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Frank Kaminsky down to 17 on draft net update last night
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5/18/2015  8:44 PM
NumberTwoPencil wrote:I'd say Kaminsky is definitely worth a pick that low. I'm not sure he's going to be able to contribute right away and I'm not sure his upside is much more than vary good rotation player but I like his game, he seems to work hard, and he's been getting better. Totally worth a pick in the 15 to 20 range.

I personally think its going to be very hard to guard Kaminsky at 7-1. I dont like that he is 231 from 240 as that limits ability to play 5 but again I say why cant Frank be the next Dirk as a face 4?

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5/18/2015  9:15 PM
Draftnet hadn't updated their mock since 4/29. They have Mudiay going third ahead of Russell and Porzingis going 5th. Fraschilla said Porzingis might go #1 in some drafts.
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5/18/2015  9:27 PM
am i invisible or something? lol. am i the only one concerned or at least curious that kaminsky dropped down to #17
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5/18/2015  9:38 PM
callmened wrote:am i invisible or something? lol. am i the only one concerned or at least curious that kaminsky dropped down to #17

No. I just don't know if anyone has an answer. Draftnet has a lot of changes from its last mock. Decker moved quite a bit.
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5/18/2015  9:42 PM
gotcha ok. lol. are you concerned? people were hyping up Kaminsky and now he has fallen so much. I like kaminsky i just never thought of him as a franchise player. but to drop out of the lottery range is concerning.
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5/18/2015  9:46 PM
callmened wrote:does ANYONE know why kaminsky dropped so far in one week? thats a concern ..no?

T-Rex arms and a Giraffe neck if you search UK posts and threads for reasons.

He was also foolish enough to stay in college 4 years and actually graduate on time, a sure sigh of a lack of ability, especially considering that he was not a highly recruited player coming out of HS.


At this rate if he continues to drop we might just be able to pick him up when we sign our UFAs.

He's more likely to be a top 5 pick than slip to #17, IMO.

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callmened wrote:gotcha ok. lol. are you concerned? people were hyping up Kaminsky and now he has fallen so much. I like kaminsky i just never thought of him as a franchise player. but to drop out of the lottery range is concerning.

He is a topic on the draft net forums also. No news. On a side note draftnet forums have a lot of info and guys post insider articles there.
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5/18/2015  10:01 PM
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callmened wrote:does ANYONE know why kaminsky dropped so far in one week? thats a concern ..no?

T-Rex arms and a Giraffe neck if you search UK posts and threads for reasons.

He was also foolish enough to stay in college 4 years and actually graduate on time, a sure sigh of a lack of ability, especially considering that he was not a highly recruited player coming out of HS.


At this rate if he continues to drop we might just be able to pick him up when we sign our UFAs.

He's more likely to be a top 5 pick than slip to #17, IMO.

Walt would you take Frank at pick #4 if Russell Okafor and Towns are gone? Ive come to the conclusion that Id take Russell 3rd and either keep him or hold him for massive compensation. I cant reach over him--no way. After Rusell Im not sure what I would do yet.

I think Im

1 Towns
2 Okafor
3 Russell

Im not sure at this point--I lean Kaminsky 4 but I also dont want to snatch him to high where I could grab additional assets. I have to0 see what is up. Depending on what i can find out about other team needs I might even take a chance at taking Russell 2--I would have to know that a team would really want to give a LOT. I hope were not 4 and below--but it could happen.

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5/18/2015  10:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/18/2015  11:22 PM
neptunez24 wrote:Carroll is a good player but does anyone really think he is worth 10+ mill per year????

he is essentially a very good role player...

we need to use the money wore wisely...

either on a PG or Center... which ever one we don't draft with our top pick...

I'm with you on Carroll, Nep. He's a very good role player but I don't think he's worth $12mm. You know what, he probably is worth that amount--I just don't want to spend that kind of money on him. This guy was basically a DL player not too long ago that has finally come into his own. He deserves credit -- he's played well and deserves the attention and a raise...Thing is, there are a ton of guys like that out there...Let's see if we can uncover a few different players that equate to Carroll while at the same time filling out the roster with some quality young depth while saving a boatload of $$ we can divert elsewhere. For example -- if we view Carroll as a 2-3-4 hybrid (I agree with that btw) instead of giving Carroll $12mm, let's go get a couple of different players on the cheap that would equal or surpass Carroll -- go get me 2G Scotty Hopson (a skilled 6'7" 2/3 that's a better all-around player than Hardaway--not even close; SF Eric Griffin--an athletic/skilled defensive stopper-type that can also score a variety of diff. ways (I like Thanasis but this guy Griffin's even better--I think Griffin's better than Cleanthony Early too) and PFs Jerrelle Benimon (gifted all-around player at 6'8" 245) and/or Khem Birch (adept shot-blocker/offensive rebounder that looks fluid and fundamentally sound around the basket). We could get all of these players for $2mm maybe even less not to mention restock almost a 1/4 of the roster -- and with QUALITY components here, all 4 guys. We would have everything Carroll does covered with these 4 and then some...

