Nalod wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Nalod wrote:Someone look up Lakers under phil.

Knicks won't rely on the three, does not mean its not an important tool. Guess what, better teams shoot well.

It think the discussion is "OVER RELIANCE". But then some of you are smarter than Phil and label him "Stupid".
He is not afraid of sounding stupid.
Some of you should be.

BJ Armstrong, Paxton and Hodges shot the three with regularity a generation ago...I don't get it...

Nobody said Bulls abstained from it.

Has a regular season team that had the highest % of 3 pts made as a percentage of total points ever won a championship?

Lets go back a bit.

Team ranking (reg season) Champion

12th Spurs
14th heat
4th heat
7th mavs
15th lakers
12th lakers
19th celts
8th spurs
12th heat
10th Spurs

https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/three-pointers-made-per-game?date=2006-06-21

Yeah but Championship rings prior to Hollinger doesn't really count...

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:

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knickscity wrote:

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knickscity wrote:

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VCoug wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I think phil tweets to get a reaction, because IF GS and ATL meet in the finals, you know how stupid he would sound.

He sounds stupid anyway. Virtually every team left in the playoffs has an offense that relies on 3-pointers. And the last several Finals saw teams that take and hit a lot of 3s playing for the title: Dallas, OKC, SAS, and Miami.

Those teams you mentioned shoot the three but they don't rely on it...I think some are taking Phil Jax a little to literal...

GS Cavs and Hawks take almost 30 threes a game. Chi is at 27, Wizards at 25. Only the Grizzlies dont. Phil sounds dumb as hell, he isnt the coach, he needs to close his mouth, shut down his twitter and watch the games.

You are looking at playoff numbers..Rockets took close to 33 per during the regular season..In recent years, Teams winning Championships wasn't reliant on the three...Miami, SAS, Dallas shot 22/23 per...I think you have to have an inside game as well..Doesn't mean GS won't win..But you can see how they are vulnerable..Phil is far from dumb..He does need to step away from the keyboard tho..

Of course I'm looking at playoff numbers as I should, isnt the playoffs going on? Last year SA was in the top 10, Miami was in the top 5 in threes attempted, the previous year both were in the top 10 as well with the difference between 2 and 10 being a mere 4 attempts. Just curious, what was SA, Dallas, and Miami's "inside game"?

U can't look at playoff results because it's a smaller sample and you are disproving your own point...SA was top 10 of 16 teams????????..Does that make sense???..SA was 17th in 3PA during the regular season and won a Championship..Phil might know something, what do u think???

What do you think Phil himself is watching? His tweets are based on the playoffs, not regular season Matchups. We are talking about winning TITLES. What team won a title in the regular season? You're better than this.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/PhilJackson11/status/597453125297917953

ok let's do it your way..Of the 16 teams in the playoffs last year, the Spurs were 10th in 3PA, Miami was 5th in 3PA, does that prove your point or Phil's point??

Don't let the fact that the San Antonio Spurs ranked 12th in the NBA in 3-point field goals this season confuse you - head coach Gregg Popovich is not a fan of the triple.

On Saturday, Popovich was asked about how the proliferation of 3-point shooting across the league has changed how he tries to prepare his teams on each end of the floor and responded with distaste and reluctance.

"I hate it," Popovich said. "To me, it's not basketball. But you gotta use it. If you don't use it, you're in trouble. Sort of feels like cheating."

Popovich may be right that it's an adapt or perish situation, but his quote kind of ignores the fact that it's actually been the league catching up to the Spurs when it comes to a deep attack. Only once since 2001-02 have the Spurs thought fewer threes than the league average, and not at all since 2004-05:

He may feel dirty about it, but the long ball has been a major part of the Spurs' attack for a decade now. If it ain't broke.

Note Danny green and Parker's comment on the very same post...

This seemed odd, so I asked Danny Green for confirmation.

For all his old-school mannerisms, Popovich is actually quite adaptable

"Yeah, he does," Green said. "Pop's a pretty smart guy. Even though he hates it, he knows it's a thing you need to be successful in this league. He looks at statistics and he knows what successful and not successful teams do well. He doesn't like it but he respects it and knows it's a key thing for us in order to win games."

Few teams have made better use of the 3-point shot than the Spurs. They are credited with popularizing the use of the corner three, now a staple in every smart offense, and they made a healthy 39 percent of their shots from behind the arc this season, which led the league.

