mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:as much as I love JVG, every time he ran his mouth when he coach he Phil owned him. straight up owned him. JVG probably can't get over that

To be fair Phil does say a lot of dumb things especially on twitter. I kinda wish he would just stop doing that and just focus on turning the Knicks around

He is entitled to his opinion and tweet what he likes- it's not really fair if the media and fans can ridicule and attack him 24/7 but he's not allowed to say anything.

why isn't it fair?

You tweet, you are fair game

I'm talking about people who say he shouldn't tweet- I have no problem with people saying what he tweets is a load of crap

At least Phil has had a top 5 offense multiple times. He can at least make an honest claim about his knowledge of offensive basketball.

Phil Jackson                                Jeff Van Gundy
1996-97 Bulls  Off Rtg: 114.4 (1st of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 104.4 (25th of 29)
1997-98 Bulls  Off Rtg: 107.7 (9th of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 103.0 (20th of 29)
1989-99                                     Knicks Off Rtg: 98.6 (26th of 29)
1999-00 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.3 (5th of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 102.5 (21st of 29) 
2000-01 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (2nd of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 101.2 (19th of 29)
2001-02 Lakers Off Rtg: 109.4 (2nd of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 101.5 (25th of 29)  Only coached 19 games
2002-03 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.2 (4th of 29)  
2003-04 Lakers Off Rtg: 105.5 (6th of 29)   Rockets Off Rtg: 100.9 (24th of 29)
2004-05 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.1 (7th of 30)   Rockets Off Rtg: 106.2 (15th of 30)
2005-06 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (8th of 30)   Rockets Off Rtg: 101.6 (29th of 30)
2006-07 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.6 (7th of 30)   Rockets Off Rtg: 106.0 (15th of 30)
2007-08 Lakers Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)
2008-09 Lakers Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)
2009-10 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30)
2010-11 Lakers Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)

nixluva wrote:Phil put himself out there and when you do there's the risk you'll get burned. Thing is that Phil is in the game and JVG isn't. JVG could be in the mix and taking the heat if he wanted to. He's not, so IMO his words don't mean much. You wanna prove you know what it takes to win, then put your name in the hat and run a team. Phil has nothing to be ashamed of. Who is really able to talk ISH to Phil when he's won so much and very few men can hold up their own Ring? He's proven his own point multiple times so really it doesn't mean much coming from men who haven't reached the mountain top.

At least Phil has had a top 5 offense multiple times. He can at least make an honest claim about his knowledge of offensive basketball.

Phil Jackson                                Jeff Van Gundy
1996-97 Bulls  Off Rtg: 114.4 (1st of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 104.4 (25th of 29)
1997-98 Bulls  Off Rtg: 107.7 (9th of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 103.0 (20th of 29)
1989-99                                     Knicks Off Rtg: 98.6 (26th of 29)
1999-00 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.3 (5th of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 102.5 (21st of 29) 
2000-01 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (2nd of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 101.2 (19th of 29)
2001-02 Lakers Off Rtg: 109.4 (2nd of 29)   Knicks Off Rtg: 101.5 (25th of 29)  Only coached 19 games
2002-03 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.2 (4th of 29)  
2003-04 Lakers Off Rtg: 105.5 (6th of 29)   Rockets Off Rtg: 100.9 (24th of 29)
2004-05 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.1 (7th of 30)   Rockets Off Rtg: 106.2 (15th of 30)
2005-06 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (8th of 30)   Rockets Off Rtg: 101.6 (29th of 30)
2006-07 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.6 (7th of 30)   Rockets Off Rtg: 106.0 (15th of 30)
2007-08 Lakers Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)
2008-09 Lakers Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)
2009-10 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30)
2010-11 Lakers Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)

can you post Rileys offensive rating with the knicks (for context)

smackeddog wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:Says the man with no head coaching or GM job and no Championships. What does JVG know about offense anyways.

the guy took a pretty sh1tty team to the finals.

JVG is awesome ... lets not sh1t on him because he touched a nerve.

True, but it is still a legitimate question. What does JVG know about offense?

more than all of us.

And he knows that you would look like a loser texting about not relying on the three while all the top three shooting teams advanced.

I love JVG and I love his real person honesty.

Listening to him call games, you realize how much he knows. This was the same when Kerr used to call the games. Lots of great insight.

I love JVG, but his offensive schemes made Mike Woodson look like early Don Nelson. The offense was brutal when he was here and things didn't change much in Houston. That said, I'll always respect JVG and I understand he and Phil have been going at it for a while. The "Big Chief Triangle" statement is an example. I don't read much into it, either way.

Ha, yep, I remember the JVG offense- he had to be dragged kicking and screaming to adopt a fast pace with Spree and Camby. He is my favourite commentator though.

