You know what---I wouldnt doubt that Rakeem Christmas is one of the draft's most successful players to start off his NBA career. Hes a 4 year player who improved dramatically and one thing you could see so easily in Chicago is the confidence and polish he had. He was smoooooth. He's a 4 man who can play 5 and he has some offensive upside not previously noticed with a VET nice mid range jumpshot. Those long arms he has allow him to use a variety of smooth moves to score while also being a guy who can help block/alter shots rebounding etc... I think you'll see in SL that he is better right off the bat than most lottery picks not named Towns or Okafor.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/21/report-celtics-interested-in-trading-up-in-draft-maybe-for-willie-cauley-stein/

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:You don't draft a guy who has 0 offensive game after being at a top college program for three years with the 4th pick.

This pick still offers franchise altering capabilities.

Stein is not the answer.

+1

but D Jordan is a super max?

mreinman wrote:Boston looking to trade up to get Stein. Brad Stevens and Ainge aint no dummies. These are the guys who drafted kelly O.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/21/report-celtics-interested-in-trading-up-in-draft-maybe-for-willie-cauley-stein/

Im sure the C's are advertising the direct player they want to draft.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:You don't draft a guy who has 0 offensive game after being at a top college program for three years with the 4th pick.

This pick still offers franchise altering capabilities.

Stein is not the answer.

+1

but D Jordan is a super max?

fair question, but you know what your getting w/ Jordan and thats some of the best rebounding and shot blocking in the league. So whatever you pay Jordan you know what your getting for that money, and yes.. I would give him his max available.

Draft picks are all about potential. WCS is a piece. Maybe a nice piece but not sure he's a building block guy.

maybe but he may have a lot less bust potential than a guy like mudiay.

with todays switch happy defenses Stein could be a defensive star. DJ can't guard the perimeter like him, not even close.

today, the hardest play to guard is the PnR. Stein is phenomenal at switching on to anyone on the floor.

One thing you can tell with Mudaiy if you study is that he is NOT a SG posing as a PG--like an O J Mayo. He really wants to pass first and make plays--more so than Russell. Russell might be a better passer but I dont think hes a better PG. And while Mudiay is NOT in the league of a Kobe athletically he uses his good athletic ability -and here is the key--his innate ability to change speeds along with his agility and power to create space. He also has that Magic Johnson PG style vision--hes a good passer and seems to know where everyone is and can get them a pass from all angles.

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:You don't draft a guy who has 0 offensive game after being at a top college program for three years with the 4th pick.

This pick still offers franchise altering capabilities.

Stein is not the answer.

+1

but D Jordan is a super max?

fair question, but you know what your getting w/ Jordan and thats some of the best rebounding and shot blocking in the league. So whatever you pay Jordan you know what your getting for that money, and yes.. I would give him his max available.

Draft picks are all about potential. WCS is a piece. Maybe a nice piece but not sure he's a building block guy.

maybe but he may have a lot less bust potential than a guy like mudiay.

with todays switch happy defenses Stein could be a defensive star. DJ can't guard the perimeter like him, not even close.

today, the hardest play to guard is the PnR. Stein is phenomenal at switching on to anyone on the floor.

One thing you can tell with Mudaiy if you study is that he is NOT a SG posing as a PG--like an O J Mayo. He really wants to pass first and make plays--more so than Russell. Russell might be a better passer but I dont think hes a better PG. And while Mudiay is NOT in the league of a Kobe athletically he uses his good athletic ability -and here is the key--his innate ability to change speeds along with his agility and power to create space. He also has that Magic Johnson PG style vision--hes a good passer and seems to know where everyone is and can get them a pass from all angles.

how do you know this? from what footage?

The Miami Heat found Hassan Whitside in the D league this year and Willie Stein if hes in the NBA for 10 years will NEVER be better than Whiteside who the Knicks EASILY could have had for nothing.

Why am I putting a 4 pick into WCS? You know Willie Stein to me couldve gave me more than 6 points against 6-4 Notre Dame players and 2 fcking points in the TITLE game while being out there the whole time!!!!

Last game

Willie Stein 2 points 5 rebounds 1 block

Frank Kamnisky 20 points 11 rebounds 2 blcoks

By the way fishmike is dead on it seems like 1/2 the time WCS is out there he is not engaged. Tell mw how a junior a winning player gets 2 points and 5 rebounds at 7-1 in a title game? Can someone name me a guy like that--where the fck was WCS? Im not taking him 4 hes an 8-16 pick for a team that has less needs than us.

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

JrZyHuStLa wrote:You don't draft a guy who has 0 offensive game after being at a top college program for three years with the 4th pick.

This pick still offers franchise altering capabilities.

Stein is not the answer.

+1

but D Jordan is a super max?

fair question, but you know what your getting w/ Jordan and thats some of the best rebounding and shot blocking in the league. So whatever you pay Jordan you know what your getting for that money, and yes.. I would give him his max available.

Draft picks are all about potential. WCS is a piece. Maybe a nice piece but not sure he's a building block guy.

maybe but he may have a lot less bust potential than a guy like mudiay.

with todays switch happy defenses Stein could be a defensive star. DJ can't guard the perimeter like him, not even close.

today, the hardest play to guard is the PnR. Stein is phenomenal at switching on to anyone on the floor.

One thing you can tell with Mudaiy if you study is that he is NOT a SG posing as a PG--like an O J Mayo. He really wants to pass first and make plays--more so than Russell. Russell might be a better passer but I dont think hes a better PG. And while Mudiay is NOT in the league of a Kobe athletically he uses his good athletic ability -and here is the key--his innate ability to change speeds along with his agility and power to create space. He also has that Magic Johnson PG style vision--hes a good passer and seems to know where everyone is and can get them a pass from all angles.

how do you know this? from what footage?

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=515282
You can see whole games here...

mreinman wrote:you don't even talk about defense. Its irrelevant to you?

Its irrelevant to you that a 7-1 240 pound junior had 2 points and 5 rebounds in a final four game. If I was a GM Id ask him hey Willie where were you in that title game--why cant you give us better than 1-4 when it counts? Why did Kamnisky get 20-11? You were the experienced player out there--how can I rely on you--you let your teammates down.