid of those two deals being under the cap is a pipe dream...


Well things didn't quite go as you suggested. It's a shame this must have fell on deaf ears. Begs to question why you supported moves that went contrary to your words above. You were 100% right but this organization proved to be 100% wrong.


[Edited by - TrueBlue on 05-12-2008 6:45 PM]
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5/12/2008  8:26 PM
nice read.. as an owner and business man, Cuban gets it...
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5/12/2008  9:48 PM
A couple of things...

First, can you guys please revise a resurrected topic. I'm reading that Cuban post thinking that I was trapped in some parallel dimension, wondering why Cuban is revisiting the Steve Nash situation.


Second, I dont think Bonn said anything unreasonable. Furthermore, anybody else questioning Cuban right now, who basically let his ego, petty differences, and a few bucks stand in the way of re-signing his point guard? Hmm...Does a Nash led Mavs squad grab a chip ('05-'08) ?
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5/12/2008  10:11 PM

---->Second, I dont think Bonn said anything unreasonable.

Yes it is. Nothing personal against Bonn--but rather the concept of trading multiple large expiring contracts to take on huge salaries for one target--it was an awful idea. Is it possible for posters here to have had high caliber business positions in the vocational world who could easily see this as a very poor business plan beyond their knowledge of basketball? I can see an isolated/calculated trade using this technique for a tier one basketball player but to build a team this way? There is no other way to bottom line it--it was poorly planned and executed. That is why it failed miserably and put us in that quagmire. It cost the Knicks well over 1/2 billion $ and we averaged 25 wins--case closed.

[Edited by - BRIGGS on 05-12-2008 10:15 PM]
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5/12/2008  10:17 PM
BRIGGS, to be fair you were 100% supportive of the Stevie Francis trade, were you not? no one's right 100% of the time, except for TB the Messiah of course.
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5/12/2008  10:26 PM
Posted by TMS:

BRIGGS, to be fair you were 100% supportive of the Stevie Francis trade, were you not? no one's right 100% of the time, except for TB the Messiah of course.

Im talking about the business plan. I don't recall being thrilled with any trade but as a fan you always want something to work. What does a fan do when this is how it is? You hope for the best at that point?
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5/12/2008  10:37 PM
i ain't bashing on ya for supporting the trade... i was pretty high about the Marbury trade too... everyone was proven wrong on that one... no shame in being wrong or right about any roster move... all u can do is cast ur lot either way & hope for the best... what else is there?
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5/13/2008  12:02 AM
Bonn shamed himself by being wrong about something on the record. He violated the first rule of UK Posting: "Thou shalt never be proven wrong." I wouldn't be surprised if he never posted here again.


[Edited by - basketballjones on 05-13-2008 00:03]
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5/13/2008  12:22 AM
Great read.

And the Cuban blog was not bad either!!!!

Mavs were 2-0 with Harris at the point. They were close.

Nash can't guard the parimeter and Damp is not the greatest in picking up.

Cube logic was solid at the time.

Too bad he panicked and got fleeced by Thorn.
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5/13/2008  7:28 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

Yes, I would have wished such a prudent outlook in the past, and hope we can do so in the future.

let expiring deals expire and develope players. We need to stop trading ending deals for longer unproductive ones. If Isiah can cultivate talent, then we can do this going forward.

Cube made a good buisness decision. And he is loading on youth. He got pavel, Harris, howard, daniels all in last two years.
I disagree; I'd love to see Isiah pull off more Marbury type deals using expiring contracts

HAHAHA!!! I've been digging up some Nash threads and when I saw this post, I couldn't help but laugh. Bonn is an expert!!!

Yeah where is Bonn--I remember he loved selling those big contracts out--I guess you need to listen to people who have been around the block son.

Wow, talk about being snotty. "Son"? I already admitted I was a homer fan back then. Re-read this thread and then grow up: http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=14818&page=1 The scary thing is you still want to build a team around EY and view him as a 24/8 player. You've got serious issues about needing to be viewed as the smartest poster here.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-13-2008 07:32 AM]
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5/13/2008  8:44 AM
People's views change over time; nothing wrong with that. What's more important to me is when people can admit that they were wrong in the past.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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5/13/2008  9:27 AM
Funny to read those defending Isiah two years ago.

