BRIGGS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I would love another 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder in this draft. Sign a couple of nice free agents and we have a chance

The bottom line is this--we are NOT getting an NBA star for free agency. Pick 14 and 16 could yield stars. Can you imagine having picks 2 14 and 16? Id give back 2nd rounders and 1.5 mm in cash to each team to beat out Philly to do it.

We could get LaMarcus Aldridge and I think he'd be worth the money.

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I would love another 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder in this draft. Sign a couple of nice free agents and we have a chance

The bottom line is this--we are NOT getting an NBA star for free agency. Pick 14 and 16 could yield stars. Can you imagine having picks 2 14 and 16? Id give back 2nd rounders and 1.5 mm in cash to each team to beat out Philly to do it.

We could get LaMarcus Aldridge and I think he'd be worth the money.

No chance. And Id rather have picks 14 and 16 anyway. I want to rebuild this team

VCoug wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VCoug wrote:Unfortunately, that isn't a rumor if what OKC is thinking. It's just speculation.

Boston has flat out come out and said theyll trade their pick for wallace--this makes a lot of sense. Ive said this before--if Kanter cost OKC 14-16mm to resign they will be 25 mm over the cap and the taxes will be nearly 60mm. They need to get rid of atleast 15mm in cap Their draft pick is 1.88mm and they have trade-able pieces of around 9-10mm. It s going to be difficult 3 of them in different ways because each will cost a different asset to get rid of. With 1 14 pick they have the power to get rid of all . .

Its pretty simple to me--picks 14 and 16 should be priority #1 for the Knicks and not even close. If they can be had--its a simple and easy answer.

They didn't say they would trade their pick. They're rumored that they would trade a 1st round pick to dump Wallace. They have a lot of picks owed to them over the next few years and some of them are expected to be in the 20s.

If you were an NBA team and Boston wanted to give you a contract worth 10mm $ you'd want the 16th pick--lets get real.

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I would love another 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder in this draft. Sign a couple of nice free agents and we have a chance

The bottom line is this--we are NOT getting an NBA star for free agency. Pick 14 and 16 could yield stars. Can you imagine having picks 2 14 and 16? Id give back 2nd rounders and 1.5 mm in cash to each team to beat out Philly to do it.

These types of deals would have been really great had we NOT re-signed Melo but now we are stuck with our false-hope and have to try to compete with him.

I prayed we would sign and trade him to the Bulls for picks/Mirotic/Snell but no we re-upped our aging fugazy star and we are no longer able to fantasize about stock-piling draft picks for the promise of a better day tomorrow.

Our best bet is that Phil spends his FA $$$ on younger players and does not out-right chase +29 year old guys who will decline in 2 years.

LivingLegend--the reality is most Knick fans do not know the pure inside of how the NBA work--maybe 50% on this message board that has what 200 members or so do? When you go to real gm 1/2 the members there believe we will get something like K Leonard and L Aldridge --something of that ilk. A few months ago when I mentioned Anjica and Carroll on real gm--people thought I was crazy--stupid--why would we get those guys?

Well I think we are getting Carroll--Carroll agent is also the agent for 3 Knicks his name is Cornstein and they are 3 Knicks whoe my be promised back. So the Knicks may have already had a deal in place for Carroll with big money behind it--I assume the same for Greg Monroe . Free agency doesnt begin on July 1 it ends on July 1 all of the posturing comes months before under the table. Unless we get pick 1 I still believe that Phil Jacksons plan is Greg Monroe WCS and Demarre Carroll--posibly D Green as well if each of those guys take a sliver less. I still dont see a good team but its one that can get to 35 wins and vie for the 8th seed--and really thats all Dolan wants.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I would love another 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder in this draft. Sign a couple of nice free agents and we have a chance

The bottom line is this--we are NOT getting an NBA star for free agency. Pick 14 and 16 could yield stars. Can you imagine having picks 2 14 and 16? Id give back 2nd rounders and 1.5 mm in cash to each team to beat out Philly to do it.

These types of deals would have been really great had we NOT re-signed Melo but now we are stuck with our false-hope and have to try to compete with him.

