mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's a good prospect. No ifs ands or butts. Ironically he's most people's 4th choice.

because nobody knows much about his so its easy to want him.

Cartman718 wrote:he could be a player... but more rondo-esque, than stephen curry-ish.
i think he will get even better at defense, but his offense is either fast break or nothing.
he needs the ball in his hands to score and that is his biggest weakness. i didn't see any highlights of him running around screens to catch the ball and make a shot.

I wouldn't put him at Rondo-esque but more of J.Wall-esque because remember that J.Wall came into the league as shooting being his worst asset and he's still a bit streaky but he's gotten better at it with commitment and hard work.

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:they were a 100% right about shump, THJ, toney douglas..i like this kid a lot, i would take him over towns and oak, because we need a PG sooooooooooooo bad..the basketball gods know this

S.Mills made a comment last night that has me thinking more than i already was that we'll be trading the pick for veteran help. When talking about what they will do with the pick he said "we're gonna do whatever we need to do to help us win next year" I put it in quotes but i'm not sure if those were his exact words but i do know that he said "winning next year" which are the key words. Winning next year means to me that they don't want a rookie and that they want veterans that can help right away.

They did not schedule a Mudaiy workout nor did they even scout him. It might be the right move to take Mudaiy to have him in for two private workouts but this is 12 years running where we have blown a pick. Did anyone read that article where in 10 years our tier one draft slots have played 430 games out of a possible 8000+?

The problem--Jim Dolan only cares about filling the seats and winning 40 games. This is NOT a championship type business plan. This is get me good content for my cable TV show and to fill my seats. Did anyone just pay for the Mayweather fight--same F deal. He doesnt care he just wants to give someone a little something o take the money out of their pockets. Our chance was last night and now we are really scred.

I expect the 4 pick and Calderon to go bye bye in one trade and were going to use full cap to the till.

WaltLongmire wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's a good prospect. No ifs ands or butts. Ironically he's most people's 4th choice.

because nobody knows much about his so its easy to want him.

Yep, they don't know enough about the kid to give him a true evaluation so you just don't hear much about him and the other reason for him being projected 3 or lower is just because there's two legit big men coming out that both are seen as mostly can't miss prospects in one way or the other and teams just can't pass up on getting a legit center just like we were gonna take one of the two. We may have lost out on both the bigs but i don't see how anyone could be upset with any one of D.Russell, E.Mudiay, J.Winslow or my sleeper K.Porzingis.

I see Porzingis as a sleeper pick for the Knicks, too.

He obviously needs to get stronger, but his size and length will compensate a bit for his lack of strength. Has a nice touch from outside, and he can help out as a shot blocker and pick up some steals.

Does not seem to be a great passer at this point- I assume that would be an issue in the offense we run, but he is still young.

It will be interesting to see if he has bulked up at all when he comes to the U.S. to work out for teams.

Porzingis looks frail and somewhat awkward. I cant see where he handles the ball much or where he uses the pass.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:they were a 100% right about shump, THJ, toney douglas..i like this kid a lot, i would take him over towns and oak, because we need a PG sooooooooooooo bad..the basketball gods know this

S.Mills made a comment last night that has me thinking more than i already was that we'll be trading the pick for veteran help. When talking about what they will do with the pick he said "we're gonna do whatever we need to do to help us win next year" I put it in quotes but i'm not sure if those were his exact words but i do know that he said "winning next year" which are the key words. Winning next year means to me that they don't want a rookie and that they want veterans that can help right away.

They did not schedule a Mudaiy workout nor did they even scout him. It might be the right move to take Mudaiy to have him in for two private workouts but this is 12 years running where we have blown a pick. Did anyone read that article where in 10 years our tier one draft slots have played 430 games out of a possible 8000+?

The problem--Jim Dolan only cares about filling the seats and winning 40 games. This is NOT a championship type business plan. This is get me good content for my cable TV show and to fill my seats. Did anyone just pay for the Mayweather fight--same F deal. He doesnt care he just wants to give someone a little something o take the money out of their pockets. Our chance was last night and now we are really scred.

I expect the 4 pick and Calderon to go bye bye in one trade and were going to use full cap to the till.

WaltLongmire wrote:I see Porzingis as a sleeper pick for the Knicks, too.

He obviously needs to get stronger, but his size and length will compensate a bit for his lack of strength. Has a nice touch from outside, and he can help out as a shot blocker and pick up some steals.

Does not seem to be a great passer at this point- I assume that would be an issue in the offense we run, but he is still young.

It will be interesting to see if he has bulked up at all when he comes to the U.S. to work out for teams.

I'm starting to warm to the idea of Porzingis too. If the Monroe rumors are true, Porzingas will fit because of his shot blocking and his ability to hit from deep. Monroe can battle the big bodies inside while Porzingis patrols the weak side. He can also play off of Monroe and Melo at the three point line. In time, I can see him developing into Kirilenko with a J. That said, I think our best move is too trade down and pick up an additional pick for this year or 2016.

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:they were a 100% right about shump, THJ, toney douglas..i like this kid a lot, i would take him over towns and oak, because we need a PG sooooooooooooo bad..the basketball gods know this

S.Mills made a comment last night that has me thinking more than i already was that we'll be trading the pick for veteran help. When talking about what they will do with the pick he said "we're gonna do whatever we need to do to help us win next year" I put it in quotes but i'm not sure if those were his exact words but i do know that he said "winning next year" which are the key words. Winning next year means to me that they don't want a rookie and that they want veterans that can help right away.

They did not schedule a Mudaiy workout nor did they even scout him. It might be the right move to take Mudaiy to have him in for two private workouts but this is 12 years running where we have blown a pick. Did anyone read that article where in 10 years our tier one draft slots have played 430 games out of a possible 8000+?

