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bulls want KurtThomas AND Tim Thomas for Crawford E-Rob and JYD
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nykdunk
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7/4/2004  11:17 PM
id rather stay away from this party and concentrate my efforts on building a tem for 05-06 while staying competitive this year.

My bad. I agree with that strategy. I didn't realize how much JYD is making. If we make this deal, it would force either Shandon or Penny to start which is not good, no matter how you look at it. I'll take that back.
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7/5/2004  12:31 AM
Well, being old and broken down didn't stop IT from picking up Vin Baker.

Reasons for bringing back McDyess:
1) We're coming up on 2 years since his knee injury... and you'd hope that the muscles and ligaments around his knee have stabilized quite a bit with those extra few months of rehab.
2) High upside, relatively low risk. He'd instantly be our top post-up threat.
3) He has good basketball instincts and has a history of being a solid defender

As far as getting younger goes, Mihm doesn't have anything in him to be any more than a journeyman big man... and our friend Marcus Fizer is yet another guy who seems to be frequently injured (knee issues). Fizer seems to have the upside of a Gary Trent which doesn't seem to mean too much. We also already have Sweetney...

Posted by BigSm00th:

If one thing is certain, McDyess will NOT be back.

a) He's old and injured, two things Isiah has said he will stay away from.
b) McDyess is pissed at Isiah for not telling him about the trade.
c) Isiah has been on a mission to build his own Knicks, different from Scott Layden. Why would he bring back the one guy who is linked to the Layden Era?
d) Why would you want Antonio McDyess?

If I'm splitting the MLE, I'm getting active, younger players who could improve. Chris Mihm, Marcus Fizer, etc. I'm not getting a guy who's knee exploded two years ago and is literally one jump away from his NBA career being over. That's suicide and stupid.

The Knicks would never give up TT and KT just to get Crawford. The Bulls have to give the Knicks something back. Regardless, this was not mentioned anywhere and is probably a ploy by Briggs so he can oppose the Crawford trade. I haven't seen this anywhere and I've read Insider, the NY papers, the Chicago papers, and basketball sites online. His source is probably "Bob on the carphone" or something absurd like that.
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7/5/2004  2:39 AM
While i don't see what TT has done that could deserve to be protected or not included in trades, I don't like the fact that's a 2 for 3 deal. We loose a roster spot that we need to bring some young players in.
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7/5/2004  11:35 AM
BRIGGS would you fuc@ing read my post for one goddman time!!!

Did you miss the part about 45 million coming of in 2 seasons putting us 10 mil under the cap becaue E-Rob, JYD, Penny, all expire that same season and some other salaries would be gone, too.

If you want to get under the cap you have to trade for players whose deals will end at around the same time with the max players you got.

You try to swing Houston for lets say Walker somehow in a multteam trade and we are looking at just Marbury signed to a signifact deal in just 2 seasons.

Which would put us at way under the cap and in great financial form overall.

You of all peoplr should apreciate this trade.
A glimmer of hope maybe?!?
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7/6/2004  1:50 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I'd counter with Kurt, Shandon and FW for Crawford, JYD and ERob.

That's the point, the offer is merely an opening gambit. Chicago knows there is no way that the Knicks would ever do it.
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7/6/2004  3:13 AM
Posted by simrud:

BRIGGS would you fuc@ing read my post for one goddman time!!!

Did you miss the part about 45 million coming of in 2 seasons putting us 10 mil under the cap becaue E-Rob, JYD, Penny, all expire that same season and some other salaries would be gone, too.

If you want to get under the cap you have to trade for players whose deals will end at around the same time with the max players you got.

You try to swing Houston for lets say Walker somehow in a multteam trade and we are looking at just Marbury signed to a signifact deal in just 2 seasons.

Which would put us at way under the cap and in great financial form overall.

You of all peoplr should apreciate this trade.


nice point sim.
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7/6/2004  9:43 AM
whether the info is reliable or not, a link should be posted whenever something like this is posted...it takes all of 2 seconds to copy & paste something into a post.

(i know Chico is going to lambast me now for being lazy & not taking the time to research the rumor myself to see if it's true)
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bulls want KurtThomas AND Tim Thomas for Crawford E-Rob and JYD

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