This whole 3pt thing is a red herring- these playoffs have shown you can have success with all different kinds of teams, and that success in the playoffs depends a lot on teams and players heart and execution- same as it's always been. Talent levels too- take Harden off the Rockets, take Thompson or Curry off the Warriors and they simply don't win as much regardless of their system.

At the end of the playoffs the teams reliant on 3pt shooting who came up short will go into the offseason determined to get a post scorer, and the poorer 3pt shooting teams will try to get better 3pt shooters. Same as it's always been.

GSW fired mark jackson, and a lot of people wondered why, Kerr made mark Jack look incompetent and close minded. It's not just talent, you need a real coach.

Phil continues to baffled the sht out me with his pointless tweets. Just fckng do your job and quit judging other successful teams. What you need to do, is follow in there foot steps

smackeddog wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Phil is hardly the only NBA coach/GM/pro who has mentioned "live by the three, die by the three" as an axiom. The guard-focused NBA of today relies heavily on the three. Every new success will be greeted in subsequent seasons with new tactics to thwart them (e.g., playing perimeter defense) and then things will swing back inside.

Perhaps Phil, recognizing this, is preparing the Knicks to be ready for that eventual shift. For now, we certainly need a few 40-45% three point shooters to spread our offense and keep us in games.

To be fair, what Phil is saying isn't revolutionary. He has already acknowledged that more 3s are shot nowadays, and so will likely incorporate that a little more into the team. What he is arguing against is the team just being built on 3pt shooting (and the thing is the teams he was criticising are also excellent defensively)- he likes a his teams being able to score in a variety of ways and I have no problem with that- look at Kyle Korver, marx man extradinaire in the regular season and completely neutralised in the playoffs. In the playoffs you have to be able to do more than shoot 3s- everyone already knows this. These playoffs have shown that teams not reliant on 3s can also prosper too.

Heard a good comment that teams rarely practice defensive schemes for a particular opponent until they get into the playoffs.
Korver is not getting the looks teams would normally give him because they are not shifing off him.

More tmes than not, teams die by the three vs others in the playoffs. GS has one of the best shooting back courts in recent history and they are playing to that strength.
I think phil was alluding to "over reliance".

Phil is not afraid of being wrong. Its seporates the men from the boys.

Nalod wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Phil is hardly the only NBA coach/GM/pro who has mentioned "live by the three, die by the three" as an axiom. The guard-focused NBA of today relies heavily on the three. Every new success will be greeted in subsequent seasons with new tactics to thwart them (e.g., playing perimeter defense) and then things will swing back inside.

Perhaps Phil, recognizing this, is preparing the Knicks to be ready for that eventual shift. For now, we certainly need a few 40-45% three point shooters to spread our offense and keep us in games.

To be fair, what Phil is saying isn't revolutionary. He has already acknowledged that more 3s are shot nowadays, and so will likely incorporate that a little more into the team. What he is arguing against is the team just being built on 3pt shooting (and the thing is the teams he was criticising are also excellent defensively)- he likes a his teams being able to score in a variety of ways and I have no problem with that- look at Kyle Korver, marx man extradinaire in the regular season and completely neutralised in the playoffs. In the playoffs you have to be able to do more than shoot 3s- everyone already knows this. These playoffs have shown that teams not reliant on 3s can also prosper too.

Heard a good comment that teams rarely practice defensive schemes for a particular opponent until they get into the playoffs.
Korver is not getting the looks teams would normally give him because they are not shifing off him.

More tmes than not, teams die by the three vs others in the playoffs. GS has one of the best shooting back courts in recent history and they are playing to that strength.
I think phil was alluding to "over reliance".

Phil is not afraid of being wrong. Its seporates the men from the boys.

I think the real argument is:

what is better to rely on, an 18 footer or a 3 pointer?

Phil seems to want to rely on 18-20 footers while the teams left would rather rely on threes and remove the inefficient long 2.

Teams that rely on lots of three's also heavily rely on shots at the rim.

While its true that Korver is being chased and blanketed all over the floor, he is also helping spread the offense though he is having a bit of a Steve Novak effect since he can't create too much. He has also been forcing too many shots.

Atlanta is a good enough team to not need to rely on Korver.

Nalod, phil will have a chance to prove himself for one more year but it is possible that he can be wrong.

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Phil is hardly the only NBA coach/GM/pro who has mentioned "live by the three, die by the three" as an axiom. The guard-focused NBA of today relies heavily on the three. Every new success will be greeted in subsequent seasons with new tactics to thwart them (e.g., playing perimeter defense) and then things will swing back inside.

Perhaps Phil, recognizing this, is preparing the Knicks to be ready for that eventual shift. For now, we certainly need a few 40-45% three point shooters to spread our offense and keep us in games.

