gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good for Melo and anyone one else that can help calm things down and prevent loss of life and property damage. He may be fat, he may be selfish (he should be marching with MDA and LIN)and ruined our lives but he is a positive role model in Balitimore and his efforts are for the greater good! Photo ops are part of being involved good or bad!

I don't totally disagree, but as far as I know the only loss of life that occurred was the homicide the cops committed that started the demonstrations. It was announced this morning that the DA is charging the cops involved with homicide.

They should be charged if it is proven to have been unprevoked and Gray did not commit a crime this time. This case is a little different than the other ridiculous cases we've seen this year I have to say.

I'm just sick of it all and want racism to end. Remove "Race" from all government forms. There is only one race. We are all humans. Dogs come in all colors but we still see them as dogs and nothing else. Something went array years ago but it has to change now. I feel like we have gone backwards after everything that has happened this year and the media is trying to divide the nation for their own personal gains and the government has failed to do its job in uniting the people of America. In fact I think they Want to divide the nation. So much arguing between republicans and democrats. Get rid of political parties. Let's just try to come to a mutual agreement. I bet if we all got down to the basics all our political views and needs would line up perfectly. Why be forced to pick a side even when you don't agree with everything. I hope we figure it out one day

i don't think it's been happening any more than it used to. this **** has always happened. We are just finally seeing it because of social media spreading the word. the media wasn't going to cover this until people lit up twitter with videos of the shootings and eye witnesses finally having a place to go be heard.

i think twitter is bad for a lot of things, but i think it is actually really good for spreading information about what is really happening. it finally gives a way for people to see this stuff that has been going on for a long long time.

it's like the rodney king case - certainly not the first time the cops roughed up a suspect, but it may have been the first time it was caught on video. people saw that and they were shocked. sort of like how people saw images from vietnam and it was the first time people saw a true vision of our military in a foreign country. that stuff is shocking to see. will it lead to change? who knows. i really hope so. but i think the fact that people are more aware of what is happening all the time in this country is a good thing, because you need to be aware of a problem to fix it.

fishmike wrote:Guns is deeper than staying out of trouble. Two problems with cops. 1) the people that job attracts and 2) the job itself.
When your workday is morning noon and night dealing with scumbags thats going to take a toll on anyone. You start hating these people. Then its a blurred line who "these people" are. Compounding the fact that is that far too many seek that job for the wrong reasons. I mean that Lindon cop who killed people driving drunk in Staten Island on that wrong way collision was 3x the legal limit and had a long history of getting popped drinking and driving.
This is normal. All cops? Of course not, but many? Yes. Maybe drive with beers in their consoles on the way home after their softball games. Because they dont care or feel themselves entitled or above petty laws. That cop was making 92k a year. Fireman do the same, but everyone loves fireman so fine. Too many lazy phucks looking for an job that provides power and perks. Then that job promotes racism and a variety of scummy behavior. Notice I say "promotes" because it absolutley does.

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fishmike wrote:Guns is deeper than staying out of trouble. Two problems with cops. 1) the people that job attracts and 2) the job itself.
When your workday is morning noon and night dealing with scumbags thats going to take a toll on anyone. You start hating these people. Then its a blurred line who "these people" are. Compounding the fact that is that far too many seek that job for the wrong reasons. I mean that Lindon cop who killed people driving drunk in Staten Island on that wrong way collision was 3x the legal limit and had a long history of getting popped drinking and driving.
This is normal. All cops? Of course not, but many? Yes. Maybe drive with beers in their consoles on the way home after their softball games. Because they dont care or feel themselves entitled or above petty laws. That cop was making 92k a year. Fireman do the same, but everyone loves fireman so fine. Too many lazy phucks looking for an job that provides power and perks. Then that job promotes racism and a variety of scummy behavior. Notice I say "promotes" because it absolutley does.

