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Someone explain to me how Justice Winslow is better than Shabazz Muhammed?
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5/9/2015  2:53 PM
I wonder what type of deal Josh Smith would be seeking and able to get this summer, as he continues to get payed his full contract from Detroit on the buyout

I can see Smith playing a smiliar role to Lamar Odom did for the Lakers in the Triangle if we can acquire young talents like Shabazz, Wroten, our draft pick, d league callups, using our future draft picks in trades, undrafted FA's, and finish it in FA with the rise of the cap in 2017

At about 5m a year, I think Smith could be a huge steal

If Houston does have interest in CA, Corey Brewer *about 5m* is another talent that looks to attack the rim or be used as an asset for 2 2nd rounder or or future 1st rounder as well
In addition to

Terrence Jones/DMO
Memphis 1st rounder this summer
NYK's 2nd rounder this summer and next summer, Portlands 2017 2nd rounder
Houston owns all of their draft 1st rounders outside of this summers, making all picks 2017 and after tradaeable...

If we can get a combination of the above, while some salary throw ins like our former 2nd rounder at an unguaranteed deal of about 5m, Koustas Pap, and even taking Pablo back for salary purposes with 150% rule along with Terry in a sign and trade and partial guarantee for 1st year only....

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5/9/2015  2:58 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2015  3:21 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
RonRon wrote:I wouldn't trade our pick this summer for Shabazz or the backup PG in Atlanta

However, I would consider trading our future 1st rounders for them or other assets we may acquire in our future
Even taking back salary in the process, like Pekovic if we got rid of Calderon, while expecting an amnesty in the works after the next CBA in 2017 that players union and teams will both agree upon as they both benefit from it....

As for Winslow and Shabazz, Winslow has the potential to be the more complete player, and Shabazz has the likelyhood of being the better OFFENSIVE player
It depends on how we fill the rest of the roster up and their FITS in the system with the strengths of the team/players along with their weakness's.....

If I could get Muhhammed Schroeder Taveras and pick 31 for pick #3 (If Towns and Ok4 are gone) it would take me a second to think about it. Maybe Justice ends up a little better than Shabazz? but the cumulative package is light years better than Winslow. That would give us a 7-3 mobile agile C and the quickest on ball PG in the league who could be an all star in his own right some day. Then I get a 20 point scorer to go with Carmelo and pick 31 which is a hammer pick. And Im not doing much guess work here--I already see what Schreoder and Muhammed can do proven.


<<<...cumulative package is light years better than Winslow.
>>>


I cannot believe what I am hearing here,
Have you watched Winslow the past 2 years at all ?

Muhammed ?
why all of a sudden from a bad Minny Wolves team Shabazz stats cant be judge on 1 bad team poor season
additionally this man hasnt even played near full 70 of 82 game regular season.

Let Mr. Shabbazz have another NBA year against the nba competion so
folks can get a true grid of what kind of player this guy really is.

For 1 thing he isnt durable and that wont keep Shabbazz on the floor to be any gage of value to any NBA team

Do you want a Knick to have a guy whom aint going to be on floor for 1/2 the time?

Regarding 20pt scorer, this isnt going to be fact
when same player goes vs. top nba defensive teams.

When Mr Shabazz becomes a nba allstar we'll then here about 20pt /gm
until then its N/A

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5/9/2015  4:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2015  4:06 PM
Depending on the ping pong balls,

Atlanta has picks

15, 50, 59

Wolves has picks

1, 31, 36

Philly has picks

3, 35, 37, 47, 58, 60

Tony Wroten
Robert Covington
Thomas Robinson
Glen Robinson III
Hollis Thompson, Ish Smith, Isiah Cannon,
Jakarr Samspon, Grant

Lakers has picks

4 and 34

Houston has picks

18, 32, and Terrence Jones/DMO/Brewer/Koustas Pap *for salary reasons unguaranteed* with 150% rule

Cleveland has picks

24 and 53

Bulls has picks

22

Golden State has picks

30


Detroit has picks

8 and 38

Reggie Jackson, Greg Monroe, Spencer Dwinwidie


There are so many possible ways to improve our team but it would probably be better to have a better idea after 10 days to see how to ping pong balls fall
Whether we will be building a team with CA or taking bad contracts for more assets which would likely lead to a trade for CA to a contender
There is also the chance that we could deal our pick for Greg Monroe and Reggie Jackson, Spencer Dwinwiddie, and their 2nd rounder to team up with CA, while Detroit could try to acquire Draymond Green and Ajinicia while Brandon Jennings recovers and their combo guard, Jodie Meeks, with our draft pick, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Drummond

