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crzymdups
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4/17/2015  2:49 PM
If I get pick 3 or 4 I'm taking D'Angelo Russell or Justice Winslow. Maybe Mudiay if he wows you in a workout.

No way I trade the pick. Best value is to draft well at that spot and use the money in FA.

You trade that pick it's almost a lock you are sending out the best player in the trade for multiple guys who aren't as good.

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4/17/2015  2:50 PM
Hector wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following


Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

dude, if you don't have anything to add to this thread, please stop. Thanks.

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4/17/2015  2:52 PM
For this draft - forget the sleepers, the super slick outsmart yourself trades.

Got a top 5 pick?
Let's see where the dice roll & go from there.

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4/17/2015  3:02 PM
Hector wrote:For this draft - forget the sleepers, the super slick outsmart yourself trades.

Got a top 5 pick?
Let's see where the dice roll & go from there.

I got you. I am not going sleeper anywhere. This was EASILY EASILY one of the best freshmen in the country. Hes more athletic than Russell much more of a true SG than Winslow and hes one of the best defensive guards in the nation from the 2G who also rebounds the ball well. Hes up there whether a mock draft says he is or not.

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4/17/2015  3:05 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Hector wrote:Whatever. I know the Hawks point guard came on & the other guy might be promising - & the 15th pick, but I'm not buying that proposition - with prejudice!!

Id very likely take Vaughn there at 15 as Kaminsky would be gone. That would net me Scrhoeder taveras and Vaughn. Vaughn could EASILY be as good as ANYONE drafted 3-6. He just came into the draft a few days ago for those who dont know who I am talking about. He was also hurt 2nd half of year. He was the number 1 SG prospect coming into CBB last year. Hes 6-6 215. Ranked higher than Russell or Winslow.

One pass in ten minutes of video. Nice scorer.
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4/17/2015  3:10 PM
Vmart wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Hector wrote:Whatever. I know the Hawks point guard came on & the other guy might be promising - & the 15th pick, but I'm not buying that proposition - with prejudice!!

Id very likely take Vaughn there at 15 as Kaminsky would be gone. That would net me Scrhoeder taveras and Vaughn. Vaughn could EASILY be as good as ANYONE drafted 3-6. He just came into the draft a few days ago for those who dont know who I am talking about. He was also hurt 2nd half of year. He was the number 1 SG prospect coming into CBB last year. Hes 6-6 215. Ranked higher than Russell or Winslow.

One pass in ten minutes of video. Nice scorer.

Hes a willing passer for a SG--but moreso hes a great defender for a young guy. Wait until private workouts then we'll hear more about Vaughn.

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4/17/2015  3:17 PM
For Schroder, Taveras and the 15 I would have to think about it very seriously. Not sure I do it though.

I think I would have to wait until the Hawks are on the clock to make that decision. With Kaminsky or Kris Dunn (If he declares) available, its more likely I would do it. If its the 4 pick with Russell gone (I really can't vouch for Mudiay as the tape I have seen is mediocre at best), I am very likely to do it. I probably have Dunn ranked 3rd among PGs.

I don't know Schroder very well. His statistical progression after two years appears to be legitimate. Somewhat at odds with my Dunn pick.

Taveras is a decent stash. Not sure he will pan out.

I really need to see how Russell, Mudiay, Winslow etc.. handle workouts.

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4/17/2015  3:18 PM
Also the trade everything for Cousins group--I think its better strategy to build a team like the Spurs that can hurt you 14 deep than to focus on two guys like Cousins and Carmelo. Anyhting I think of is based on a team concept. I DO NOT think Cousisn is a team concept player--and to a certain extent Melo isnt either. We can easily move on with melo but both would be a disaster. Its not a big 3 its a big bad 2. I think Carmelo who can space the floor give me 20-5-4 will be a better melo that tries to get 35 each game. Cousins is an uncontrollable freight train.
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4/17/2015  3:18 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens in the workouts - player's stock often rises or falls in workouts.

Steph Curry wasn't even thought to be a top ten pick til workouts. Knicks thought he was a lock to be there at 8.

So, we'll see.