Absolutely man. The Linden cop is the most absurd story I've ever heard and a prime example of the corruption that goes on in he police force all over he country. How does a cop get passed 2 DWI's actually only one because they through he other one out on a technicality. How does he keep his job and a patrol officer? There is just so much wrong with that picture. When you are a cop you are held to a higher standard and you stand proud for it. You are suppose to set an example. How can you arrest people everyday for dwi and then do the same. So hypocritical! It just goes to show how head departments protect these guys no matter what. They could've gotten rid of him. What value did he bring. 8 motor be hole accidents on his record and he is what 26yrs old? And for the other cops to get in the car with him knowing he was plastered with a .24?!! After all the horrible motor vehicle deaths these cops see on a weekly basis? Unbelievable! The guy early had a drinking problem and thought that he was invincible because of the badge. It is plastered all over his Instagram page. Bottles after bottles of hard liquor behind his bed like some 19yr college student. Posts about being proud of himself to living on the edge and taking risks. Unfreakinbelievable!

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good for Melo and anyone one else that can help calm things down and prevent loss of life and property damage. He may be fat, he may be selfish (he should be marching with MDA and LIN)and ruined our lives but he is a positive role model in Balitimore and his efforts are for the greater good! Photo ops are part of being involved good or bad!

I don't totally disagree, but as far as I know the only loss of life that occurred was the homicide the cops committed that started the demonstrations. It was announced this morning that the DA is charging the cops involved with homicide.

They should be charged if it is proven to have been unprevoked and Gray did not commit a crime this time. This case is a little different than the other ridiculous cases we've seen this year I have to say.

I'm just sick of it all and want racism to end. Remove "Race" from all government forms. There is only one race. We are all humans. Dogs come in all colors but we still see them as dogs and nothing else. Something went array years ago but it has to change now. I feel like we have gone backwards after everything that has happened this year and the media is trying to divide the nation for their own personal gains and the government has failed to do its job in uniting the people of America. In fact I think they Want to divide the nation. So much arguing between republicans and democrats. Get rid of political parties. Let's just try to come to a mutual agreement. I bet if we all got down to the basics all our political views and needs would line up perfectly. Why be forced to pick a side even when you don't agree with everything. I hope we figure it out one day

i don't think it's been happening any more than it used to. this **** has always happened. We are just finally seeing it because of social media spreading the word. the media wasn't going to cover this until people lit up twitter with videos of the shootings and eye witnesses finally having a place to go be heard.

i think twitter is bad for a lot of things, but i think it is actually really good for spreading information about what is really happening. it finally gives a way for people to see this stuff that has been going on for a long long time.

it's like the rodney king case - certainly not the first time the cops roughed up a suspect, but it may have been the first time it was caught on video. people saw that and they were shocked. sort of like how people saw images from vietnam and it was the first time people saw a true vision of our military in a foreign country. that stuff is shocking to see. will it lead to change? who knows. i really hope so. but i think the fact that people are more aware of what is happening all the time in this country is a good thing, because you need to be aware of a problem to fix it.

+1. Civil rights movement in the 60s definitely was successful in part because of "the whole world [was] watching" — the US was trumpeting its values around the world with the hypocrisy of Jim Crow going on. And now unfortunately we see that as terrible Jim Crow was, the promise of Northern cities that drew so many people from the South wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

DrAlphaeus wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good for Melo and anyone one else that can help calm things down and prevent loss of life and property damage. He may be fat, he may be selfish (he should be marching with MDA and LIN)and ruined our lives but he is a positive role model in Balitimore and his efforts are for the greater good! Photo ops are part of being involved good or bad!

I don't totally disagree, but as far as I know the only loss of life that occurred was the homicide the cops committed that started the demonstrations. It was announced this morning that the DA is charging the cops involved with homicide.

They should be charged if it is proven to have been unprevoked and Gray did not commit a crime this time. This case is a little different than the other ridiculous cases we've seen this year I have to say.