To be fair, what Phil is saying isn't revolutionary. He has already acknowledged that more 3s are shot nowadays, and so will likely incorporate that a little more into the team. What he is arguing against is the team just being built on 3pt shooting (and the thing is the teams he was criticising are also excellent defensively)- he likes a his teams being able to score in a variety of ways and I have no problem with that- look at Kyle Korver, marx man extradinaire in the regular season and completely neutralised in the playoffs. In the playoffs you have to be able to do more than shoot 3s- everyone already knows this. These playoffs have shown that teams not reliant on 3s can also prosper too.

nobody relies on just the 3.

you need lots of shots at the basket and lots of 3's.

minimize the shots in the middle.

Phil loves that long 2 and its a terrible shot

Cut the BULL. Phil has had very efficient offenses as I just freaking posted. This trope about Long 2's is just way overstated. Some of Phil's best offenses would be equally dynamic today! You either have an efficient offense or you don't!!! You wanted me to add Pat Riley.

Phil Jackson                                Pat Riley                            Jeff Van Gundy
1996-97 Bulls  Off Rtg: 114.4 (1st of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 106.8 (12th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 104.4 (25th of 29)
1997-98 Bulls  Off Rtg: 107.7 (9th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 107.6 (10th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 103.0 (20th of 29)
1989-99                                     Miami Off Rtg: 104.7 (9th of 29)     Knicks Off Rtg: 98.6  (26th of 29)
1999-00 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.3 (5th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 104.5 (17th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 102.5 (21st of 29) 
2000-01 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (2nd of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 101.1 (20th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 101.2 (19th of 29)
2001-02 Lakers Off Rtg: 109.4 (2nd of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 98.5  (27th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 101.5 (25th of 29)  Only coached 19 games
2002-03 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.2 (4th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 96.7  (27th of 29)
2003-04 Lakers Off Rtg: 105.5 (6th of 29)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 100.9 (24th of 29)
2004-05 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.1 (7th of 30)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 106.2 (15th of 30)
2005-06 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (8th of 30)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 101.6 (29th of 30)
2006-07 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.6 (7th of 30)   Miami Off Rtg: 104.3 (24th of 30)    Rockets Off Rtg: 106.0 (15th of 30)
2007-08 Lakers Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)   Miami Off Rtg: 100.5 (30th of 30)
2008-09 Lakers Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)   
2009-10 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30)
2010-11 Lakers Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)

wierd LOL

Chill out!

where is pat riley's off rtg with the Knicks?

And, we know that Phil had great offenses ... and of course they were among the top. You do know who played for him right?

Lets see how Phil does with building it from scratch ... so far, FAIL!!!!!!!!

I'm not gonna chill cuz what you're saying makes no sense. Either you run an offense that is efficient or you don't. It's always necessary to have good players so that alone isn't really the issue. Phil has every intention of building a good team and as long as he gets good players there's no reason to assume the offense will be a detriment to success as you keep implying. The Triangle hasn't proven to really hold his teams back so what exactly is your argument?

Phil hasn't really had a full chance to build up this team and you knew that this season wasn't going to be his best shot at that. Bashing him over this one season is stupid. Let's see how things work out tomorrow night and then take it from there. Hopefully we get some great luck in the lottery.

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Phil is hardly the only NBA coach/GM/pro who has mentioned "live by the three, die by the three" as an axiom. The guard-focused NBA of today relies heavily on the three. Every new success will be greeted in subsequent seasons with new tactics to thwart them (e.g., playing perimeter defense) and then things will swing back inside.

Perhaps Phil, recognizing this, is preparing the Knicks to be ready for that eventual shift. For now, we certainly need a few 40-45% three point shooters to spread our offense and keep us in games.

To be fair, what Phil is saying isn't revolutionary. He has already acknowledged that more 3s are shot nowadays, and so will likely incorporate that a little more into the team. What he is arguing against is the team just being built on 3pt shooting (and the thing is the teams he was criticising are also excellent defensively)- he likes a his teams being able to score in a variety of ways and I have no problem with that- look at Kyle Korver, marx man extradinaire in the regular season and completely neutralised in the playoffs. In the playoffs you have to be able to do more than shoot 3s- everyone already knows this. These playoffs have shown that teams not reliant on 3s can also prosper too.

nobody relies on just the 3.

you need lots of shots at the basket and lots of 3's.

minimize the shots in the middle.

Phil loves that long 2 and its a terrible shot

Cut the BULL. Phil has had very efficient offenses as I just freaking posted. This trope about Long 2's is just way overstated. Some of Phil's best offenses would be equally dynamic today! You either have an efficient offense or you don't!!! You wanted me to add Pat Riley.