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4/17/2015  3:25 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/17/2015  3:27 PM
http://www.basketball-reference.com/euro/players/walter-tavares-1.html

Here are Taveras stats this year. He jumped way up from last year.

He LED all of Europe in FG% shot blocking per minute and top 10 in rebounds per minute played. You can see from his highlights he has much more offensive skill than WCS.

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4/17/2015  3:39 PM
I'm not sure that we are going to allow that many young guys to be on the team. 1 rookie I could see but more than that are probably assets for further trades, unless they can help right away (e.g. Kaminsky).

I do get a feeling that if we don't land who Phil really wants that we might see some heavy movement. Phil wants to win and he is going to use our very valuable pick to start the ball rolling if doesn't see a special talent there. Thing is, I think he will. Question is, does he also see some special talent later in the draft and if so, again, is he really going to go with so many rookies?

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4/17/2015  3:43 PM
martin wrote:
Hector wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following


Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

dude, if you don't have anything to add to this thread, please stop. Thanks.

Did I break a rule or something?
I've seen you post twice his month - with all due respect.

Even BRIGGS agreed with me. Just a bit.

I called him out, like I always do when I think he's wrong - & he does have enough opinions, so I think I'm in the right to do so.
If not, let me know. You're the boss.

[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]
martin
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4/17/2015  4:02 PM
Hector wrote:
martin wrote:
Hector wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following


Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

dude, if you don't have anything to add to this thread, please stop. Thanks.

Did I break a rule or something?
I've seen you post twice his month - with all due respect.

Even BRIGGS agreed with me. Just a bit.

I called him out, like I always do when I think he's wrong - & he does have enough opinions, so I think I'm in the right to do so.
If not, let me know. You're the boss.

I've already let you know, posting the above adds nothing.

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4/17/2015  4:19 PM
pick 3... (and I would have no problem is this was pick 1 or 2)

Just stop trying to figure it out... the answer is Russell:

If we are really running the triangle this is the future superstar. A 6'5 SG with a 6'8 wingspan who can play both guard spots. He does it all, and he's the most skilled guard in the draft. Athletically he's right there with Curry and Harden as that skill set. THATS the next generation of NBA player.

This is a guy who plays the right way. If you wonder why/how a SG led his team in rebounding you can get a clue at the 2:00 mark of this video.

My draft oder is still OK4/Russell/Towns 1-3

If we pick 4 then its a crap shoot, but Im leaning towards Winslow which I would be very happy with also.

Am I saying he's the best player in the draft? Saying so means nothing... but Russell is my favorite player in the draft. And this kid just turned 19.

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4/17/2015  4:39 PM
fishmike wrote:pick 3... (and I would have no problem is this was pick 1 or 2)

Just stop trying to figure it out... the answer is Russell:

If we are really running the triangle this is the future superstar. A 6'5 SG with a 6'8 wingspan who can play both guard spots. He does it all, and he's the most skilled guard in the draft. Athletically he's right there with Curry and Harden as that skill set. THATS the next generation of NBA player.

This is a guy who plays the right way. If you wonder why/how a SG led his team in rebounding you can get a clue at the 2:00 mark of this video.

My draft oder is still OK4/Russell/Towns 1-3

If we pick 4 then its a crap shoot, but Im leaning towards Winslow which I would be very happy with also.

Am I saying he's the best player in the draft? Saying so means nothing... but Russell is my favorite player in the draft. And this kid just turned 19.

Hes got a chance to be a Clyde Frazier part 2.

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4/17/2015  4:41 PM
martin wrote:
Hector wrote:
martin wrote:
Hector wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following


Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

dude, if you don't have anything to add to this thread, please stop. Thanks.

Did I break a rule or something?
I've seen you post twice his month - with all due respect.

Even BRIGGS agreed with me. Just a bit.

I called him out, like I always do when I think he's wrong - & he does have enough opinions, so I think I'm in the right to do so.
If not, let me know. You're the boss.

I've already let you know, posting the above adds nothing.

I think my post added plenty. BRIGGS comes up with all sorts of crazy **** that hasn't a chance in hell & I call him out. I think that is pretty valuable as the place really needs a balance between reality & bat **** crazy.