Regardless it would be at minimum a 2-3year plan for us to be possible legit contenders with CA, though it could be faster if we are able to do better spend our cap and acquire assets, while focusing on development next season, and finishing it with the rise of the cap in 2017 and 2018

I see no chance that Atlanta will give Dennis Schroedder, especially with Teague's injury concerns who is more likely to be traded than Schroedder..
if our 1 draft pick and a future 1st rounder could land us, if we win the #1 draft pick, I would still considering trading down if teams go on a bidding war and overpay for it...

especially if we can acquire 2 of the talents below and using our cap space for BIGS

Mudiay/Russell

Henzoja/Winslow

Tavaris, Shabazz Muhammed, Tony Wroten *buy low only with his injury*, are all gambles I wouldn't mind taking, while getting multiple 2nd rounders for our draft pick and a future 1st as well
Tim Hardaway was a horrible draft pick in addition to the trade for AB, in which both cost set us years back with our other poor decisions....

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5/9/2015  4:10 PM
There are a LOT of similarities between the players.

The point of the post was--is there a possibility we could offer Minnesota a future 1 or something else in a mutli asset trade which could bring him here as it seems Wiggins is there 2-3.

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5/9/2015  4:55 PM
Tobias Harris is better than Shabazz and Winslow has more upside than Harris
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5/9/2015  7:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2015  7:18 PM
BRIGGS wrote:There are a LOT of similarities between the players.

The point of the post was--is there a possibility we could offer Minnesota a future 1 or something else in a mutli asset trade which could bring him here as it seems Wiggins is there 2-3.

I like both players.....And I think Winslow has that All Star potential, if he comes in the league and focus on basketball and getting better. He has the skill range on offense and defense. Attacks the basket and shoots the three. And doesn't dominate the ball. I like Russell, he's a much shooter and scorer. But I wouldn't be surprised if Winslow turns out to be the best player in the draft. Hanging with Melo is a good sign.

http://theknicksblog.com/knicks/carmelo-anthony-justise-winslow-catch-yankees-game-together/

Carmelo Anthony & Justise Winslow catch Yankees game together
May 9th, 2015 1:06 pm

Keith Schlosser, Lead Writer

On Friday night, Knicks’ star Carmelo Anthony was seen taking in the Yankees game, sitting next to Duke national champion Justise Winslow, a widely speculated top-five pick in next month’s NBA Draft.
Melo Suns

Should New York fall to, say, fourth or fifth in the draft and lose out on a big man like Jahlil Okafor and/or Karl Anthony-Towns, Winslow’s immense versatility should garner him consideration to get snagged by the Knicks instead.

Winslow is an athletic wing who prides himself in attacking each and every game with the utmost of energy. A true fireball on both ends of the court, he can shoot, drive to the basket, and defend an array of different positions. He’d certainly aid in opening things up on the floor in the triangle offense.
It certainly wouldn’t hurt if the young gun has an advocate or ally in Anthony come draft time.

Earlier this month, we at TheKnicksBlog.com explored the pros and cons to Winslow’s game, and what it would mean and/or take for New York to consider selecting him before someone like D’Angelo Russell or Emmanuel Mudiay.

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5/9/2015  7:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 5/9/2015  8:02 PM
Winslow with the #1 pick? I'm just the messenger. But I like him after Towns. Russel and OK4 are both solid, but Winslow seems like the dark horse in this draft.

http://www.newsweek.com/chief-justise-why-dukes-justise-winslow-should-be-nba-drafts-top-pick-319572

Between now and the NBA draft in late June you will probably not hear one expert refer to this 6-foot-6 Adonis as the most talented player in the draft. But you may hear a few souls, myself and Grantland’s Mark Titus, a former bench-sitter at Ohio State, among them, tout Winslow as a worthy No. 1 overall pick in the draft.

