crzymdups wrote:jrodmc wrote:crzymdups wrote:jrodmc wrote:crzymdups wrote:jrodmc wrote:
Just curious, what is the comparison between Marbs and Melo? Melo sets scoring records, dives into chairs, goes to the second round of the playoffs on a 54-win team and speaks his mind. Marbs eats vaseline, makes deranged videos about IT's management prowess, and had a truck. How is Melo messed up and far worse off? I'm truly just asking.
Melo has missed the playoffs two years in a row, partially because of moves he and CAA endorsed. Cutting ties with Lin, bringing in Bargnani so Melo could go back to Small Forward - the coach and GM who wanted Melo to play PF and orchestrated that 54 win team were both fired. The GM was specifically fired for opposing the Bargnani trade that CAA demanded for Melo's sake. They haven't made the playoffs since CAA made the Knicks acquire Bargnani, since Glen Grunwald resigned because of that.
Every single player from that 54 win team is gone except Melo. That 54 win team was a looooong time ago. It's destruction is pretty much exactly what I was talking about re: the Garden enabling Melo and making life worse for him while trying to appease him and tell him he can do no wrong.
We missed the playoffs in the last week of the season last year, and this season was a CAA-sponsored tank job I suppose. CAA ensured Jose Calderon would be hurt and a flop this season, and ensured Cleanthony's ankles would continue to be problem. CAA is now running Phil Jackson?Most of the key players from the 54 win team were older than Bill Russell; Melo and CAA I guess are responsible for the aging process. FluTyson and JR made themselves expendable the very next season. Who are you left touting then? Ray HOF PG Felton and Iman Wait for It Shumpert? Bargs was brought in specifically to offset the great Mrs. Hibbert's display in the second round and was not really a 4 anyway. He was a CAA client in his own right, and barely ever saw a rebound he liked. Where did Bargs excel? At the 5, in place of FluTyson, defending people like Hibbert and DHow while chucking up an inordinate amount of threes.
Is Melo at fault because CAA forced Chris Smith on the Knicks too?
Please just tell me how any of this compares to Marbs tenure here.
I look around the league and I see 6 players from that 54 win season in the playoffs right now. Tyson Chandler and JR Smith are starting. Shumpert, Felton, Amar'e, Prigioni all have roles off the bench.
If Shump and JR (not to mention Mozgov) get rings this year I guess it's just more bad luck for the Knicks, huh.
and re: Chris Smith and the Knicks - you are making my point for me. I didn't say it was Melo's fault. I said it was the Garden's fault for enabling what are otherwise good guys. JR Smith absolutely falls into that category here. Signing Chris Smith was a total joke. And not JR's fault, either. It's the Knicks fault. Where do you see me blaming Melo. I'm blaming the Knicks management.
I absolutely think an NBA team can build a contender around the Carmelo Anthony. I absolutely doubt the Knicks are capable of it. They are the toxic ingredient in these relationships. And to be 100% clear - I am not blaming Phil, either. I am blaming Dolan and his cadre of yes men and enablers. Dolan Dolan Dolan. DOLAN. That is who is at fault and the Knicks will have to be very lucky indeed to get good with him lurking in the shadows.
See the latest useless FireWoodson Trivia Question thread for your Tyson's great, Amare's great, JR's great worldview. JR and Shump getting rings might just have something to do with three other guys, wouldn't it? Weak. If they had gotten traded to the Kings, would you have anything to talk about? I loathe guitar Jimmy as much as anyone, but please explain the lucky Rangers, if it's all DOLAN DOLAN DOLAN. I hear he's involved somehow while lurking with hockey, too.
And you still haven't explained how Melo ended up "far worse off" just like Marbles. You just keep pointing in different directions: Melo & CAA --> CAA --> Knicks --> Dolan
Melo is coming off knee surgery in a season where he was allowed (some might say ENABLED) to play in the all-star game on a bum knee and shoot 6-20... his team won 17 games... he has no good teammates... he has a rookie coach and a GM who barely attends games... are you seriously asking how the Garden's handling of Melo has made his situation worse? Look around, jrodmc. That smoke and debris you see used to be the New York Knicks.
Alright, I'm going to try this one more time.
Marbles made the playoffs once, created sleazy back pages, ended up getting removed from the lineup and was unceremoniously dumped from the team.
Melo has a 5 year max contract, made the playoffs multiple years with a team that hadn't sniffed the playoffs for years and has a rookie coach and a GM who both have several rings. His biggest back page fodder consists of him sharing his thoughts and charity work. And doing things like actually making the All Star team as a Knick, and stupid little things like dropping 62 points.
You're worried about how many games Phil attends? And we've had seasoned coaches like Larry Drive Through Brown, Pringles and IsoWoody, how did that work out for you?
If that's your standard for how screwed up melo is compared to marbury, I don't know what to tell you.
