nixluva wrote:

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I think this is also why we may see THJ traded. He's simply a player that doesn't give you enough at the other parts of the game. If THJ isn't scoring at a high clip he's useless. He may still have some value in the eyes of another team.

I also liked Phil's statements on being smart in Free Agency. Not gonna go bargain basement but doesn't sound like he's gonna blow his whole stash on one expensive guy.

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Phil has said all the right things. He also traded away the entire core of our team and didn't get a single first round pick back.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Every single year bad teams point to the teams with good records and say they want to emulate them. Phil's comments are nothing new. Let's see what he actually does.

Phil has said all the right things. He also traded away the entire core of our team and didn't get a single first round pick back.

PLEASE! The 1st rd picks thing isn't the end all, be all of revamping your team. This isn't just about cliche's. This is about this team having a chance to refashion the top of the roster. This is not your typical bad team situation. We have a slightly different approach this summer. We'll be building for right now and the future. Often teams at the bottom start from scratch with nothing but a couple of kids the just drafted. That isn't what we'll be doing. We already have some talent on board.

This summer is going to be about bringing in quality players who make sense together. We have needs at key spots in our Starting Lineup, so it's not hard to figure out who we may end up targeting. Phil has already made hints that this team needs Bigs which isn't a new flash. There are several means to add bigs to the roster in both the draft and Free Agency.

I've been saying this over and over but teams win with their top 6 players for the most part. That's who carries the load. Just look at the Hawks top 6 and their minutes played.

Hawks
Player	          Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48 ▾		
Al Horford	  28	69	2131	20.8	.555	4.5	3.2	7.7	.173	
Paul Millsap	  29	70	2322	20.3	.571	4.0	4.1	8.1	.168	
Jeff Teague	  26	66	2043	20.6	.569	4.7	2.4	7.1	.168
Kyle Korver	  33	68	2227	14.7	.704	4.5	2.2	6.7	.145				
DeMarre Carroll	  28	63	1988	15.5	.599	3.7	2.5	6.2	.150
Dennis Schroder	  21	72	1420	15.7	.512	1.1	1.3	2.4	.082
Kent Bazemore	  25	67	1168	9.8	.531	-0.3	1.7	1.4	.056	
Mike Scott	  26	62	982	15.2	.549	1.5	0.9	2.4	.115
Pero Antic	  32	57	946	9.7	.509	0.5	0.9	1.4	.072	
Thabo Sefolosha	  30	49	909	13.5	.499	0.7	1.6	2.2	.117
Shelvin Mack	  24	47	687	12.1	.478	0.2	0.6	0.8	.056	
Elton Brand	  35	29	406	9.8	.448	0.0	0.7	0.7	.078
Mike Muscala	  23	32	313	18.9	.579	0.8	0.4	1.2	.180
John Jenkins	  23	19	224	16.3	.678	0.5	0.2	0.7	.157	
Austin Daye	  26	4	26	14.2	.545	0.1	0.0	0.1	.152	
Adreian Payne	  23	3	19	2.9	.317	0.0	0.0	0.0	-0.040	

People talk about depth, which is very true, but we have to start with the core of the rotation first. That's what Phil will be doing this summer. Starting 5 and hopefully a 6th man is the 1st step this summer. Then we try to continue to develop players and look to add more talent depth in the future.

But thats not the hard part. The hard part is the building it. It will be interesting to say the least.

fishmike wrote:

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Every single year bad teams point to the teams with good records and say they want to emulate them. Phil's comments are nothing new. Let's see what he actually does.

Phil has said all the right things. He also traded away the entire core of our team and didn't get a single first round pick back.

PLEASE! The 1st rd picks thing isn't the end all, be all of revamping your team. This isn't just about cliche's. This is about this team having a chance to refashion the top of the roster. This is not your typical bad team situation. We have a slightly different approach this summer. We'll be building for right now and the future. Often teams at the bottom start from scratch with nothing but a couple of kids the just drafted. That isn't what we'll be doing. We already have some talent on board.