Phil Jackson                                Pat Riley                            Jeff Van Gundy
1996-97 Bulls  Off Rtg: 114.4 (1st of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 106.8 (12th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 104.4 (25th of 29)
1997-98 Bulls  Off Rtg: 107.7 (9th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 107.6 (10th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 103.0 (20th of 29)
1989-99                                     Miami Off Rtg: 104.7 (9th of 29)     Knicks Off Rtg: 98.6  (26th of 29)
1999-00 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.3 (5th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 104.5 (17th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 102.5 (21st of 29) 
2000-01 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (2nd of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 101.1 (20th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 101.2 (19th of 29)
2001-02 Lakers Off Rtg: 109.4 (2nd of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 98.5  (27th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 101.5 (25th of 29)  Only coached 19 games
2002-03 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.2 (4th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 96.7  (27th of 29)
2003-04 Lakers Off Rtg: 105.5 (6th of 29)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 100.9 (24th of 29)
2004-05 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.1 (7th of 30)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 106.2 (15th of 30)
2005-06 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (8th of 30)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 101.6 (29th of 30)
2006-07 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.6 (7th of 30)   Miami Off Rtg: 104.3 (24th of 30)    Rockets Off Rtg: 106.0 (15th of 30)
2007-08 Lakers Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)   Miami Off Rtg: 100.5 (30th of 30)
2008-09 Lakers Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)   
2009-10 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30)
2010-11 Lakers Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)

dude give me a damn break with BS, MJ turned into the best mid range shooter on the planet once he brought in, that fadaway 15 footer was money in the bank, and he was just smarter and more athletic than most, so he could take it to the hole with the best of them.

Shaq said it himself, he never shoot beyond 5 ft of the basket, and kobe was the 2nd coming of MJ. So when you throw up those stats, remember the players that were involved, the rules of the game, and the era of basketball

That mid range ain't going to fly, there are no jordans or kobes on deck. the game has change.

I bet you phil still has a TYPEwriter, because he can still you use whiteout

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Phil is hardly the only NBA coach/GM/pro who has mentioned "live by the three, die by the three" as an axiom. The guard-focused NBA of today relies heavily on the three. Every new success will be greeted in subsequent seasons with new tactics to thwart them (e.g., playing perimeter defense) and then things will swing back inside.

Perhaps Phil, recognizing this, is preparing the Knicks to be ready for that eventual shift. For now, we certainly need a few 40-45% three point shooters to spread our offense and keep us in games.

To be fair, what Phil is saying isn't revolutionary. He has already acknowledged that more 3s are shot nowadays, and so will likely incorporate that a little more into the team. What he is arguing against is the team just being built on 3pt shooting (and the thing is the teams he was criticising are also excellent defensively)- he likes a his teams being able to score in a variety of ways and I have no problem with that- look at Kyle Korver, marx man extradinaire in the regular season and completely neutralised in the playoffs. In the playoffs you have to be able to do more than shoot 3s- everyone already knows this. These playoffs have shown that teams not reliant on 3s can also prosper too.

nobody relies on just the 3.

you need lots of shots at the basket and lots of 3's.

minimize the shots in the middle.

Phil loves that long 2 and its a terrible shot

Cut the BULL. Phil has had very efficient offenses as I just freaking posted. This trope about Long 2's is just way overstated. Some of Phil's best offenses would be equally dynamic today! You either have an efficient offense or you don't!!! You wanted me to add Pat Riley.

Phil Jackson                                Pat Riley                            Jeff Van Gundy
1996-97 Bulls  Off Rtg: 114.4 (1st of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 106.8 (12th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 104.4 (25th of 29)
1997-98 Bulls  Off Rtg: 107.7 (9th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 107.6 (10th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 103.0 (20th of 29)
1989-99                                     Miami Off Rtg: 104.7 (9th of 29)     Knicks Off Rtg: 98.6  (26th of 29)
1999-00 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.3 (5th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 104.5 (17th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 102.5 (21st of 29) 
2000-01 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (2nd of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 101.1 (20th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 101.2 (19th of 29)
2001-02 Lakers Off Rtg: 109.4 (2nd of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 98.5  (27th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 101.5 (25th of 29)  Only coached 19 games
2002-03 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.2 (4th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 96.7  (27th of 29)
2003-04 Lakers Off Rtg: 105.5 (6th of 29)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 100.9 (24th of 29)
2004-05 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.1 (7th of 30)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 106.2 (15th of 30)
2005-06 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (8th of 30)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 101.6 (29th of 30)
2006-07 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.6 (7th of 30)   Miami Off Rtg: 104.3 (24th of 30)    Rockets Off Rtg: 106.0 (15th of 30)
2007-08 Lakers Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)   Miami Off Rtg: 100.5 (30th of 30)
2008-09 Lakers Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)   
2009-10 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30)
2010-11 Lakers Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)

dude give me a damn break with BS, MJ turned into the best mid range shooter on the planet once he brought in, that fadaway 15 footer was money in the bank, and he was just smarter and more athletic than most, so he could take it to the hole with the best of them.