I prayed we would sign and trade him to the Bulls for picks/Mirotic/Snell but no we re-upped our aging fugazy star and we are no longer able to fantasize about stock-piling draft picks for the promise of a better day tomorrow.

Our best bet is that Phil spends his FA $$$ on younger players and does not out-right chase +29 year old guys who will decline in 2 years.

LivingLegend--the reality is most Knick fans do not know the pure inside of how the NBA work--maybe 50% on this message board that has what 200 members or so do? When you go to real gm 1/2 the members there believe we will get something like K Leonard and L Aldridge --something of that ilk. A few months ago when I mentioned Anjica and Carroll on real gm--people thought I was crazy--stupid--why would we get those guys?

Well I think we are getting Carroll--Carroll agent is also the agent for 3 Knicks his name is Cornstein and they are 3 Knicks whoe my be promised back. So the Knicks may have already had a deal in place for Carroll with big money behind it--I assume the same for Greg Monroe . Free agency doesnt begin on July 1 it ends on July 1 all of the posturing comes months before under the table. Unless we get pick 1 I still believe that Phil Jacksons plan is Greg Monroe WCS and Demarre Carroll--posibly D Green as well if each of those guys take a sliver less. I still dont see a good team but its one that can get to 35 wins and vie for the 8th seed--and really thats all Dolan wants.

Cornstein is also the agent for Beno Udrih and Samuel Dalembert - the Knicks didn't exactly work out for those clients of his. I don't think it's a lock we even get a conversation with Carroll.

I think our FA will be Greg Monroe and a few smaller signings.

I hope no one is expecting anything great. We've got to prove we can be a winning team before we can get good players in FA again, I think.

We really need to hit a home run in the draft.

--->We really need to hit a home run in the draft.

AGREE!!!!100% No one's going to happy if we get less than pick #1--I dont trust Phil to take Okafor.

VCoug wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VCoug wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VCoug wrote:Unfortunately, that isn't a rumor if what OKC is thinking. It's just speculation.

Boston has flat out come out and said theyll trade their pick for wallace--this makes a lot of sense. Ive said this before--if Kanter cost OKC 14-16mm to resign they will be 25 mm over the cap and the taxes will be nearly 60mm. They need to get rid of atleast 15mm in cap Their draft pick is 1.88mm and they have trade-able pieces of around 9-10mm. It s going to be difficult 3 of them in different ways because each will cost a different asset to get rid of. With 1 14 pick they have the power to get rid of all . .

Its pretty simple to me--picks 14 and 16 should be priority #1 for the Knicks and not even close. If they can be had--its a simple and easy answer.

They didn't say they would trade their pick. They're rumored that they would trade a 1st round pick to dump Wallace. They have a lot of picks owed to them over the next few years and some of them are expected to be in the 20s.

If you were an NBA team and Boston wanted to give you a contract worth 10mm $ you'd want the 16th pick--lets get real.

That's not what I said. Boston has not said they will trade their pick to get rid of Wallace. It's reported that they would trade a pick to get rid of Wallace. It could be this year's Clippers pick which they own. It could be the Dallas pick which is top 7 protected until 2021. It could be next year's Minnesota pick which is top 12 protected. It could be the 2018 Memphis pick which has a bunch of strange caveats. I would absolutely trade for Wallace if we were getting a top 16 pick in this year's draft or one of the future Brooklyn picks, maybe the Dallas pick as well. But we don't know which pick Boston is dangling.

What Im saying to you is teams will want the 16th pick to take on 10mm $--would you take less if you were running a team? I think its fair. Why would I take on 10mm $ for a player who cant help and kill my free agency for hope that I can get a 27 pick in 2 years--makes 0 sense. You take my cap space--I give that to you--you pay me the 16th pick. Anything less no one will deal with them.

BRIGGS wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:I would love another 1st round pick and a 2nd rounder in this draft. Sign a couple of nice free agents and we have a chance

The bottom line is this--we are NOT getting an NBA star for free agency. Pick 14 and 16 could yield stars. Can you imagine having picks 2 14 and 16? Id give back 2nd rounders and 1.5 mm in cash to each team to beat out Philly to do it.

