yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.

Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.

Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing

Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.

Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.

Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing

Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.

Phil has always tried to have a balance of skills on his teams. He always had 3pt shooting and big penetrating guards and wings. He always tried to have solid size on his teams as well. I think he'd love to pattern this team after his last Lakers teams.

1990-91 Bulls          1995-96 Bulls          1999-00 Lakers          2003-04 Lakers             2008-09 Lakers
Michael Jordan	 27    Michael Jordan	32    Shaquille O'Neal	27    Kobe Bryant	   25    Kobe Bryant	30
Scottie Pippen	 25    Scottie Pippen	30    Kobe Bryant	21    Shaquille O'Neal	   31    Pau Gasol	28
Horace Grant	 25    Dennis Rodman	34    Glen Rice	        32    Gary Payton	   35    Andrew Bynum	21
Bill Cartwright	 33    Luc Longley	27    Ron Harper	36    Karl Malone	   40    Lamar Odom	29
John Paxson	 30    Toni Kukoc	27    A.C. Green	36    Devean George	   26    Derek Fisher	34
B.J. Armstrong	 23    Ron Harper	32    Derek Fisher	25    Rick Fox	           34    Trevor Ariza	23
Stacey King	 24    Steve Kerr	30    Robert Horry	29    Derek Fisher	   29    Jordan Farmar	22
Will Perdue	 25    Bill Wennington	32    Tyronn Lue	22    Stanislav Medvedenko 24    Luke Walton	28
Cliff Levingston 30    Dickey Simpkins	23    Rick Fox	        30    Horace Grant	   38    Vladimir Radmanovic	28
Dennis Hopson	 25    John Salley	31    Brian Shaw	33    Kareem Rush	   23    Sasha Vujacic	24
Craig Hodges	 30    Jud Buechler	27    John Celestand	22    Bryon Russell	   33    Josh Powell	26
Scott Williams	 22    Randy Brown	27    Devean George	22    Jamal Sampson	   20    Didier Ilunga-Mbenga	28
                       James Edwards	40    John Salley	35    Brian Cook	   23    Shannon Brown	23
                       Jason Caffey	22    Travis Knight	25    Maurice Carter	   27    Chris Mihm	29
                       Jack Haley	32    Sam Jacobson	24    Ime Udoka	           26    Adam Morrison	24

Knixkik wrote:As far as the triangle is concerned, both top PGs are great fits because of their size and skill.

I don't see any problem at all with any of Towns, OK4, Russell or Mudiay fitting in the triangle and would be happy with any of those 4 being our pick and would also be happy with J.Winslow or K.Porzingis. So I'm not as worried as most on here about ending up with the 5th pick cause even though I haven't heard any rumors of the Knicks looking at him my favorite player in this draft after Towns is K.Porzingis. Nobody on here talks about him for some reason but he's gonna end up being the steal of this draft. If we do end up with the 5th pick and we don't trade down and the suspected top 4 are the first 4 picked then I'm pretty sure the pick will be J.Winslow and I even think that Phil could shock us and draft Winslow at 3 or 4.

nixluva wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Imo, the great thing about Russell is that you can use him like Kobe or Jordan because of his size, length, scoring, and shooting abilities. Jordan, Pippen, Kobe, were also throwing dimes too. Positions are suppose to be interchangeable in the triangle.

Also, Russell is a pretty good on ball defender and plays the passing lane well he just needs someone to hold him accountable.

Ad for Mudiay, a john Wall/Tyreke Evans would be suffocated in the triangle because of the player's inability to space the floor. Fundamentally, the triangle is about spacing

Spacing is important i agree, but Phil emphasized the importance of penetration first and foremost. Let's be honest, when chicago had Jordan, Pippen, Harper, Rodman, etc, none of them were great 3-point shooters. I would prefer a shooter, which is why i rate Russell slightly higher than Mudiay, but i can see based on Phil's want of penetration and defensive potential, him preferring Mudiay at the 3rd or 4th spot.

True but Russell gives you that too. You don't have to be an extreme athlete to be an effective penetrator just look at Curry, CP, Nash, Harden, or even in previous years Lance Stephenson. Great handling, the ability to change spreads, and a good hesitation dribble will be just as affective.

Also, hopefully Phil is not so dogmatic in his approach that he can't see how to mold his system with today's game.

Obviously Phil doesn't have a problem with a combo guard like Russell. He basically had a lesser version in Shved. They allowed Shved to run the 2 man game on the weak side which is probably how he'd use Russell. The reason being that's where all the space is to Shoot the 3, give and go, PnR, Drive etc. The strong side Triangle is overloaded on purpose. The other side is where Jordan, Kobe, Melo operate. Russell would be in the same kind of situation if in NY.

Never gain mention shved and and Russell together