I'm just sick of it all and want racism to end. Remove "Race" from all government forms. There is only one race. We are all humans. Dogs come in all colors but we still see them as dogs and nothing else. Something went array years ago but it has to change now. I feel like we have gone backwards after everything that has happened this year and the media is trying to divide the nation for their own personal gains and the government has failed to do its job in uniting the people of America. In fact I think they Want to divide the nation. So much arguing between republicans and democrats. Get rid of political parties. Let's just try to come to a mutual agreement. I bet if we all got down to the basics all our political views and needs would line up perfectly. Why be forced to pick a side even when you don't agree with everything. I hope we figure it out one day

i don't think it's been happening any more than it used to. this **** has always happened. We are just finally seeing it because of social media spreading the word. the media wasn't going to cover this until people lit up twitter with videos of the shootings and eye witnesses finally having a place to go be heard.

i think twitter is bad for a lot of things, but i think it is actually really good for spreading information about what is really happening. it finally gives a way for people to see this stuff that has been going on for a long long time.

it's like the rodney king case - certainly not the first time the cops roughed up a suspect, but it may have been the first time it was caught on video. people saw that and they were shocked. sort of like how people saw images from vietnam and it was the first time people saw a true vision of our military in a foreign country. that stuff is shocking to see. will it lead to change? who knows. i really hope so. but i think the fact that people are more aware of what is happening all the time in this country is a good thing, because you need to be aware of a problem to fix it.

+1. Civil rights movement in the 60s definitely was successful in part because of "the whole world [was] watching" — the US was trumpeting its values around the world with the hypocrisy of Jim Crow going on. And now unfortunately we see that as terrible Jim Crow was, the promise of Northern cities that drew so many people from the South wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

Yeah, agreed. Have you heard of this book the New Jim Crow? It's about how prisons are used as essentially the new Jim Crow laws - unfair incarcerations, crazy and sad stuff. To be honest, I had to put it down halfway through because it was so upsetting, but definitely a powerful book. I hope to have the guts to finish it some day soon: http://newjimcrow.com/praise-for-the-new-jim-crow

crzymdups wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good for Melo and anyone one else that can help calm things down and prevent loss of life and property damage. He may be fat, he may be selfish (he should be marching with MDA and LIN)and ruined our lives but he is a positive role model in Balitimore and his efforts are for the greater good! Photo ops are part of being involved good or bad!

I don't totally disagree, but as far as I know the only loss of life that occurred was the homicide the cops committed that started the demonstrations. It was announced this morning that the DA is charging the cops involved with homicide.

They should be charged if it is proven to have been unprevoked and Gray did not commit a crime this time. This case is a little different than the other ridiculous cases we've seen this year I have to say.

I'm just sick of it all and want racism to end. Remove "Race" from all government forms. There is only one race. We are all humans. Dogs come in all colors but we still see them as dogs and nothing else. Something went array years ago but it has to change now. I feel like we have gone backwards after everything that has happened this year and the media is trying to divide the nation for their own personal gains and the government has failed to do its job in uniting the people of America. In fact I think they Want to divide the nation. So much arguing between republicans and democrats. Get rid of political parties. Let's just try to come to a mutual agreement. I bet if we all got down to the basics all our political views and needs would line up perfectly. Why be forced to pick a side even when you don't agree with everything. I hope we figure it out one day

i don't think it's been happening any more than it used to. this **** has always happened. We are just finally seeing it because of social media spreading the word. the media wasn't going to cover this until people lit up twitter with videos of the shootings and eye witnesses finally having a place to go be heard.

i think twitter is bad for a lot of things, but i think it is actually really good for spreading information about what is really happening. it finally gives a way for people to see this stuff that has been going on for a long long time.

it's like the rodney king case - certainly not the first time the cops roughed up a suspect, but it may have been the first time it was caught on video. people saw that and they were shocked. sort of like how people saw images from vietnam and it was the first time people saw a true vision of our military in a foreign country. that stuff is shocking to see. will it lead to change? who knows. i really hope so. but i think the fact that people are more aware of what is happening all the time in this country is a good thing, because you need to be aware of a problem to fix it.

+1. Civil rights movement in the 60s definitely was successful in part because of "the whole world [was] watching" — the US was trumpeting its values around the world with the hypocrisy of Jim Crow going on. And now unfortunately we see that as terrible Jim Crow was, the promise of Northern cities that drew so many people from the South wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

Yeah, agreed. Have you heard of this book the New Jim Crow? It's about how prisons are used as essentially the new Jim Crow laws - unfair incarcerations, crazy and sad stuff. To be honest, I had to put it down halfway through because it was so upsetting, but definitely a powerful book. I hope to have the guts to finish it some day soon: http://newjimcrow.com/praise-for-the-new-jim-crow

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good for Melo and anyone one else that can help calm things down and prevent loss of life and property damage. He may be fat, he may be selfish (he should be marching with MDA and LIN)and ruined our lives but he is a positive role model in Balitimore and his efforts are for the greater good! Photo ops are part of being involved good or bad!