Shaq said it himself, he never shoot beyond 5 ft of the basket, and kobe was the 2nd coming of MJ. So when you throw up those stats, remember the players that were involved, the rules of the game, and the era of basketball

That mid range ain't going to fly, there are no jordans or kobes on deck. the game has change.

I bet you phil still has a TYPEwriter, because he can still you use whiteout

This is the exact reason why I post stats. I don't make posts talking out of my ass. Phil won his last titles despite not taking the most 3pt shots or having the most efficient offense in either of those post seasons. He did however have an efficient enough offense to win titles with. Take note of the PPS (Points Per Shot) of Golden State this year and Phil's title teams.

2014-15 Post Season
3-point Field Goals Attempted Per Game Leaders:
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
1	Golden State	102.2	37.6	81.7	.460	11.5	29.9	.385	15.5	21.7	.714	1.25	.531
2	Atlanta	        99.8	37.6	86.7	.434	9.9	28.9	.343	14.8	18.8	.787	1.15	.491
3	Houston	        111.4	38.3	84.5	.453	9.9	28.5	.348	25.0	38.3	.654	1.32	.511
4	Cleveland	99.6	34.5	79.9	.432	9.7	28.4	.342	20.9	26.2	.798	1.25	.492
5	Portland	93.8	33.4	83.6	.400	9.2	26.2	.351	17.8	21.6	.824	1.12	.455
6	San Antonio	103.4	38.3	85.3	.449	9.6	26.1	.366	17.3	25.4	.680	1.21	.505
7	LA Clippers	107.8	39.5	84.8	.466	8.4	25.4	.329	20.4	30.6	.667	1.27	.515
8	Toronto	        96.3	36.8	88.3	.416	7.5	25.0	.300	15.3	21.3	.718	1.09	.459
9	Chicago	        96.0	35.1	83.8	.419	9.2	24.6	.373	16.7	21.5	.775	1.15	.474
10	Dallas	        110.0	41.6	92.0	.452	7.6	24.4	.311	19.2	25.2	.762	1.20	.493
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
11	Brooklyn	96.3	36.2	83.2	.435	8.5	24.0	.354	15.5	20.8	.744	1.16	.486
12	Washington	101.1	37.3	84.5	.441	9.4	23.3	.403	17.1	23.7	.722	1.20	.497
13	Boston	        94.8	34.8	82.8	.420	5.5	21.5	.256	19.8	25.5	.775	1.15	.453
14	New Orleans	100.8	38.0	84.3	.451	6.8	21.3	.318	18.0	22.3	.809	1.20	.491
15	Milwaukee	88.5	34.2	88.2	.388	5.5	18.2	.303	14.7	20.8	.704	1.00	.419
16	Memphis	        94.7	35.7	84.1	.425	4.4	14.0	.312	18.9	22.7	.832	1.13	.451

2009-10 NBA Champion LA Lakers
3-point Field Goals Attempted Per Game Leaders - Post Season:
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
1	Orlando	        96.6	32.8	70.8	.463	9.9	26.9	.366	21.1	30.1	.701	1.36	.533
2	Phoenix	        107.1	38.0	79.6	.477	9.4	24.4	.384	21.8	28.1	.773	1.35	.536
3	Milwaukee	90.0	33.7	79.6	.424	6.6	21.3	.309	16.0	19.9	.806	1.13	.465
4	LA Lakers	101.1	37.3	81.2	.460	6.8	20.7	.330	19.6	26.0	.754	1.25	.502
5	Cleveland	100.2	34.9	74.5	.469	7.2	20.6	.348	23.2	31.3	.741	1.35	.517
6	Dallas	        92.8	34.0	79.3	.429	6.3	19.3	.328	18.5	23.3	.793	1.17	.468
7	Oklahoma City	93.8	30.7	78.5	.391	5.5	18.5	.297	27.0	32.3	.835	1.20	.426
8	Miami	        87.6	33.6	77.2	.435	6.8	18.2	.374	13.6	18.6	.731	1.13	.479
 	Denver	        109.3	37.3	78.5	.476	6.5	18.2	.358	28.2	36.8	.765	1.39	.517
10	Utah	        107.1	38.1	79.5	.479	6.5	17.4	.374	24.4	33.5	.728	1.35	.520
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
11	Charlotte	85.5	31.3	70.5	.443	4.8	17.0	.279	18.3	25.5	.716	1.21	.477
12	Portland	93.0	33.0	76.8	.430	6.3	16.7	.380	20.7	28.0	.738	1.21	.471
13	Boston	        93.9	34.3	75.7	.453	5.8	16.0	.363	19.5	25.8	.755	1.24	.491
14	San Antonio	96.1	36.4	78.5	.464	4.8	14.2	.338	18.5	26.6	.695	1.22	.494
15	Atlanta	        89.5	33.8	79.6	.425	4.5	13.6	.333	17.3	22.0	.785	1.12	.453
16	Chicago	        97.0	37.8	86.2	.439	3.2	10.8	.296	18.2	22.8	.798	1.13	.457