In case you are not familiar with Winslow, he just turned 19 years old last week. When he arrived on campus in Durham last summer, he was considered the third-best freshman on the Blue Devil roster. Tyus Jones was considered the best first-year point guard in the nation, while center Jahlil Okafor was thought to be the No. 1 overall player in the country and projected to be the top overall pick in next June’s draft.

When the season dawned last November, Winslow may have been the third-best freshman/player on coach Mike Krzyzewski’s roster. Nearly five months later, though, he has evolved into a primal force of nature, a Maximus of the hardwood, a fitting antidote to ESPN’s I Hate Christian Laettner documentary. Like Jordan or Kobe Bryant or, before them, Magic Johnson—again, all comparisons here refer to will and not statistics—Winslow does not simply play games; he attacks them.

In last weekend’s two South regional contests (in Winslow’s hometown of Houston), he averaged 18.5 points and 7.5 rebounds per game. The 6-foot-11 Okafor, whom many still regard as, at worst, the second pick in the draft, averaged 7.5 points and eight rebounds. True, Okafor was often double-teamed, but if you just allowed the games to wash over you, as opposed to refreshing your computer screen for updated stats, you noticed how much Winslow imparted his will on the proceedings: blocking shots from behind, grabbing defensive rebounds and leading fast breaks (very Magic-like), or even shooting five of eight from beyond the arc.

Yes, it’s a two-game sample. But if you have been watching college basketball all season (which is to say “since the Super Bowl ended,” which is to say “since the Seahawks coaching staff got too smart for its own good and failed to hand the ball to Lynch from one yard away for a second consecutive Vince Lombardi Trophy”), you’ve noticed that Winslow has steadily closed the gap in the disparity between his talent and his will.

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Duke Blue Devils forward Justise Winslow (12) during practice for the 2015 NCAA Men's Division I Championship semi-final game at Lucas Oil Stadium BOB DONNAN-USA TODAY SPORTS/REUTERS
I first sat up and noticed Winslow in a game from Cameron Indoor Stadium on the Saturday following the Super Bowl. The Blue Devils, who had lost at Notre Dame not a fortnight earlier, were hosting the Fighting Irish. While Okafor sat on the bench for 12 minutes of the first half due to foul trouble, Winslow led an assault on the Domers. At one point, against a team that would later take Kentucky to a final shot, the Blue Devils led 43-13.

It was love at first sight for me. I loved Winslow’s grit. Loved his charisma. Loved his physique. I even loved his name (“And Justise for all!”). This, as others before me have noted, was a Dookie that even those who loathe Duke had no trouble rooting for.

The New York Knicks have the best chance at landing the No. 1 overall pick, and general manager Phil Jackson will be under tremendous pressure to select either Okafor or Kentucky’s gifted 7-footer, Karl-Anthony Towns. Both are supremely gifted, and very tall. However, I believe Winslow will be the more transformative pick.

Look around. In its first 30 or so seasons, the NBA was a big man’s league. The teams that won the NBA Finals almost always had dominant centers: George Mikan’s Minneapolis Lakers begat Bill Russell’s Boston Celtics, which begat the Wilt Chamberlain versus Kareem era. The Portland Trail Blazers won an NBA championship with Bill Walton and would have won more if Big Red’s feet had not blazed an unwanted trail of chronic injuries.

Then two things happened: 1) the introduction of the three-point arc and 2) the advent of the Magic versus Larry era. While there have certainly been dominant centers since 1980 or so—Moses Malone, Hakeem Olajuwon, Shaquille O’Neal and Tim Duncan, most notably—the game ceased to find itself under the tyranny of the Goliaths. Larry and Magic and Michael Jordan all won more NBA championships than Malone or Olajuwon, while Shaq always had Kobe.

Duncan may be the most gifted player of the post-Jordan era, but he was also surrounded by a couple of Hall of Famers in Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili, and benefited from a coach, Gregg Popovich, who installed a Euro-style offense that prioritizes passing over ego.

More recently, in the past decade, post players such as Towns and Okafor have become even less impactful in terms of NBA titles. Sure, you need a rim protector: The Cavaliers would not be in this spring’s championship discussion had they not acquired Timofey Mozgov, but they wouldn’t even merit a mention without LeBron James and Kyrie Irving.