I don't totally disagree, but as far as I know the only loss of life that occurred was the homicide the cops committed that started the demonstrations. It was announced this morning that the DA is charging the cops involved with homicide.

They should be charged if it is proven to have been unprevoked and Gray did not commit a crime this time. This case is a little different than the other ridiculous cases we've seen this year I have to say.

I'm just sick of it all and want racism to end. Remove "Race" from all government forms. There is only one race. We are all humans. Dogs come in all colors but we still see them as dogs and nothing else. Something went array years ago but it has to change now. I feel like we have gone backwards after everything that has happened this year and the media is trying to divide the nation for their own personal gains and the government has failed to do its job in uniting the people of America. In fact I think they Want to divide the nation. So much arguing between republicans and democrats. Get rid of political parties. Let's just try to come to a mutual agreement. I bet if we all got down to the basics all our political views and needs would line up perfectly. Why be forced to pick a side even when you don't agree with everything. I hope we figure it out one day

i don't think it's been happening any more than it used to. this **** has always happened. We are just finally seeing it because of social media spreading the word. the media wasn't going to cover this until people lit up twitter with videos of the shootings and eye witnesses finally having a place to go be heard.

i think twitter is bad for a lot of things, but i think it is actually really good for spreading information about what is really happening. it finally gives a way for people to see this stuff that has been going on for a long long time.

it's like the rodney king case - certainly not the first time the cops roughed up a suspect, but it may have been the first time it was caught on video. people saw that and they were shocked. sort of like how people saw images from vietnam and it was the first time people saw a true vision of our military in a foreign country. that stuff is shocking to see. will it lead to change? who knows. i really hope so. but i think the fact that people are more aware of what is happening all the time in this country is a good thing, because you need to be aware of a problem to fix it.

+1. Civil rights movement in the 60s definitely was successful in part because of "the whole world [was] watching" — the US was trumpeting its values around the world with the hypocrisy of Jim Crow going on. And now unfortunately we see that as terrible Jim Crow was, the promise of Northern cities that drew so many people from the South wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

Yeah, agreed. Have you heard of this book the New Jim Crow? It's about how prisons are used as essentially the new Jim Crow laws - unfair incarcerations, crazy and sad stuff. To be honest, I had to put it down halfway through because it was so upsetting, but definitely a powerful book. I hope to have the guts to finish it some day soon: http://newjimcrow.com/praise-for-the-new-jim-crow

this is the reason Im pro legalizing drugs. Maybe not all, but certainly pot. I wasnt at first, thinking its just another thing people will screw up (cant even handle booze). But the laws arent fairly enforced. The drug laws are just an avenue to accomplish what your talking about above. All law enforcement has to do is say "I smell pot" when they pull you over and the illegal search begins. Who smokes pot demographically in the US? Everyone. Who gets locked up for it? Blacks.

I agree but everyone gets locked up. It all depends if they have the money to post bail or family to bail them out. A lot of these guys don't have he money for bail and lawyers unless they are dealing right?

GustavBahler wrote:In many inner city communities, mostly African American residents cant hang out in front of their homes without being told by cops to move along, or they're stopped and frisked for no reason other than being Black, or Latino. Too often trouble finds them, not the other way around.

That's why I hope that one day something positive is done to change that perspective. The criminals in these cities are ruining everything for the decent folks. I think I that is more of an issue than police corruption. Although as we've all pointed out the police have to tighten up the ship Nd be reformed nationwide. There should be no bad apples in police departments. They are human and make mistakes but they once they put on that uniform they need to understand they are held to a higher standard. They need to look into these cops background growing up. A lot of these guys were either bullies or bullied as kids and they feel invincible once they put on their uniforms. Mental illness is real and not enough funds and attention is paid

gunsnewing wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

Nalod wrote:
Good for Melo and anyone one else that can help calm things down and prevent loss of life and property damage. He may be fat, he may be selfish (he should be marching with MDA and LIN)and ruined our lives but he is a positive role model in Balitimore and his efforts are for the greater good! Photo ops are part of being involved good or bad!