From Mario Elie to Bruce Bowen and now Green and Marco Belinelli, the Spurs have always made sure to fill out their roster with high-accuracy marksmen on the wing. Their shooting has opened up the floor for Tim Duncan to work inside and Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili to create off the dribble.

This relatively basic philosophy has helped keep the Spurs' offense functioning at a high level and also aided their transformation from a defensive juggernaut into one of the league's top offenses. That shift has helped keep the Spurs in contention and prolonged their run.

"We're not as good as we used to be defensively," Popovich said. "So, if that's going to diminish, you need to do something at the other end of the floor to make up for it. We changed our pace, and the way we approach things at the other end of the floor to make up for what we're going to lose defensively."

That right there is the essence of what makes the Spurs the Spurs. For all his old-school mannerisms, Popovich is actually quite adaptable.

"We've been playing together for the last three or four years, high pace, move the ball, try to score more points," Parker said. "As the league evolved and a lot of teams score a lot of points, we had to change a little bit of our game. And before we were a halfcourt team, pass it to Timmy. But that's the beauty of coach Pop and Timmy and everybody in this organization, we try to adapt. And I think our game has arrived to a point where we can score but we can play defense. We can play any kind of style."

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/6/8/5790178/gregg-popovich-threes-nba-finals-notebook-heat-vs-spurs

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:I guess you guys dont know what "rely" actually means. Memphis is the only playoff team currently that doesnt "rely" on threes to win a game meaning they dont need them to win.

San Antonio was in the bottom half of teams that took threes last year when they won the Championship...In the playoffs, they were on the cusp of the bottom third of teams shooting threes..I think it's safe to say they don't rely on it...

holfresh wrote:But I'm lost at why you guys are losing your minds when u saw Phil Jackson coached teams shooting threes with the best of them...The 2010 Lakers were 10th in regular season 3PA and 4th in the playoffs in 3PA...

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:But I'm lost at why you guys are losing your minds when u saw Phil Jackson coached teams shooting threes with the best of them...The 2010 Lakers were 10th in regular season 3PA and 4th in the playoffs in 3PA...

So why are you debating exactly the opposite? Just to side with Phil?

I'm not debating the opposite..10th in the league is balance...Phil didn't say no threes...

Phil probably think that doc is a tool

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:Clippers have shot 8 threes in the first 6 minutes.

Phil probably think that doc is a tool

They 2-10..20% shooting..

and that is why phil is exactly right ...

and I think that he got in their heads kgb style

knicks1248 wrote:phil wants his team to shoot mid range jumpers and avg 2 fta per game

knickscity wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knickscity wrote:I guess you guys dont know what "rely" actually means. Memphis is the only playoff team currently that doesnt "rely" on threes to win a game meaning they dont need them to win.

San Antonio was in the bottom half of teams that took threes last year when they won the Championship...In the playoffs, they were on the cusp of the bottom third of teams shooting threes..I think it's safe to say they don't rely on it...

25% of their total shots were threes, and they were #1 in %. They absolutely relied on the three ball.

number 1 in % does not mean they relied on it to the extreme, that means they executed it to great efficiency and teams have to respect it. If they do, it opens up the paint. Isn't parker been one of the top players scoring in the paint? He is. Is it because of his height? Wing span? or Team philosophy?

Why did Lance Stephanson have a breakout year in INDY then Regress in Charlotte? Look at the outside shooting of both teams. Indy opened up the offense with excellent outside shooting. Charlottes outside game was awful this season.

Phil is right, great teams don't rely on the 3, but thats far from saying they don't use it. Most of the teams were middle of the pack in terms of 3's made. I did not put % made because its safe to assume they were very good at it. So if your good at it the avg fan says "Stats say they should do more"......BUt thats not the real story. The story is its one weapon they can use and beat you with if you let them. Get it? Take away the 3 your giving the paint to them. A team will then destroy you.

if GS can keep a high % of 3's made with high amount of attempts they will succeed. This has not been a common path among the last 10 championships won. 3pt shot is a devastating weapon when it works. Nobody argues that.

If Im the spurs its recognized that if Danny Green is hot, Diaw and Parker get lots of room to work with in the paint.

Knicks won 54 games with great outside shooting. When Kidd went cold, bad things happened.

Phil isn't the first or the last person to believe in this philosophy.

This is a refreshing change from the MDA era (3 seconds or less)