2008-09 NBA Champion LA Lakers
3-point Field Goals Attempted Per Game Leaders - Post Season
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
1	Orlando	        97.0	34.5	75.4	.457	8.4	23.3	.360	19.6	27.1	.722	1.29	.513
2	Denver	        107.9	37.3	78.4	.475	8.1	21.1	.383	25.4	33.4	.759	1.38	.526
3	Dallas	        101.6	35.6	75.7	.470	7.3	20.6	.354	23.1	28.4	.813	1.34	.518
4	Houston	        91.5	34.0	76.1	.447	6.6	20.2	.328	16.8	21.9	.768	1.20	.490
5	Miami	        88.1	31.3	69.6	.450	7.1	20.0	.357	18.4	22.6	.816	1.27	.501
6	Cleveland	97.6	34.8	75.1	.463	6.6	19.8	.336	21.4	28.8	.742	1.30	.507
7	Chicago	        108.3	38.4	87.1	.441	7.3	19.3	.378	24.1	29.9	.809	1.24	.483
8	Boston	        102.1	37.4	84.1	.445	6.7	18.6	.360	20.6	26.0	.791	1.21	.485
9	LA Lakers	102.4	37.4	80.5	.465	7.0	18.4	.377	20.6	27.5	.747	1.27	.508
 	New Orleans	84.2	27.8	70.2	.396	6.0	18.4	.326	22.6	28.0	.807	1.20	.439
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
11	San Antonio	90.4	35.0	76.6	.457	5.8	17.6	.330	14.6	20.6	.709	1.18	.495
12	Atlanta	        84.0	30.1	73.6	.409	6.1	17.5	.347	17.7	23.8	.744	1.14	.450
13	Philadelphia	88.5	34.0	75.0	.453	5.8	15.8	.368	14.7	20.7	.710	1.18	.492
14	Utah	        97.4	35.0	81.0	.432	5.0	14.6	.342	22.4	30.2	.742	1.20	.463
15	Portland	87.2	33.3	74.5	.447	5.5	14.2	.388	15.0	19.7	.763	1.17	.484
16	Detroit	        78.0	31.5	77.0	.409	3.0	12.3	.245	12.0	14.5	.828	1.01	.429

please feel free to mention that Shaq and Gasol were 2 of the most efficient guys to play for his laker teams.

if you want ... to not just talk out of your ass ....

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Moonangie wrote:Phil is hardly the only NBA coach/GM/pro who has mentioned "live by the three, die by the three" as an axiom. The guard-focused NBA of today relies heavily on the three. Every new success will be greeted in subsequent seasons with new tactics to thwart them (e.g., playing perimeter defense) and then things will swing back inside.

Perhaps Phil, recognizing this, is preparing the Knicks to be ready for that eventual shift. For now, we certainly need a few 40-45% three point shooters to spread our offense and keep us in games.

To be fair, what Phil is saying isn't revolutionary. He has already acknowledged that more 3s are shot nowadays, and so will likely incorporate that a little more into the team. What he is arguing against is the team just being built on 3pt shooting (and the thing is the teams he was criticising are also excellent defensively)- he likes a his teams being able to score in a variety of ways and I have no problem with that- look at Kyle Korver, marx man extradinaire in the regular season and completely neutralised in the playoffs. In the playoffs you have to be able to do more than shoot 3s- everyone already knows this. These playoffs have shown that teams not reliant on 3s can also prosper too.

nobody relies on just the 3.

you need lots of shots at the basket and lots of 3's.

minimize the shots in the middle.

Phil loves that long 2 and its a terrible shot

Cut the BULL. Phil has had very efficient offenses as I just freaking posted. This trope about Long 2's is just way overstated. Some of Phil's best offenses would be equally dynamic today! You either have an efficient offense or you don't!!! You wanted me to add Pat Riley.

