Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.

Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.

not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking **** to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.

Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.

thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.

Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.

top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?

When Melo teamed up with Billups, they went to the conference finals...When Melo teamed with a bunch of role players, stiffs and past their prime players, his teams did not advance...I believe this was the point that NYK was making. The one time Melo played with a top 5 MVP candidate, they advanced as far they could before losing to the better team....

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.

Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.

not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking **** to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.

Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.

thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.

Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.

top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?

When Melo teamed up with Billups, they went to the conference finals...When Melo teamed with a bunch of role players, stiffs and past their prime players, his teams did not advance...I believe this was the point that NYK was making. The one time Melo played with a top 5 MVP candidate, they advanced as far they could before losing to the better team....

the nba needs to change the playoff format so we don't see teams with better records being punished. the blazers get the 4th seed in a weak division and have a worse record than both the spurs and the clippers. ridiculous.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:the clippers had to play the spurs 7 games in the first round as a result of the stupid seeding system the nba uses. they looked exhausted out there. houston only played 5 games and were the less-talented but more rested team.

the nba needs to change the playoff format so we don't see teams with better records being punished. the blazers get the 4th seed in a weak division and have a worse record than both the spurs and the clippers. ridiculous.

U are making excuses..They were tentative and seemed afraid of the moment..Playofss are different because it requires internal strength..Clipper lack heart..

then i guess you missed the clippers entire first round where they dethroned the champions and grew as a team. they were gassed.

ironically, the last time the western conference had a similarly ridiculous format was in 2006 when the nuggets with melo won only 44 games but were seeded 3rd for the playoffs where they were stomped into oblivion in the first round.

He is a 2 way player pretty much in conversation of top 2-3 PGs in the league ever since he was drafted and healthy.

It's not his fault that other than Blake Griffin and himself, no one else showed up to play for the last 60 mins going back to beginning of 4th quarter in game 6 against rockets.

The coach decided the speed of the play should be slow with very few turnovers.... that's not the Clippers game!!!
That's not how they beat the Spurs. They beat the Spurs playing a "fast and furious" style of bball missing in Games 5,6,7 of this series.

That's not Chris Paul's fault... that is the coach's fault.
The fact that Doc Rivers has been in more game 7's than any other coach in the league is not a testament to his brilliance.

That's a testament to his failure to coach his team to close out opponents when they have the chance. It's not like this problem exists with only this team that he has coached... it has existed with all other teams that he has coached.... that's not a coincidence.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:the clippers had to play the spurs 7 games in the first round as a result of the stupid seeding system the nba uses. they looked exhausted out there. houston only played 5 games and were the less-talented but more rested team.

the nba needs to change the playoff format so we don't see teams with better records being punished. the blazers get the 4th seed in a weak division and have a worse record than both the spurs and the clippers. ridiculous.

U are making excuses..They were tentative and seemed afraid of the moment..Playofss are different because it requires internal strength..Clipper lack heart..

then i guess you missed the clippers entire first round where they dethroned the champions and grew as a team. they were gassed.

ironically, the last time the western conference had a similarly ridiculous format was in 2006 when the nuggets with melo won only 44 games but were seeded 3rd for the playoffs where they were stomped into oblivion in the first round.

I like that ..They were gassed..Is that another way of saying not in shape??.I know u aren't going there..

conditioning or lack thereof has to be considered. however, we can look at it another way: the clippers achilles heel was their lack of bench depth and that is plain to see from the way they played. and, again, jamal crawford should not be playing big minutes in a seventh game and be taking 18 shots. he is the epitome of empty calories and negative-sum play.

so maybe it wasn't merely lack of conditioning but sheer exhaustion from starters logging too many minutes.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.

Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.

not really trying to defend melo at all but... when has melo ever played with a guy like blake griffin or deandre jordan? all of pauls b-ball iq isn't enough to lead those guys further than the 2nd round of the playoffs? not to mention guys like reddick, barnes, crawford aren't even close to the kind of guys melo has ever played with. i think paul takes a HUGE hit this year with this loss, the clippers were/are arguably the 2nd best team in the west and they bow out early. instead of talking **** to dwight howard (who i hate) paul should have been more concerned with preserving a 16pt 4th guarter game 6 lead.

Melo's had a lot of all-stars and even Olympians over the years. I bet Iverson and maybe even Billups have a better shot at being in the HOF than Griffin and Jordan will. Billups was even a top 5 MVP candidate playing with Melo.

thanks for the breaking news bonn. you despise iverson, so giving him as an example isn't really saying much. billups fine, he played well in denver. but to say billups and iverson (as they were late in their careers) equate to what griffin and jordan are, is quite silly.

Yeah nothing he has ever had competes with blake. Blake looked like an MVP when Paul was out in the playoffs. Melo never had someone who could take over at that level.

top 5 MVP candidate and NBA finals MVP doesn't count?
Iverson was not capable of taking games over on a level of Blake Griffin? Really?

When Melo teamed up with Billups, they went to the conference finals...When Melo teamed with a bunch of role players, stiffs and past their prime players, his teams did not advance...I believe this was the point that NYK was making. The one time Melo played with a top 5 MVP candidate, they advanced as far they could before losing to the better team....

That is a sensible point but he actually said that MVP candidate was inferior to Deandre Jordan and Blake Griffin.

Billups was everything you said he was, but in his early 30s, was not comparable to what Blake is now. Iverson can't even count. You are talking about guys after their primes. That being said, the year Melo had a high caliber supporting cast, they went to the WCF.

LivingLegend wrote:Guys can play well and lead their team but still lose - I think that applies to Paul.

Melo on the other hand doesn't lead, pass or defend like Paul and in terms of B-Ball IQ Paul dwarfs Melo.

My bad.

Here endeth the lesson.

Most likely after the resign Deandre Jordan (to a big contract), they will only have the $3 mill mid level exception to improve their team. So basically they cant improve their team.
PG CP3 - excellent yr but approaching 30
SG JJ Redick - greater shooter who got tired defending Harden
SF Barnes - old
PF Griffin - in his prime; is this it though?
C Jordan - in his prime
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PG/SG Rivers - not good
SG Crawford - was always overrated but now approaching age 35
SF Turkaglu - surprised hes still in the league
PF Baby Davis - cant jump or score
C Spencer Hawes - paper soft big man

callmened wrote:Doc the GM should be fired. Here were his recent acquisitions to improve his team: Jordan Farmar, Byron Mullins, Stephen Jackson, Chris Douglas Roberts, Spencer Hawes, Glen Davis, Hedu Turkaglu, Jordan Hamilton, Nate Robinson and Austin Rivers.

Most likely after the resign Deandre Jordan (to a big contract), they will only have the $3 mill mid level exception to improve their team. So basically they cant improve their team.
PG CP3 - excellent yr but approaching 30
SG JJ Redick - greater shooter who got tired defending Harden
SF Barnes - old
PF Griffin - in his prime; is this it though?
C Jordan - in his prime
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PG/SG Rivers - not good
SG Crawford - was always overrated but now approaching age 35
SF Turkaglu - surprised hes still in the league
PF Baby Davis - cant jump or score
C Spencer Hawes - paper soft big man

He is a bad Gm, if only they had a pick they could take thjr and calderon. lol. Those 2 for Crawford(team option next yr), future pick, & filler would be sweet. Knicks could cut Crawford and the filler to free up more room.

gunsnewing wrote:How about we forget CP3 and discuss why all of Hess ex-Knicks are succeeding without $24mil per Carmelo Anthony?

its all mike woodsons fault ... I mean MDA ... I mean Tyson .... uh Amare ....

its gotta be Dolan!