This summer is going to be about bringing in quality players who make sense together. We have needs at key spots in our Starting Lineup, so it's not hard to figure out who we may end up targeting. Phil has already made hints that this team needs Bigs which isn't a new flash. There are several means to add bigs to the roster in both the draft and Free Agency.

I've been saying this over and over but teams win with their top 6 players for the most part. That's who carries the load. Just look at the Hawks top 6 and their minutes played.

Hawks
Player	          Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48 ▾		
Al Horford	  28	69	2131	20.8	.555	4.5	3.2	7.7	.173	
Paul Millsap	  29	70	2322	20.3	.571	4.0	4.1	8.1	.168	
Jeff Teague	  26	66	2043	20.6	.569	4.7	2.4	7.1	.168
Kyle Korver	  33	68	2227	14.7	.704	4.5	2.2	6.7	.145				
DeMarre Carroll	  28	63	1988	15.5	.599	3.7	2.5	6.2	.150
Dennis Schroder	  21	72	1420	15.7	.512	1.1	1.3	2.4	.082
Kent Bazemore	  25	67	1168	9.8	.531	-0.3	1.7	1.4	.056	
Mike Scott	  26	62	982	15.2	.549	1.5	0.9	2.4	.115
Pero Antic	  32	57	946	9.7	.509	0.5	0.9	1.4	.072	
Thabo Sefolosha	  30	49	909	13.5	.499	0.7	1.6	2.2	.117
Shelvin Mack	  24	47	687	12.1	.478	0.2	0.6	0.8	.056	
Elton Brand	  35	29	406	9.8	.448	0.0	0.7	0.7	.078
Mike Muscala	  23	32	313	18.9	.579	0.8	0.4	1.2	.180
John Jenkins	  23	19	224	16.3	.678	0.5	0.2	0.7	.157	
Austin Daye	  26	4	26	14.2	.545	0.1	0.0	0.1	.152	
Adreian Payne	  23	3	19	2.9	.317	0.0	0.0	0.0	-0.040	

People talk about depth, which is very true, but we have to start with the core of the rotation first. That's what Phil will be doing this summer. Starting 5 and hopefully a 6th man is the 1st step this summer. Then we try to continue to develop players and look to add more talent depth in the future.

from your keyboad to the basketball god's ears man... seeing is believing. Phil's done one half of the impossible, and thats tank, get Dolan to shutup and when he did talk he said "we are rebuilding."

But thats not the hard part. The hard part is the building it. It will be interesting to say the least.

nixluva wrote:

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Statements like this make me trust him less and less. Golden State has had a good defense for a few years now and were 4th defensively last season. Their biggest improvement has come on offense.

Moonangie wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:

fishmike wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

nixluva wrote:

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"both good, average and god awful. really mostly terrible."

Please be a pump and dump. please please please... I cant really say why I dislike him so much, maybe its his douchey old man and the fact that Timmy jr isnt half that player.. who knows. I would trade him in a heartbeat.

Nice to see he's looking for someone to get to the basket, hopefully dispelling belief that the long 2 is the shot of choice in this offense

Not sure why you call TH "douchey". I always had tons of respect for his game. He always came to play hard and he torched the Knicks. There was something about him that I just "liked", maybe his tenacity. Of course, he was the enemy, but I am the sort of Knicks fan who appreciates competitive qualities in my adversaries. I don't harbor ill will against those who prevented us from winning (MJ, Dream, etc.) I respect them for being better and/or trying harder.

Not sure what I think about THjr. He certianly sucked this season. But I think the jury is still out on him. Would I trade him now? Yes, if it helps the team get another pick, I'd trade him in a heartbeat.

Pump and dump seems a good plan for him. If he stays on the Knicks, he better do a better job preparing this summer.

Tim Sr. has made several public comments which paint him as a class A douchebag.

As for who you'd rather have playing for your team its Tim Sr by a landslide. Much better basketball player than THjr.