Having said that -- Carroll is a good player and I'm sure in the Knicks' eyes, a much safer investment over 4 relatively unknowns. Not to mention I'd like to see the young man get paid -- he's earned it...I'd just rather go with the 4 unknowns and keep $10-11mm available for other moves. I've seen these guys play and they're all legit. A couple of other minor things that concern me about Carroll -- he's gonna be 29 this summer (not a big deal, he's in his prime, I'd just prefer a younger, more salary-controlled choice(s)) and I believe he has a liver condition where he may need a transplant at some point. Hopefully he lives a long life and that day never comes but I'd hate to sign him to a 5-yr deal and in year 1, 2 or 3, he has to deal with that unfortunate situation. I've read that doctor's have assured him that he won't have to deal with this for 20-25 years but it's still a bit of a red flag... Bottom line on Carroll--he was in the same exact boat as these other guys not too long ago--a DL-level player that was fighting to get noticed and make it in the NBA. I'd like to see Phil and the Knicks get creative and find their own DeMarre Carroll somewhere. I think they could.

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5/19/2015  12:36 AM
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WaltLongmire wrote:
callmened wrote:does ANYONE know why kaminsky dropped so far in one week? thats a concern ..no?

T-Rex arms and a Giraffe neck if you search UK posts and threads for reasons.

He was also foolish enough to stay in college 4 years and actually graduate on time, a sure sigh of a lack of ability, especially considering that he was not a highly recruited player coming out of HS.


At this rate if he continues to drop we might just be able to pick him up when we sign our UFAs.

He's more likely to be a top 5 pick than slip to #17, IMO.

Walt would you take Frank at pick #4 if Russell Okafor and Towns are gone? Ive come to the conclusion that Id take Russell 3rd and either keep him or hold him for massive compensation. I cant reach over him--no way. After Rusell Im not sure what I would do yet.

I think Im

1 Towns
2 Okafor
3 Russell

Im not sure at this point--I lean Kaminsky 4 but I also dont want to snatch him to high where I could grab additional assets. I have to0 see what is up. Depending on what i can find out about other team needs I might even take a chance at taking Russell 2--I would have to know that a team would really want to give a LOT. I hope were not 4 and below--but it could happen.

I like Kaminsky.

Have to trust Phil and Fisher on this. I think Kaminsky can really enhance his draft position in team workouts, because unlike most players in this draft, anything good coming out of his workouts is then added to the great success he had in the NCAA tournament.

He's shown steady improvement as a player in his 4 years as a Badger, and you get the sense that he will continue to improve.

I see him going between 4-8, unless something really goes wrong in his workouts.

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5/19/2015  1:15 AM    LAST EDITED: 5/19/2015  1:36 AM
Finestrg wrote:
neptunez24 wrote:Carroll is a good player but does anyone really think he is worth 10+ mill per year????

he is essentially a very good role player...

we need to use the money wore wisely...

either on a PG or Center... which ever one we don't draft with our top pick...

I'm with you on Carroll, Nep. He's a very good role player but I don't think he's worth $12mm. You know what, he probably is worth that amount--I just don't want to spend that kind of money on him. This guy was basically a DL player not too long ago that has finally come into his own. He deserves credit -- he's played well and deserves the attention and a raise...Thing is, there are a ton of guys like that out there...Let's see if we can uncover a few different players that equate to Carroll while at the same time filling out the roster with some quality young depth while saving a boatload of $$ we can divert elsewhere. For example -- if we view Carroll as a 2-3-4 hybrid (I agree with that btw) instead of giving Carroll $12mm, let's go get a couple of different players on the cheap that would equal or surpass Carroll -- go get me 2G Scotty Hopson (a skilled 6'7" 2/3 that's a better all-around player than Hardaway--not even close; SF Eric Griffin--an athletic/skilled defensive stopper-type that can also score a variety of diff. ways (I like Thanasis but this guy Griffin's even better--I think Griffin's better than Cleanthony Early too) and PFs Jerrelle Benimon (gifted all-around player at 6'8" 245) and/or Khem Birch (adept shot-blocker/offensive rebounder that looks fluid and fundamentally sound around the basket). We could get all of these players for $2mm maybe even less not to mention restock almost a 1/4 of the roster -- and with QUALITY components here, all 4 guys. We would have everything Carroll does covered with these 4 and then some...