Phil Jackson                                Pat Riley                            Jeff Van Gundy
1996-97 Bulls  Off Rtg: 114.4 (1st of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 106.8 (12th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 104.4 (25th of 29)
1997-98 Bulls  Off Rtg: 107.7 (9th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 107.6 (10th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 103.0 (20th of 29)
1989-99                                     Miami Off Rtg: 104.7 (9th of 29)     Knicks Off Rtg: 98.6  (26th of 29)
1999-00 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.3 (5th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 104.5 (17th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 102.5 (21st of 29) 
2000-01 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (2nd of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 101.1 (20th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 101.2 (19th of 29)
2001-02 Lakers Off Rtg: 109.4 (2nd of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 98.5  (27th of 29)    Knicks Off Rtg: 101.5 (25th of 29)  Only coached 19 games
2002-03 Lakers Off Rtg: 107.2 (4th of 29)   Miami Off Rtg: 96.7  (27th of 29)
2003-04 Lakers Off Rtg: 105.5 (6th of 29)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 100.9 (24th of 29)
2004-05 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.1 (7th of 30)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 106.2 (15th of 30)
2005-06 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.4 (8th of 30)                                        Rockets Off Rtg: 101.6 (29th of 30)
2006-07 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.6 (7th of 30)   Miami Off Rtg: 104.3 (24th of 30)    Rockets Off Rtg: 106.0 (15th of 30)
2007-08 Lakers Off Rtg: 113.0 (3rd of 30)   Miami Off Rtg: 100.5 (30th of 30)
2008-09 Lakers Off Rtg: 112.8 (3rd of 30)   
2009-10 Lakers Off Rtg: 108.8 (11th of 30)
2010-11 Lakers Off Rtg: 111.0 (6th of 30)

dude give me a damn break with BS, MJ turned into the best mid range shooter on the planet once he brought in, that fadaway 15 footer was money in the bank, and he was just smarter and more athletic than most, so he could take it to the hole with the best of them.

Shaq said it himself, he never shoot beyond 5 ft of the basket, and kobe was the 2nd coming of MJ. So when you throw up those stats, remember the players that were involved, the rules of the game, and the era of basketball

That mid range ain't going to fly, there are no jordans or kobes on deck. the game has change.

I bet you phil still has a TYPEwriter, because he can still you use whiteout

This is the exact reason why I post stats. I don't make posts talking out of my ass. Phil won his last titles despite not taking the most 3pt shots or having the most efficient offense in either of those post seasons. He did however have an efficient enough offense to win titles with. Take note of the PPS (Points Per Shot) of Golden State this year and Phil's title teams.

2014-15 Post Season
3-point Field Goals Attempted Per Game Leaders:
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
1	Golden State	102.2	37.6	81.7	.460	11.5	29.9	.385	15.5	21.7	.714	1.25	.531
2	Atlanta	        99.8	37.6	86.7	.434	9.9	28.9	.343	14.8	18.8	.787	1.15	.491
3	Houston	        111.4	38.3	84.5	.453	9.9	28.5	.348	25.0	38.3	.654	1.32	.511
4	Cleveland	99.6	34.5	79.9	.432	9.7	28.4	.342	20.9	26.2	.798	1.25	.492
5	Portland	93.8	33.4	83.6	.400	9.2	26.2	.351	17.8	21.6	.824	1.12	.455
6	San Antonio	103.4	38.3	85.3	.449	9.6	26.1	.366	17.3	25.4	.680	1.21	.505
7	LA Clippers	107.8	39.5	84.8	.466	8.4	25.4	.329	20.4	30.6	.667	1.27	.515
8	Toronto	        96.3	36.8	88.3	.416	7.5	25.0	.300	15.3	21.3	.718	1.09	.459
9	Chicago	        96.0	35.1	83.8	.419	9.2	24.6	.373	16.7	21.5	.775	1.15	.474
10	Dallas	        110.0	41.6	92.0	.452	7.6	24.4	.311	19.2	25.2	.762	1.20	.493
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
11	Brooklyn	96.3	36.2	83.2	.435	8.5	24.0	.354	15.5	20.8	.744	1.16	.486
12	Washington	101.1	37.3	84.5	.441	9.4	23.3	.403	17.1	23.7	.722	1.20	.497
13	Boston	        94.8	34.8	82.8	.420	5.5	21.5	.256	19.8	25.5	.775	1.15	.453
14	New Orleans	100.8	38.0	84.3	.451	6.8	21.3	.318	18.0	22.3	.809	1.20	.491
15	Milwaukee	88.5	34.2	88.2	.388	5.5	18.2	.303	14.7	20.8	.704	1.00	.419
16	Memphis	        94.7	35.7	84.1	.425	4.4	14.0	.312	18.9	22.7	.832	1.13	.451