Wasn't aware of his douchey commentary. What sort of comments?

I don't know if he's made such basketball-related comments, but he said to Dan Le Batard in '07:

"I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people," Hardaway said. "I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States."

But he no longer feels that way, has walked back those comments for the last few years, supported Twin when he came out, and supported a marriage equality bill a couple years ago — all which I only learned today Googling for this post.

http://www.sbnation.com/2013/7/3/4491588/tim-hardaway-marriage-equality-in-Florida

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:

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This is a very important statement. For those who wonder about his focus for the team, this goes along with his other statements that he wants to improve this team's defense. We know we need to score but playing better D will go along with any added scoring.

I think this is also why we may see THJ traded. He's simply a player that doesn't give you enough at the other parts of the game. If THJ isn't scoring at a high clip he's useless. He may still have some value in the eyes of another team.

I also liked Phil's statements on being smart in Free Agency. Not gonna go bargain basement but doesn't sound like he's gonna blow his whole stash on one expensive guy.

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You sound more positive than phil. that comment about over paying is something he clearly is going to have to do. He has no leverage, he's not coaching, and he has a suspect coach.

He tried to sell the same thing about getting Melo to opt in last yr, or taking a home town discount. By the 3rd day of Free agency he was flying to LA with a max contract.

You ever meet a person who wants to help so bad but when he does he just fcks everything up. Phil has good intentions and I don't believe he's here just for the money, but the reality is, he dug this hole so deep, he's starting to resemble defeat.

This is a very clear path to improve the franchise and set up a positive direction. How are we in a bad spot when we have a great opportunity to bring in some better talent not only in the draft but in Free Agency?

And there's an advantage to having cash to spend this summer. Next summer, the new national television money kicks in, raising the salary cap (and providing newfound spending ability to all teams). Free agents have a vested interest in signing short-term deals this summer to build their value ahead of next year's cash grab, limiting the advantage their incumbent team typically has in being able to offer the most money and extra season in any deal, the result of controlling their player's Bird Rights.

Jackson acknowledged that the new marketplace creates both uncertainty and opportunity. And he maintained that the system he has the Knicks running should be a selling point to potential free agents, noting that many players this season expanded their repertoires, such as center Jason Smith extending his range and shooting three pointers, or burly forward Quincy Acy learning to handle the basketball.

"Guys can come here and understand they can play in a game that enhances their skills," Jackson said. "That part of it is one of the selling points of what we do. There are very few teams that are like that, because there are so many generic ways of playing this game. We have a unique style, and that attracts certain people."

And so the work begins—to add youth who can blend with experience, players who complement rather than overlap with what Carmelo Anthony does best, convincing free agents to buy into what the Knicks are about to do while ignoring the 17-65 mark from the just-concluded season. Expecting a championship "would be like talking crazy", Jackson said. But real, substantial progress, and a winning team, Jackson believes is within reach.

"[Knicks Director of Scouting John] Gabriel put on my desk," Jackson said. "A book documenting the ascension of teams—the Spurs to the 76ers, who have changed their luck in a matter of three years. Going from the bottom... but teams change rapidly in the NBA. And depending on the personnel and how things develop for them. Injuries play a part, certainly. But we are a league that's dominated by personalities, by talent. And with five players, getting two or three players of talent changes your direction quickly. And we've all seen that."

Moonangie wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/590541642177843201

This is a very important statement. For those who wonder about his focus for the team, this goes along with his other statements that he wants to improve this team's defense. We know we need to score but playing better D will go along with any added scoring.

I think this is also why we may see THJ traded. He's simply a player that doesn't give you enough at the other parts of the game. If THJ isn't scoring at a high clip he's useless. He may still have some value in the eyes of another team.

I also liked Phil's statements on being smart in Free Agency. Not gonna go bargain basement but doesn't sound like he's gonna blow his whole stash on one expensive guy.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/590545631204274178

You sound more positive than phil. that comment about over paying is something he clearly is going to have to do. He has no leverage, he's not coaching, and he has a suspect coach.

