BigDaddyG wrote:I'd pencil Carroll along with Danny Green and possibly Wes Matthews. I can't make a decision on Brook until I know where we are picking in the draft.

Im not overly fascinated by these contracts. These contracts are going to be so cheap--than looking at anyone like we are overpaying is not doing your homework.

The question--can Brook Lopez learn how to move the ball better--well the kid went to Stanford--hes a smart kid--of course he can pass the ball. The thing with Brook if you are looking at the triangle offense--is that he is efficient at hitting the mid range J--capable of scoring 20 points every game --well the answer is yes. Brook was the MVP of the NBA the last month of the season. Hes played very well--some of the criticism here is absurd and I can easily say that I doubt people have watched Brook if they are talking trash--the guy has been unbelievable. I think Brook is a better player than Greg Monroe--I don't see Greg hitting that jumpshot consistently--hes a good passer/rebounder interior scorer--and he certainly should be a candidate for the team. But for people to poo poo Brook Lopez--you have to be kidding me. Hes playing basketball right now and were not--and hes the ONLY reason why the Nets didnt fold. Since Brooklyn took off 23 games ago--Brook has averaged 2.5 blocks and has been in double digit rebounds in half of those games. Hes hit 25 points or more 11 times as well. They were 15-8 in those games with 4 losses coming to Atlanta. hes basically been a 21-10-2.5 55% C the last 23 games--slightly up from his normal 20-7-2 50%. 14 of those 23 games the Nets did not allow 100 points. Theyve been VERY competitive with the 2nd best team in basketball this year--and with a bounce of the ball could be up 3-2 going back to Brooklyn. It sounds kind of foolish to knock a player who is easily better than any player we have. Im sure if there was a GM poll of player theyd rather have Carmelo or Lopez--Lopez would win 30-0. If Lopez played with better players--he'd be a fantastic asset--a player you can go to for big game points and a rim protector. When is the last time we had any C avg 2 blocks--you have to go back to Dikembe Mutombo. Getting Brook on a 16mm contract is a great deal. I guarantee there will be 3-5 teams going after Brook. I think Brook is better than Monroe

BRIGGS wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:I'd pencil Carroll along with Danny Green and possibly Wes Matthews. I can't make a decision on Brook until I know where we are picking in the draft.

Im not overly fascinated by these contracts. These contracts are going to be so cheap--than looking at anyone like we are overpaying is not doing your homework.

The question--can Brook Lopez learn how to move the ball better--well the kid went to Stanford--hes a smart kid--of course he can pass the ball. The thing with Brook if you are looking at the triangle offense--is that he is efficient at hitting the mid range J--capable of scoring 20 points every game --well the answer is yes. Brook was the MVP of the NBA the last month of the season. Hes played very well--some of the criticism here is absurd and I can easily say that I doubt people have watched Brook if they are talking trash--the guy has been unbelievable. I think Brook is a better player than Greg Monroe--I don't see Greg hitting that jumpshot consistently--hes a good passer/rebounder interior scorer--and he certainly should be a candidate for the team. But for people to poo poo Brook Lopez--you have to be kidding me. Hes playing basketball right now and were not--and hes the ONLY reason why the Nets didnt fold. Since Brooklyn took off 23 games ago--Brook has averaged 2.5 blocks and has been in double digit rebounds in half of those games. Hes hit 25 points or more 11 times as well. They were 15-8 in those games with 4 losses coming to Atlanta. hes basically been a 21-10-2.5 55% C the last 23 games--slightly up from his normal 20-7-2 50%. 14 of those 23 games the Nets did not allow 100 points. Theyve been VERY competitive with the 2nd best team in basketball this year--and with a bounce of the ball could be up 3-2 going back to Brooklyn. It sounds kind of foolish to knock a player who is easily better than any player we have. Im sure if there was a GM poll of player theyd rather have Carmelo or Lopez--Lopez would win 30-0. If Lopez played with better players--he'd be a fantastic asset--a player you can go to for big game points and a rim protector. When is the last time we had any C avg 2 blocks--you have to go back to Dikembe Mutombo. Getting Brook on a 16mm contract is a great deal. I guarantee there will be 3-5 teams going after Brook. I think Brook is better than Monroe

I'm speechless...

gunsnewing wrote:Briggs Mutombo was so much more impactful game in and game out than Brobin Lopez. COME ONNN MEhhhNNNN!!!

I think the Knicks won 39 games with Mutumbo at C. Thats Brook not Robin.

nixluva wrote:BRIGGS I would agree that Brook is a bit more talented than Monroe in some aspects. I do think tho that Monroe is a better passer and rebounder and I think Monroe still has upside and he's a little younger. I believe he can and will get better in a better situation for him. I actually don't have a problem with Brook as an option. His ability to score inside and out makes him even more versatile offensively. It's a very close call IMO. I know some of us don't really like either guy, but you have to recognize that they represent a major upgrade from what we currently have and they are actually among the better players in the league. Just because they aren't the BEST doesn't mean we should discount them.

I agree with you Monroe is a better passer more consistent rebounder.

I was just looking at Brooks playoff numbers

First off anyone who has watched the series knows that the Nets could EASILY be up 3-2 right now going back to Brooklyn.
Brook LOpez in this series has averaged 20 points 9 rebounds 2,5 blocks at 55%. You have a thread orgasming at Lamarcus Aldridge up above and Brook has performed much better than Aldridge this post season.