[quote="jrodmc"] Melo is stupid. [/quote]
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4/17/2015  4:53 PM
Hector wrote:
martin wrote:
Hector wrote:
martin wrote:
Hector wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following


Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

dude, if you don't have anything to add to this thread, please stop. Thanks.

Did I break a rule or something?
I've seen you post twice his month - with all due respect.

Even BRIGGS agreed with me. Just a bit.

I called him out, like I always do when I think he's wrong - & he does have enough opinions, so I think I'm in the right to do so.
If not, let me know. You're the boss.

I've already let you know, posting the above adds nothing.

I think my post added plenty. BRIGGS comes up with all sorts of crazy **** that hasn't a chance in hell & I call him out. I think that is pretty valuable as the place really needs a balance between reality & bat **** crazy.

You are dead wrong. Thanks.

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4/17/2015  5:01 PM
fishmike wrote:pick 3... (and I would have no problem is this was pick 1 or 2)

Just stop trying to figure it out... the answer is Russell:

If we are really running the triangle this is the future superstar. A 6'5 SG with a 6'8 wingspan who can play both guard spots. He does it all, and he's the most skilled guard in the draft. Athletically he's right there with Curry and Harden as that skill set. THATS the next generation of NBA player.

This is a guy who plays the right way. If you wonder why/how a SG led his team in rebounding you can get a clue at the 2:00 mark of this video.

My draft oder is still OK4/Russell/Towns 1-3

If we pick 4 then its a crap shoot, but Im leaning towards Winslow which I would be very happy with also.

Am I saying he's the best player in the draft? Saying so means nothing... but Russell is my favorite player in the draft. And this kid just turned 19.

Agreed. I hope they take a long hard look at him at 2, 3, 4, whatever.

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4/18/2015  1:19 AM
Hector wrote:
martin wrote:
Hector wrote:
martin wrote:
Hector wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Im dead set on taking Towns #1 and Okafor #2 no exceptions no trades.

But at #3 #4 would you do the following


Pick #3 to Atlanta for D Scroheder pick 43 from last year Walter Taveras and pick 15.

To me this seems like throwing some bull**** idea out there & if in 3, 4 years it pans out, we'll hear from you.
if it doesn't, you'll never mention it again.

You do too many of these scenarios to bee taken too seriously.

You come up with the craziest **** & so much of it, but one day you'll be right just based on volume.

dude, if you don't have anything to add to this thread, please stop. Thanks.

Did I break a rule or something?
I've seen you post twice his month - with all due respect.

Even BRIGGS agreed with me. Just a bit.

I called him out, like I always do when I think he's wrong - & he does have enough opinions, so I think I'm in the right to do so.
If not, let me know. You're the boss.

I've already let you know, posting the above adds nothing.

I think my post added plenty. BRIGGS comes up with all sorts of crazy **** that hasn't a chance in hell & I call him out. I think that is pretty valuable as the place really needs a balance between reality & bat **** crazy.

Sorry to be late commenting on this.


There are ways of making a point that might be a bit more tactful than how you chose to express yourself on Briggs' post...

... and I tend to think that folks around here are mostly able to maintain their own balance despite an occasional plunge into the pit of hopelessness and despair that is regularly tended to by the leadership of the Knicks' franchise.

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4/18/2015  6:53 AM
fishmike wrote:pick 3... (and I would have no problem is this was pick 1 or 2)

Just stop trying to figure it out... the answer is Russell:

If we are really running the triangle this is the future superstar. A 6'5 SG with a 6'8 wingspan who can play both guard spots. He does it all, and he's the most skilled guard in the draft. Athletically he's right there with Curry and Harden as that skill set. THATS the next generation of NBA player.

This is a guy who plays the right way. If you wonder why/how a SG led his team in rebounding you can get a clue at the 2:00 mark of this video.

My draft oder is still OK4/Russell/Towns 1-3

If we pick 4 then its a crap shoot, but Im leaning towards Winslow which I would be very happy with also.

Am I saying he's the best player in the draft? Saying so means nothing... but Russell is my favorite player in the draft. And this kid just turned 19.

I still think we would benefit more from a big but he seems custom made for our offense. I wouldn't mind him instead of Okafor.
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