He tried to sell the same thing about getting Melo to opt in last yr, or taking a home town discount. By the 3rd day of Free agency he was flying to LA with a max contract.

You ever meet a person who wants to help so bad but when he does he just fcks everything up. Phil has good intentions and I don't believe he's here just for the money, but the reality is, he dug this hole so deep, he's starting to resemble defeat.

It's easy to paint this kind of narrative at this juncture and some in the Media are certainly on board with this. However, there is so much opportunity out in front of Phil not only this summer but going forward.

This is a very clear path to improve the franchise and set up a positive direction. How are we in a bad spot when we have a great opportunity to bring in some better talent not only in the draft but in Free Agency?

And there's an advantage to having cash to spend this summer. Next summer, the new national television money kicks in, raising the salary cap (and providing newfound spending ability to all teams). Free agents have a vested interest in signing short-term deals this summer to build their value ahead of next year's cash grab, limiting the advantage their incumbent team typically has in being able to offer the most money and extra season in any deal, the result of controlling their player's Bird Rights.

Jackson acknowledged that the new marketplace creates both uncertainty and opportunity. And he maintained that the system he has the Knicks running should be a selling point to potential free agents, noting that many players this season expanded their repertoires, such as center Jason Smith extending his range and shooting three pointers, or burly forward Quincy Acy learning to handle the basketball.

"Guys can come here and understand they can play in a game that enhances their skills," Jackson said. "That part of it is one of the selling points of what we do. There are very few teams that are like that, because there are so many generic ways of playing this game. We have a unique style, and that attracts certain people."

And so the work begins—to add youth who can blend with experience, players who complement rather than overlap with what Carmelo Anthony does best, convincing free agents to buy into what the Knicks are about to do while ignoring the 17-65 mark from the just-concluded season. Expecting a championship "would be like talking crazy", Jackson said. But real, substantial progress, and a winning team, Jackson believes is within reach.

"[Knicks Director of Scouting John] Gabriel put on my desk," Jackson said. "A book documenting the ascension of teams—the Spurs to the 76ers, who have changed their luck in a matter of three years. Going from the bottom... but teams change rapidly in the NBA. And depending on the personnel and how things develop for them. Injuries play a part, certainly. But we are a league that's dominated by personalities, by talent. And with five players, getting two or three players of talent changes your direction quickly. And we've all seen that."

The doomsayers will always paint it black, present the bleakest viewpoint and say we're in too deep and everything's effed up.

But the facts clearly point in the opposite direction: The bleakest point was when the Snake ran this team. Our immediate future is brighter than any point since 1994. Yeah, that's right, I left out '99.

Phil wants to build something lasting here. He's focused on that, not the BS the media and disgruntled fans like to spout. The draft pick is essential. If he trades it for vets, then I will change my tune and recognize Dolan's influence still manifests. Until then, I am giving Phil the benefit of the doubt.

Phil clearly wants to keep the pick and he's saying he'd only trade it if we fall to #5 and he gets an offer he can't refuse. Other than that I fully expect him to keep this pick.

I think some fans and the media simply don't understand what Phil and his staff are actually doing. I was watching an ESPN video with El Hassan making fun of Phil and saying he thinks Phil has no idea what he's doing and is making it up as he goes. This kind of thing is pervasive in the Media and really isn't close to the truth. We have legit basketball men in this front office. Mark Warkentien won Executive of the Year so Phil has real help in making decisions and organizing this franchise.

Phil has a clear plan to upgrade the top of the rotation which is really where teams win games. We need some good luck in the lottery and then take it from there.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/590541642177843201

This is a very important statement. For those who wonder about his focus for the team, this goes along with his other statements that he wants to improve this team's defense. We know we need to score but playing better D will go along with any added scoring.

I think this is also why we may see THJ traded. He's simply a player that doesn't give you enough at the other parts of the game. If THJ isn't scoring at a high clip he's useless. He may still have some value in the eyes of another team.