2009-10 NBA Champion LA Lakers
3-point Field Goals Attempted Per Game Leaders - Post Season:
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
1	Orlando	        96.6	32.8	70.8	.463	9.9	26.9	.366	21.1	30.1	.701	1.36	.533
2	Phoenix	        107.1	38.0	79.6	.477	9.4	24.4	.384	21.8	28.1	.773	1.35	.536
3	Milwaukee	90.0	33.7	79.6	.424	6.6	21.3	.309	16.0	19.9	.806	1.13	.465
4	LA Lakers	101.1	37.3	81.2	.460	6.8	20.7	.330	19.6	26.0	.754	1.25	.502
5	Cleveland	100.2	34.9	74.5	.469	7.2	20.6	.348	23.2	31.3	.741	1.35	.517
6	Dallas	        92.8	34.0	79.3	.429	6.3	19.3	.328	18.5	23.3	.793	1.17	.468
7	Oklahoma City	93.8	30.7	78.5	.391	5.5	18.5	.297	27.0	32.3	.835	1.20	.426
8	Miami	        87.6	33.6	77.2	.435	6.8	18.2	.374	13.6	18.6	.731	1.13	.479
 	Denver	        109.3	37.3	78.5	.476	6.5	18.2	.358	28.2	36.8	.765	1.39	.517
10	Utah	        107.1	38.1	79.5	.479	6.5	17.4	.374	24.4	33.5	.728	1.35	.520
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
11	Charlotte	85.5	31.3	70.5	.443	4.8	17.0	.279	18.3	25.5	.716	1.21	.477
12	Portland	93.0	33.0	76.8	.430	6.3	16.7	.380	20.7	28.0	.738	1.21	.471
13	Boston	        93.9	34.3	75.7	.453	5.8	16.0	.363	19.5	25.8	.755	1.24	.491
14	San Antonio	96.1	36.4	78.5	.464	4.8	14.2	.338	18.5	26.6	.695	1.22	.494
15	Atlanta	        89.5	33.8	79.6	.425	4.5	13.6	.333	17.3	22.0	.785	1.12	.453
16	Chicago	        97.0	37.8	86.2	.439	3.2	10.8	.296	18.2	22.8	.798	1.13	.457

2008-09 NBA Champion LA Lakers
3-point Field Goals Attempted Per Game Leaders - Post Season
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
1	Orlando	        97.0	34.5	75.4	.457	8.4	23.3	.360	19.6	27.1	.722	1.29	.513
2	Denver	        107.9	37.3	78.4	.475	8.1	21.1	.383	25.4	33.4	.759	1.38	.526
3	Dallas	        101.6	35.6	75.7	.470	7.3	20.6	.354	23.1	28.4	.813	1.34	.518
4	Houston	        91.5	34.0	76.1	.447	6.6	20.2	.328	16.8	21.9	.768	1.20	.490
5	Miami	        88.1	31.3	69.6	.450	7.1	20.0	.357	18.4	22.6	.816	1.27	.501
6	Cleveland	97.6	34.8	75.1	.463	6.6	19.8	.336	21.4	28.8	.742	1.30	.507
7	Chicago	        108.3	38.4	87.1	.441	7.3	19.3	.378	24.1	29.9	.809	1.24	.483
8	Boston	        102.1	37.4	84.1	.445	6.7	18.6	.360	20.6	26.0	.791	1.21	.485
9	LA Lakers	102.4	37.4	80.5	.465	7.0	18.4	.377	20.6	27.5	.747	1.27	.508
 	New Orleans	84.2	27.8	70.2	.396	6.0	18.4	.326	22.6	28.0	.807	1.20	.439
RK	TEAM	        PTS	FGM	FGA	FG%	3PM	3PA	3P%	FTM	FTA	FT%	PPS	AFG%
11	San Antonio	90.4	35.0	76.6	.457	5.8	17.6	.330	14.6	20.6	.709	1.18	.495
12	Atlanta	        84.0	30.1	73.6	.409	6.1	17.5	.347	17.7	23.8	.744	1.14	.450
13	Philadelphia	88.5	34.0	75.0	.453	5.8	15.8	.368	14.7	20.7	.710	1.18	.492
14	Utah	        97.4	35.0	81.0	.432	5.0	14.6	.342	22.4	30.2	.742	1.20	.463
15	Portland	87.2	33.3	74.5	.447	5.5	14.2	.388	15.0	19.7	.763	1.17	.484
16	Detroit	        78.0	31.5	77.0	.409	3.0	12.3	.245	12.0	14.5	.828	1.01	.429

please feel free to mention that Shaq and Gasol were 2 of the most efficient guys to play for his laker teams.

if you want ... to not just talk out of your ass ....

Yes, and its why you play to your strength. GS plays to theirs which is outside shooting. Basically what Phil is saying applies historically. MDA had to go up against the lakers and the Spurs who Im gonna guess did not rely heavy on the 3pt shoot.

While Shaq was dominant, he had in Gasol and Bynum two guys that could post up in different places. Gasol in the high post is a gift.

Does not matter if GS wins the title because Phil is still correct in Theory, but there are always exceptions. Lets not forget that he all but hired Kerr, has a ton of respect for Kerr, are friends and Im gonna guess is rooting for him to win. Why the comment? Maybe they are just messing with each other.

Some of you are looking to indict Phil any way you can, especially to Nix who is his biggest cheerleader.

Bottom line is the historically correct numbers but the word "NEVER" need not be used. I forgot, did phil say Never?