But yeah, who could have imagined anyone doing a worse job than Larry did, and allowed to do it for two seasons.

And the whole President "thing".
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5/13/2008  1:15 PM
don't worry Bonn, i was probably the biggest advocate of bringing LB here... not one of my finer moments either.
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5/13/2008  1:29 PM
Posted by TMS:

don't worry Bonn, i was probably the biggest advocate of bringing LB here... not one of my finer moments either.

Yes it was. Me you and Bip will always have Larry. LARRY WE LOVE YOU!
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5/13/2008  2:15 PM
I actually just read that. Great read. Cuban took a risk and though Nash panned out and turned into a hall of famer, you can still understand where Cuban is coming from.

Anyway, Bonns a jerk.
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5/13/2008  2:23 PM
Posted by Solace:

People's views change over time; nothing wrong with that. What's more important to me is when people can admit that they were wrong in the past.


Good point Solace I sorta mentioned this yesterday.
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5/13/2008  2:31 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

Yes, I would have wished such a prudent outlook in the past, and hope we can do so in the future.

let expiring deals expire and develope players. We need to stop trading ending deals for longer unproductive ones. If Isiah can cultivate talent, then we can do this going forward.

Cube made a good buisness decision. And he is loading on youth. He got pavel, Harris, howard, daniels all in last two years.
I disagree; I'd love to see Isiah pull off more Marbury type deals using expiring contracts

HAHAHA!!! I've been digging up some Nash threads and when I saw this post, I couldn't help but laugh. Bonn is an expert!!!

Yeah where is Bonn--I remember he loved selling those big contracts out--I guess you need to listen to people who have been around the block son.

Wow, talk about being snotty. "Son"? I already admitted I was a homer fan back then. Re-read this thread and then grow up: http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=14818&page=1 The scary thing is you still want to build a team around EY and view him as a 24/8 player. You've got serious issues about needing to be viewed as the smartest poster here.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-13-2008 07:32 AM]

hear that? that's the sound of panties getting into a twist.
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5/13/2008  3:01 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Solace:

People's views change over time; nothing wrong with that. What's more important to me is when people can admit that they were wrong in the past.


Good point Solace I sorta mentioned this yesterday.

I do give Bonn credit; he's among the group that has admitted such. At least a few have switched sides multiple times and never once admitted that they were ever wrong, even though their belief today would heavily contrast with their belief six months ago.

It's just like having a girlfriend or wife. Many of them (I won't say all) will give every excuse in the world for every situation in the world, when a simple "I'm sorry; I was wrong" once a month would end the argument. Instead it's a bunch of, "well, I remember it a little differently and ... and ... and oh yes, the phase of the moon ... and ...". Makes you appreciate the ones that can admit it. Similar thing here.

(And yes, that example was out of the blue)
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5/13/2008  3:18 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by eViL:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Nalod:

Yes, I would have wished such a prudent outlook in the past, and hope we can do so in the future.

let expiring deals expire and develope players. We need to stop trading ending deals for longer unproductive ones. If Isiah can cultivate talent, then we can do this going forward.

Cube made a good buisness decision. And he is loading on youth. He got pavel, Harris, howard, daniels all in last two years.
I disagree; I'd love to see Isiah pull off more Marbury type deals using expiring contracts

HAHAHA!!! I've been digging up some Nash threads and when I saw this post, I couldn't help but laugh. Bonn is an expert!!!

Yeah where is Bonn--I remember he loved selling those big contracts out--I guess you need to listen to people who have been around the block son.

Wow, talk about being snotty. "Son"? I already admitted I was a homer fan back then. Re-read this thread and then grow up: http://www.ultimateknicks.com/forum/topic.asp?t=14818&page=1 The scary thing is you still want to build a team around EY and view him as a 24/8 player. You've got serious issues about needing to be viewed as the smartest poster here.


[Edited by - bonn1997 on 05-13-2008 07:32 AM]

hear that? that's the sound of panties getting into a twist.
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