We could get LaMarcus Aldridge and I think he'd be worth the money.

No chance. And Id rather have picks 14 and 16 anyway. I want to rebuild this team

Fair. But I think a salesman like Phil can sell LaMarcus on taking the leap. It's not like its a hard sell. The road to the Finals via the East is infinitely easier than the West. And if Melo already in tow, a top 3 draft pick in a draft with franchise caliber prospects and a phletora of cap space in 2016, we could easily become a legitimate contender. And considering we have $27 million in cap space, I don't see why we couldn't sign Aldridge AND assume the Thunder's contracts.

VCoug wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VCoug wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VCoug wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VCoug wrote:Unfortunately, that isn't a rumor if what OKC is thinking. It's just speculation.

Boston has flat out come out and said theyll trade their pick for wallace--this makes a lot of sense. Ive said this before--if Kanter cost OKC 14-16mm to resign they will be 25 mm over the cap and the taxes will be nearly 60mm. They need to get rid of atleast 15mm in cap Their draft pick is 1.88mm and they have trade-able pieces of around 9-10mm. It s going to be difficult 3 of them in different ways because each will cost a different asset to get rid of. With 1 14 pick they have the power to get rid of all . .

Its pretty simple to me--picks 14 and 16 should be priority #1 for the Knicks and not even close. If they can be had--its a simple and easy answer.

They didn't say they would trade their pick. They're rumored that they would trade a 1st round pick to dump Wallace. They have a lot of picks owed to them over the next few years and some of them are expected to be in the 20s.

If you were an NBA team and Boston wanted to give you a contract worth 10mm $ you'd want the 16th pick--lets get real.

That's not what I said. Boston has not said they will trade their pick to get rid of Wallace. It's reported that they would trade a pick to get rid of Wallace. It could be this year's Clippers pick which they own. It could be the Dallas pick which is top 7 protected until 2021. It could be next year's Minnesota pick which is top 12 protected. It could be the 2018 Memphis pick which has a bunch of strange caveats. I would absolutely trade for Wallace if we were getting a top 16 pick in this year's draft or one of the future Brooklyn picks, maybe the Dallas pick as well. But we don't know which pick Boston is dangling.

What Im saying to you is teams will want the 16th pick to take on 10mm $--would you take less if you were running a team? I think its fair. Why would I take on 10mm $ for a player who cant help and kill my free agency for hope that I can get a 27 pick in 2 years--makes 0 sense. You take my cap space--I give that to you--you pay me the 16th pick. Anything less no one will deal with them.

I would want the 16th pick but that doesn't mean I would get it. Last Summer, Houston traded their 2015 1st to LA to dump Lin's contract. That's the 27th pick in the draft this year.

The Clippers also traded their pick to the Bucks to dump Jared Dudley. That's also somewhere in the 20's this year (and evidently owned by a different team now).

As a side, whose pick to Denver trade to dump JaVale McGee?

Also we have to factor if a player has any ability to play and contribute at all, which Gereld Wallace clearly does not
I am not sure about McGee, who has had injury problem the past couple of seasons and has multiple Shaqtin a foot moments but no one can deny that he once had a high ceiling in terms of physical abilities of length/size/athleticism/mobility for a BIG, though has problems with hand eye coordination/body control

If we can get more picks somehow,
I do hope we can add Tyler Harvey *has a bit of a poor mans Curry in his game* in the 2nd round and Terry Rozeir as a early 2nd rounder if he actually drops who has a Eric Bledsoe type of ceiling

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/los-angeles-lakers/jeremy-lin/

I just do not think Wood is worth taking a gamble on for us in the 1st round due to our lack of picks to begin with
He will have to gain much weight/strength before he can contribute, if he is selected in the 2nd round, a team does not have to offer him a contract and let him go oversea's/D League as he builds up his weight and works on his skills first for at least 1-2 seasons b4 joining the NBA

As raw as DeAndre Jordan was, Wood is even more raw than him, and his body is closer to AR at his draft than a legit starting PF