BRIGGS wrote:Thats pretty much it in a nutshell

Thats your free agency

3 years 49.5mm for Lopez with a team option for 4 (16.5)

4 years 50mm for Carroll (12.5mm)

2 years 5 mm for Derrick Williams(2.5mm)

Shveyd MLE
Resign Cole

Waive Calderon for the extra 3.6mm

Lopez has a lot of issues (enough have already been mentioned in this thread), IMO, that would make me steer away from him. Great offensive big man, though.

I like Carroll- good work ethic, good defender, and he'd be an immediate leader on this Knicks team.

I want Shved back.

Not sure if Jackson wants Cole back, but he is a decent player with consistent minutes- just wish he could hit a short jumper.

Why Derrick Williams? Are you hoping that he somehow recaptures the ability to do the things that allowed him to be the #2 pick in the draft- a draft position that makes him one of the worst picks of all time. From what I can see, he is not even a good shooter from midrange if you go by the numbers on BBReference,

I think he had one very good game against the Knicks this year, and the money you spend on him would be minimal, but you're always looking for the penny stocks that have a shot to grow- do you consider Williams in this way? Have you seen enough from him in the past two years to warrant the Knicks spending any money on him?

I would offer Enes Kanter 4 years 64mm as long as his knee was 110% I probably have a 5- 10% chance of getting him--so its likely a zero. But I would try. and if not here is my plan.

I would NOT take Lopez Brook or Robin Greg Monroe Aldridge Gasol or anyone else in this free agency for a 16-20mm $ contract in the post. Why I dont see any of them who can help me win a championship NOT 1 of them In fact I doubt I use free agency much at all.

Boston and GS want to get rid of both Lee and Wallace. Id take both for Boston's 16 pick this year(they want Kevin Love) and from GS I would need their 30 pick and Id take a pick well into the future--lets say 2020 top 10 protected until I get it.

I would release Calderon and stretch his contract(which leaves me with 7mm in cap space)

That gives me pick 16 and 30 in this draft along with 1-2-3(most likely)

Pick 1--Towns
Pick 2 --Okafor
Pick 3 if Philly gets pick 2 Okafor
Pick 3 without Okafor--look for trade that really is great for the team. If Not Id take Winslow 3(Im happy with the result in picks 1-2-3 if we get less than pick 3 then we get less thats why I fcn hated falling a spot)
Pick 4 Rinse and repeat with trade and if its not there take Hezonga
Pick 5 Really work hard to trade back for a lightly restricted pick in 2016 and a later 2015 with some added in 2's . If nothing makes sense than Id take Russell

Pick 16 Id take Christian Wood and if not there Bobby Portis
Pick 30 Tyler Harvey and if not Rahsaud Vaughn

Id likely take 2 guards from the UFDA

Lets say my take is Okafor Wood Harvey Josh Richardson UFDA and Dakari Johnson(who I picked up by buying a 2)

Im going to spend those 7mm $ on Alex Anjica for 4 years 30mm
Resign Alex Shveyd(Full MLE)
Resign Cole Aldrich 3 years 6mm
LLE Derrick Williams

My line up for 2015

C- Anjica
PF-Okafor
F Anthony
G Langston Galloway
G Alex Svheyd

C Cole Aldrich
PF David Lee
G Derrick Williams
G Tim Hardaway
PG Josh Richardson

C Dakari Johnson
F Thansis A

Lance Thomas vet min

Harvey to D league to train as a PG 1/2 year
Wood to D league 1/2 year

Goal is to be highly competitive develop a team /style and keep maximum cap space for 2016. If Wood or Harvey prove they need no developing and can earn minutes--they earn them.

This is essentially a full rebuild looking towards the future.

gunsnewing wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Briggs Mutombo was so much more impactful game in and game out than Brobin Lopez. COME ONNN MEhhhNNNN!!!

I think the Knicks won 39 games with Mutumbo at C. Thats Brook not Robin.

I don't want either hence why I called him Brobin lol

And that was an almost 40yr old Mutombo. Would've won more had we not traded him and KVH for TT & Nazr

guns I would rebuild the team much more--I wouldnt do this for . I would keep the space and use it to acquire picks and a C that I could flip if needed.

RonRon wrote:we can offer MLE type money and LLE type money but we only get to utilize only one of the EXEMPTIONS

That is why Cole Aldrich's contract is pretty important to us, as he has a low cap hold but we have his early bird rights, so we can use his contract to go over the cap to get the full 6m MLE to utilize, even if it meant overpaying for him in his first year *in a sense front loaded*

I also have high expectations on the ceiling/development of Thanasis, who I value much greater than Early

You need weapons to contend with what we saw tonight. You need athletic size talent shooting defense and it has to come in waves of depth. I dont see Greg Monroe as the answer to beating what I saw tonight. I like big guards--I like a squadron of guards who can control play multiple athletic big men who dont have to play 40 minutes and can make plays. I don't think we have anything until 2018 other than a team that can compete and develop--not worth over spending on vets. You'd rather try to build your own house try to build assets and keep continuity from your D league team to the pros.