Who are the NBA’s four most outstanding performers this season? Stephen Curry, James Harden, LeBron James and Russell Westbrook. All four create off the dribble, shoot well from beyond the arc and impact a game that has become more wide open and aesthetically pleasing (former Phoenix Suns coach Mike D’Antoni says, “You’re welcome”) in a variety of ways beyond just points scored. The era of Shaq backing down his man and using brute strength is, thankfully, behind us.

Remember when critics knocked Kevin Durant as a potential No. 1 overall pick because the Texas freshman was reportedly unable to bench-press 135 pounds? In retrospect, we should have hailed the moment when basketball skills returned to the fore over brute strength. The Trail Blazers selected a post player, Greg Oden, that season. The Sonics-now-Thunder chose Durant second. We all know how that worked out.

Winslow just turned 19 one week ago, but he is already more athletic than Curry will ever be. Like LeBron or Harden or Westbrook, he defies a position label. He’s not strictly a 2 (shooting guard) or a 3 (wing) or even a 4 (power forward) in the NBA. What he is, if you are a connoisseur of roundball, is someone who creates headaches for opposing coaches.

A reminder: In 1984 Charles Barkley was a mesmerizing talent, but the Auburn power forward stood not quite 6-foot-5 and therefore defied convention. Barkley was cut from the U.S. Olympic team that would win the gold medal in Los Angeles. Vern Fleming, Leon Wood (now an NBA official) and Jeff Turner were on that roster. Eight years later, on an Olympic team that included MJ, Bird and Magic, it was Barkley who was clearly the most charismatic presence, if not the best player in that tournament.

It will be intriguing if the Knicks win the No. 1 overall pick. Jackson’s early 1970s Knickerbocker teams defeated the Goliath that was Chamberlain twice in winning a pair of NBA championships behind a center, Willis Reed, who stood 6-foot-9. In 1985 the Knicks selected No. 1 overall and chose a center, Patrick Ewing, who may be the most talented player in franchise history but never led them to a championship.

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5/9/2015  8:26 PM
if we don't get the first two slots i hope jackson can somehow get winslow and kaminsky
knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/10/2015  3:43 PM
dk7th wrote:if we don't get the first two slots i hope jackson can somehow get winslow and kaminsky

Shev
Mathews
winslow
Melo
Monroe

Kaminsky 6th man

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blkexec wrote:
dk7th wrote:if we don't get the first two slots i hope jackson can somehow get winslow and kaminsky

Shev
Mathews
winslow
Melo
Monroe
Kaminsky 6th man

matthews as in the kid from portland? didn't he tear his achilles? that's a tough one to come back from-- you can lose a half step and some lift.

also you have shved, matthews, and winslow all around 6'5" to 6'6" with melo who is shy of 6'8". is that a smallish team?

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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5/11/2015  12:02 AM
If you want Shabazz on the Knicks its possible but your going to have to eat some bad contracts. You get David Lee from Golden State without this
years first but ask for a future first round pick, trade Lee to Minny for Pekovic and Muhammed. Pekovic's contract is terrible, he's Monroe light but
its the price you pay if you want Shabazz. If Minnesota gets Towns or Okafor they would do this in a heartbeat. If they get the 3rd or 4th pick
they send Muhammed and Rubio plus a future 1st round pick. Rubio's contract is even worse then Pekovic's. Just an idea.
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5/11/2015  6:29 AM
dk7th wrote:
blkexec wrote:
dk7th wrote:if we don't get the first two slots i hope jackson can somehow get winslow and kaminsky

Shev
Mathews
winslow
Melo
Monroe
Kaminsky 6th man

matthews as in the kid from portland? didn't he tear his achilles? that's a tough one to come back from-- you can lose a half step and some lift.

also you have shved, matthews, and winslow all around 6'5" to 6'6" with melo who is shy of 6'8". is that a smallish team?

Depends on your perspective......The guards are tall. Melo plays big. And it depends on the center position. But with Kaminsky on the team, you have flexibility to use a taller lineup with him at PF. I think if we want to win it all, you need to have the ability of a small and a big lineup. This is why GS is struggling against Memphis. They don't have a big lineup to matchup the Griz size.

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5/12/2015  11:25 PM
Knicks still need to rid themselves of
Baggage such as Andrea Barnani Or whatever his name is, during the draft period or summer trade movements
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Someone explain to me how Justice Winslow is better than Shabazz Muhammed?

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