The problem--Jim Dolan only cares about filling the seats and winning 40 games. This is NOT a championship type business plan. This is get me good content for my cable TV show and to fill my seats. Did anyone just pay for the Mayweather fight--same F deal. He doesnt care he just wants to give someone a little something o take the money out of their pockets. Our chance was last night and now we are really scred.

I expect the 4 pick and Calderon to go bye bye in one trade and were going to use full cap to the till.

You sure do say a lot of ridiculous things all the time. Dolan absolutely cares about winning and has always opened up his wallet as far as it can be opened to give his GM's whatever cash needed to get the players they can to try to win. The problem has always been what the GM's have spent all that money on. You speak as if the scouting process is over which is far from the truth cause there's over a month left to bring kids in for workouts and interviews so Mudiay will be coming in for a workout/interview. The one part i agree with you on is that i also think we'll be trading the pick for pieces that can help us right away and what scares me most with Phil and Mills is exactly that....trading. These guys have no experience in the art of the trade when you have to stay strong with these other GM's to get the absolute best trade you can out of them and that's exactly what he didn't do with the JR Smith trade. If he waited it out longer and closer to the trade deadline he would of got a better deal for JR and Shump but he didn't wait, he jumped on the first team that offered anything for him and for that didn't get much back for them.

NewYork--if Jim Dolan cared about winning we'd have a 30-40 something GM like Sam Presti or picked up Danny Ferry on the cheap. Instead we have a first time GM Jackson a retread who only lost his first time out Mills and of course the coup de grate the man with the vision I Thomas.

We have the ABSOLUTE worst basketball management in the NBAS and we PAID the most for it. So here it is--you have Jackson who if he is even in the decision making--Im not sure is trading away all of our players Tyson Chandler Iman Shumpert JR Smith and we got the worst player of the deal in Calderon with the longest contract and a pick 54 in 2020. Is Dolan really trying to win? Just because you spend money doesnt mean you will win--check our last 15 years. We have THE DUMBEST owner in sports history Marge Schott would laugh at Dolan.

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:they were a 100% right about shump, THJ, toney douglas..i like this kid a lot, i would take him over towns and oak, because we need a PG sooooooooooooo bad..the basketball gods know this

S.Mills made a comment last night that has me thinking more than i already was that we'll be trading the pick for veteran help. When talking about what they will do with the pick he said "we're gonna do whatever we need to do to help us win next year" I put it in quotes but i'm not sure if those were his exact words but i do know that he said "winning next year" which are the key words. Winning next year means to me that they don't want a rookie and that they want veterans that can help right away.

They did not schedule a Mudaiy workout nor did they even scout him. It might be the right move to take Mudaiy to have him in for two private workouts but this is 12 years running where we have blown a pick. Did anyone read that article where in 10 years our tier one draft slots have played 430 games out of a possible 8000+?

The problem--Jim Dolan only cares about filling the seats and winning 40 games. This is NOT a championship type business plan. This is get me good content for my cable TV show and to fill my seats. Did anyone just pay for the Mayweather fight--same F deal. He doesnt care he just wants to give someone a little something o take the money out of their pockets. Our chance was last night and now we are really scred.

I expect the 4 pick and Calderon to go bye bye in one trade and were going to use full cap to the till.

You sure do say a lot of ridiculous things all the time. Dolan absolutely cares about winning and has always opened up his wallet as far as it can be opened to give his GM's whatever cash needed to get the players they can to try to win. The problem has always been what the GM's have spent all that money on. You speak as if the scouting process is over which is far from the truth cause there's over a month left to bring kids in for workouts and interviews so Mudiay will be coming in for a workout/interview. The one part i agree with you on is that i also think we'll be trading the pick for pieces that can help us right away and what scares me most with Phil and Mills is exactly that....trading. These guys have no experience in the art of the trade when you have to stay strong with these other GM's to get the absolute best trade you can out of them and that's exactly what he didn't do with the JR Smith trade. If he waited it out longer and closer to the trade deadline he would of got a better deal for JR and Shump but he didn't wait, he jumped on the first team that offered anything for him and for that didn't get much back for them.

NewYork--if Jim Dolan cared about winning we'd have a 30-40 something GM like Sam Presti or picked up Danny Ferry on the cheap. Instead we have a first time GM Jackson a retread who only lost his first time out Mills and of course the coup de grate the man with the vision I Thomas.

We have the ABSOLUTE worst basketball management in the NBAS and we PAID the most for it. So here it is--you have Jackson who if he is even in the decision making--Im not sure is trading away all of our players Tyson Chandler Iman Shumpert JR Smith and we got the worst player of the deal in Calderon with the longest contract and a pick 54 in 2020. Is Dolan really trying to win? Just because you spend money doesnt mean you will win--check our last 15 years. We have THE DUMBEST owner in sports history Marge Schott would laugh at Dolan.

newyorker4ever wrote:

franco12 wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's a good prospect. No ifs ands or butts. Ironically he's most people's 4th choice.

because nobody knows much about his so its easy to want him.

that is untrue... we might not know much about his individual skillset but I do know that he was the number one prospect for the incoming college class last year and Larry Brown said SMU would have won it all if he had played for him instead of went to China. I know Mudiay is no scrub

Larry Brown also said that he's never seen a point guard with more skills then Mudiay which coming from a man in L.Brown that's seen it all as a hall of fame NBA and College coach is pretty huge.

This is the same man who though Marbury & Stevie Francis could work. Just saying.

So you're saying you don't think Larry Brown knows talent?? LOL OK.