I also liked Phil's statements on being smart in Free Agency. Not gonna go bargain basement but doesn't sound like he's gonna blow his whole stash on one expensive guy.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/590545631204274178

You sound more positive than phil. that comment about over paying is something he clearly is going to have to do. He has no leverage, he's not coaching, and he has a suspect coach.

He tried to sell the same thing about getting Melo to opt in last yr, or taking a home town discount. By the 3rd day of Free agency he was flying to LA with a max contract.

You ever meet a person who wants to help so bad but when he does he just fcks everything up. Phil has good intentions and I don't believe he's here just for the money, but the reality is, he dug this hole so deep, he's starting to resemble defeat.

It's easy to paint this kind of narrative at this juncture and some in the Media are certainly on board with this. However, there is so much opportunity out in front of Phil not only this summer but going forward.

This is a very clear path to improve the franchise and set up a positive direction. How are we in a bad spot when we have a great opportunity to bring in some better talent not only in the draft but in Free Agency?

And there's an advantage to having cash to spend this summer. Next summer, the new national television money kicks in, raising the salary cap (and providing newfound spending ability to all teams). Free agents have a vested interest in signing short-term deals this summer to build their value ahead of next year's cash grab, limiting the advantage their incumbent team typically has in being able to offer the most money and extra season in any deal, the result of controlling their player's Bird Rights.

Jackson acknowledged that the new marketplace creates both uncertainty and opportunity. And he maintained that the system he has the Knicks running should be a selling point to potential free agents, noting that many players this season expanded their repertoires, such as center Jason Smith extending his range and shooting three pointers, or burly forward Quincy Acy learning to handle the basketball.

"Guys can come here and understand they can play in a game that enhances their skills," Jackson said. "That part of it is one of the selling points of what we do. There are very few teams that are like that, because there are so many generic ways of playing this game. We have a unique style, and that attracts certain people."

And so the work begins—to add youth who can blend with experience, players who complement rather than overlap with what Carmelo Anthony does best, convincing free agents to buy into what the Knicks are about to do while ignoring the 17-65 mark from the just-concluded season. Expecting a championship "would be like talking crazy", Jackson said. But real, substantial progress, and a winning team, Jackson believes is within reach.

"[Knicks Director of Scouting John] Gabriel put on my desk," Jackson said. "A book documenting the ascension of teams—the Spurs to the 76ers, who have changed their luck in a matter of three years. Going from the bottom... but teams change rapidly in the NBA. And depending on the personnel and how things develop for them. Injuries play a part, certainly. But we are a league that's dominated by personalities, by talent. And with five players, getting two or three players of talent changes your direction quickly. And we've all seen that."

There's like a lot of teams with major $$$ and better current talent.

look for your self

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2016/

The idea of a team having better current talent isn't really the issue. There's more to the equation than just that factor. Not to mention that there are a LOT of players in this FA Market. We already know that Agents are already talking to their clients about the new TV Contract money and how the league will be transformed by all the massive increase in Cap space.

You may not view NY as a good destination but I can assure you that Agents and Players don't agree with you. Agents will see NY as a great spot to send their clients in a revamped roster and with the ability for this team to continue to add talent in the future. You can get your money in Indiana or Orlando or you can get it in NY and a lot of players would prefer NY. It will only take one Free Agent to come on board to get the ball rolling.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/590541642177843201

This is a very important statement. For those who wonder about his focus for the team, this goes along with his other statements that he wants to improve this team's defense. We know we need to score but playing better D will go along with any added scoring.

I think this is also why we may see THJ traded. He's simply a player that doesn't give you enough at the other parts of the game. If THJ isn't scoring at a high clip he's useless. He may still have some value in the eyes of another team.

I also liked Phil's statements on being smart in Free Agency. Not gonna go bargain basement but doesn't sound like he's gonna blow his whole stash on one expensive guy.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/HerringWSJ/status/590545631204274178

You sound more positive than phil. that comment about over paying is something he clearly is going to have to do. He has no leverage, he's not coaching, and he has a suspect coach.