I don't totally disagree, but as far as I know the only loss of life that occurred was the homicide the cops committed that started the demonstrations. It was announced this morning that the DA is charging the cops involved with homicide.

They should be charged if it is proven to have been unprevoked and Gray did not commit a crime this time. This case is a little different than the other ridiculous cases we've seen this year I have to say.

I'm just sick of it all and want racism to end. Remove "Race" from all government forms. There is only one race. We are all humans. Dogs come in all colors but we still see them as dogs and nothing else. Something went array years ago but it has to change now. I feel like we have gone backwards after everything that has happened this year and the media is trying to divide the nation for their own personal gains and the government has failed to do its job in uniting the people of America. In fact I think they Want to divide the nation. So much arguing between republicans and democrats. Get rid of political parties. Let's just try to come to a mutual agreement. I bet if we all got down to the basics all our political views and needs would line up perfectly. Why be forced to pick a side even when you don't agree with everything. I hope we figure it out one day

i don't think it's been happening any more than it used to. this **** has always happened. We are just finally seeing it because of social media spreading the word. the media wasn't going to cover this until people lit up twitter with videos of the shootings and eye witnesses finally having a place to go be heard.

i think twitter is bad for a lot of things, but i think it is actually really good for spreading information about what is really happening. it finally gives a way for people to see this stuff that has been going on for a long long time.

it's like the rodney king case - certainly not the first time the cops roughed up a suspect, but it may have been the first time it was caught on video. people saw that and they were shocked. sort of like how people saw images from vietnam and it was the first time people saw a true vision of our military in a foreign country. that stuff is shocking to see. will it lead to change? who knows. i really hope so. but i think the fact that people are more aware of what is happening all the time in this country is a good thing, because you need to be aware of a problem to fix it.

+1. Civil rights movement in the 60s definitely was successful in part because of "the whole world [was] watching" — the US was trumpeting its values around the world with the hypocrisy of Jim Crow going on. And now unfortunately we see that as terrible Jim Crow was, the promise of Northern cities that drew so many people from the South wasn't all it was cracked up to be.

Yeah, agreed. Have you heard of this book the New Jim Crow? It's about how prisons are used as essentially the new Jim Crow laws - unfair incarcerations, crazy and sad stuff. To be honest, I had to put it down halfway through because it was so upsetting, but definitely a powerful book. I hope to have the guts to finish it some day soon: http://newjimcrow.com/praise-for-the-new-jim-crow

this is the reason Im pro legalizing drugs. Maybe not all, but certainly pot. I wasnt at first, thinking its just another thing people will screw up (cant even handle booze). But the laws arent fairly enforced. The drug laws are just an avenue to accomplish what your talking about above. All law enforcement has to do is say "I smell pot" when they pull you over and the illegal search begins. Who smokes pot demographically in the US? Everyone. Who gets locked up for it? Blacks.

I agree but everyone gets locked up. It all depends if they have the money to post bail or family to bail them out. A lot of these guys don't have he money for bail and lawyers unless they are dealing right?

Everyone doesn't get locked up equally. Seriously, check out the New Jim Crow book. 1 in 3 black men from ages 18 to 40 in this country has been arrested at some point. It's not arrested for crimes - it's like in that David Simon article. They get arrested for looking at a cop funny, walking down the wrong street at the wrong time, so cops can keep their stats up to get overtime and promotions. Plant drugs, make up a minor charge, jaywalking whatever. They call these arrests "humbles" and it's so they can get a lot of arrests and rack up overtime pay and get promoted for looking like they're doing a lot of work. The system is broken. It's broken a lot of other ways, too, but rewarding cops for making spurious arrests has got to stop.

And it was proven that stop and frisk in NYC was totally racially driven. It was racial profiling.