Having said that -- Carroll is a good player and I'm sure in the Knicks' eyes, a much safer investment over 4 relatively unknowns. Not to mention I'd like to see the young man get paid -- he's earned it...I'd just rather go with the 4 unknowns and keep $10-11mm available for other moves. I've seen these guys play and they're all legit. A couple of other minor things that concern me about Carroll -- he's gonna be 29 this summer (not a big deal, he's in his prime, I'd just prefer a younger, more salary-controlled choice(s)) and I believe he has a liver condition where he may need a transplant at some point. Hopefully he lives a long life and that day never comes but I'd hate to sign him to a 5-yr deal and in year 1, 2 or 3, he has to deal with that unfortunate situation. I've read that doctor's have assured him that he won't have to deal with this for 20-25 years but it's still a bit of a red flag... Bottom line on Carroll--he was in the same exact boat as these other guys not too long ago--a DL-level player that was fighting to get noticed and make it in the NBA. I'd like to see Phil and the Knicks get creative and find their own DeMarre Carroll somewhere. I think they could.

Fine--Im in agreement that we need to have "salaried controlled" players as a platform for using positions 12-15(maybe right now the Knicks should be at 11)for players to play up from the D league or the 2nd round etc like Galloway did.. I heard Doc Rivers saying the Clippers were going to do that to add depth today. That being said there also has to be some players who are "known NBA skilled quantities" leaders with high character and I happen to think in today's NBA a player like Demarre Carroll who has a mixture of some of the max players--some drey green some danny green with additional driving skills who can play multiple positions(right I mean Carroll and Korver who is the 2 and who is the 3? and weve seen carroll play the 4. Now add in his jump in play his 3 point shooting his age---prime time I just think that his all around game hes lifting his game to better heights than what his final season stats say and hes just a winner a guy who has earned a big pay and if we are going to have Carmelo here he needs a guy like carrol--who can just do many more things than a Danny Green--then we have to say how much--well were going to have to pay up a bit we ve got a LOT of competition none more so than his own team.

So far through the first two rds Green has scored 20 or more 7 times has had 8 or more rebounds 6 times and has had 4 or more assists in a game 4 times with very good D and his efg is near 60%. He avg 17-7-2.5 53% through 13 games--thats a really good player there an impact playoff guy. Thats a Scottie Pippen to Carmelo type.

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5/19/2015  3:05 AM
callmened wrote:does ANYONE know why kaminsky dropped so far in one week? thats a concern ..no?

Like I said earlier- at this point the mocks are changed based on the combine results. Combine results are based on athleticism and measurements. Kaminsky has a short wingspan for his height, and we all knew he wasn't athletic. Players who measure better than expected and test better than expected rise in the mock draft at this point. However over the coming weeks, teams have individual workouts, and Kaminsky will likely shine in these and rise in the draft again.

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5/19/2015  3:10 AM
thanks dog! i got it
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5/19/2015  8:05 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
callmened wrote:does ANYONE know why kaminsky dropped so far in one week? thats a concern ..no?

T-Rex arms and a Giraffe neck if you search UK posts and threads for reasons.

He was also foolish enough to stay in college 4 years and actually graduate on time, a sure sigh of a lack of ability, especially considering that he was not a highly recruited player coming out of HS.


At this rate if he continues to drop we might just be able to pick him up when we sign our UFAs.

He's more likely to be a top 5 pick than slip to #17, IMO.

Walt would you take Frank at pick #4 if Russell Okafor and Towns are gone? Ive come to the conclusion that Id take Russell 3rd and either keep him or hold him for massive compensation. I cant reach over him--no way. After Rusell Im not sure what I would do yet.

I think Im

1 Towns
2 Okafor
3 Russell

Im not sure at this point--I lean Kaminsky 4 but I also dont want to snatch him to high where I could grab additional assets. I have to0 see what is up. Depending on what i can find out about other team needs I might even take a chance at taking Russell 2--I would have to know that a team would really want to give a LOT. I hope were not 4 and below--but it could happen.


If we pick 4 I hope we can trade down
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5/19/2015  8:22 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
WaltLongmire wrote:
callmened wrote:does ANYONE know why kaminsky dropped so far in one week? thats a concern ..no?

T-Rex arms and a Giraffe neck if you search UK posts and threads for reasons.

He was also foolish enough to stay in college 4 years and actually graduate on time, a sure sigh of a lack of ability, especially considering that he was not a highly recruited player coming out of HS.


At this rate if he continues to drop we might just be able to pick him up when we sign our UFAs.

He's more likely to be a top 5 pick than slip to #17, IMO.

Walt would you take Frank at pick #4 if Russell Okafor and Towns are gone? Ive come to the conclusion that Id take Russell 3rd and either keep him or hold him for massive compensation. I cant reach over him--no way. After Rusell Im not sure what I would do yet.

I think Im

1 Towns
2 Okafor
3 Russell

Im not sure at this point--I lean Kaminsky 4 but I also dont want to snatch him to high where I could grab additional assets. I have to0 see what is up. Depending on what i can find out about other team needs I might even take a chance at taking Russell 2--I would have to know that a team would really want to give a LOT. I hope were not 4 and below--but it could happen.

I like Kaminsky BUT taking him at 4 is major reach IMO. MY top 2 picks are Towns or Russell but if the are off the board Mudiay would probably be the most impact player available
Frank Kaminsky down to 17 on draft net update last night

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