He tried to sell the same thing about getting Melo to opt in last yr, or taking a home town discount. By the 3rd day of Free agency he was flying to LA with a max contract.

You ever meet a person who wants to help so bad but when he does he just fcks everything up. Phil has good intentions and I don't believe he's here just for the money, but the reality is, he dug this hole so deep, he's starting to resemble defeat.

It's easy to paint this kind of narrative at this juncture and some in the Media are certainly on board with this. However, there is so much opportunity out in front of Phil not only this summer but going forward.

This is a very clear path to improve the franchise and set up a positive direction. How are we in a bad spot when we have a great opportunity to bring in some better talent not only in the draft but in Free Agency?

And there's an advantage to having cash to spend this summer. Next summer, the new national television money kicks in, raising the salary cap (and providing newfound spending ability to all teams). Free agents have a vested interest in signing short-term deals this summer to build their value ahead of next year's cash grab, limiting the advantage their incumbent team typically has in being able to offer the most money and extra season in any deal, the result of controlling their player's Bird Rights.

Jackson acknowledged that the new marketplace creates both uncertainty and opportunity. And he maintained that the system he has the Knicks running should be a selling point to potential free agents, noting that many players this season expanded their repertoires, such as center Jason Smith extending his range and shooting three pointers, or burly forward Quincy Acy learning to handle the basketball.

"Guys can come here and understand they can play in a game that enhances their skills," Jackson said. "That part of it is one of the selling points of what we do. There are very few teams that are like that, because there are so many generic ways of playing this game. We have a unique style, and that attracts certain people."

And so the work begins—to add youth who can blend with experience, players who complement rather than overlap with what Carmelo Anthony does best, convincing free agents to buy into what the Knicks are about to do while ignoring the 17-65 mark from the just-concluded season. Expecting a championship "would be like talking crazy", Jackson said. But real, substantial progress, and a winning team, Jackson believes is within reach.

"[Knicks Director of Scouting John] Gabriel put on my desk," Jackson said. "A book documenting the ascension of teams—the Spurs to the 76ers, who have changed their luck in a matter of three years. Going from the bottom... but teams change rapidly in the NBA. And depending on the personnel and how things develop for them. Injuries play a part, certainly. But we are a league that's dominated by personalities, by talent. And with five players, getting two or three players of talent changes your direction quickly. And we've all seen that."

There's like a lot of teams with major $$$ and better current talent.

look for your self

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/cap/2016/

I'm well aware of the teams with cap space. I've posted lists of the top teams myself this year. The thing is that not all teams will be buyers in this market and some teams will be focused on trying to retain their own star players this summer.

The idea of a team having better current talent isn't really the issue. There's more to the equation than just that factor. Not to mention that there are a LOT of players in this FA Market. We already know that Agents are already talking to their clients about the new TV Contract money and how the league will be transformed by all the massive increase in Cap space.

You may not view NY as a good destination but I can assure you that Agents and Players don't agree with you. Agents will see NY as a great spot to send their clients in a revamped roster and with the ability for this team to continue to add talent in the future. You can get your money in Indiana or Orlando or you can get it in NY and a lot of players would prefer NY. It will only take one Free Agent to come on board to get the ball rolling.

Come on Nix Im all for optimism but NY isnt the clear favorite destination for free agents IF we are being objective. Believe me i hope im wrong and we sign the best free agets but i can pretty much guaratee they arent looking at the knicks as a cotender next year. Now this doesnt mean we wont do well BUT lets be fair the reason would be cap space we have

Kosta Koufos is an example. Young enough to take his game to another level, but has been stuck behind some better players in the rotation. A guy like that would look at the Knicks as a great chance to elevate his game.

As for the big money guys we could only afford 1, and none are really ideal. Aldridge and Gasol would look great but both are 30 and will be hard pressed to turn down that 5th year at big money.