StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Carmelo can do everything as a player. He can defend, rebound, and even run the team as a point forward. The problem is that he is not challenged to do so by his coach; he is often asked to be the main scorer. Going into next season, it is imperative that whoever is our coach hold him accountable. The dumb shot selection, the lazy approach to the game, etc., must be heavily scrutinized

i dont agree he can do everything. His main strengths is scoring and rebounding. When he wants to he can be a good passer and decent defender but doesnt happen often. Point forward doesnt work either for him

Challenge him to be that guy, and he will be just that. George Karl often states exactly that. Who will be ordering him to BE that guy remains to be seen. I don't trust Fisher to have the balls necessary to challenge Carmelo

stopstandthere wrote:To be more precise, I think Melo's strengths are scoring and rebounding and can do a little bit of everything.

TeamBall wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Carmelo can do everything as a player. He can defend, rebound, and even run the team as a point forward. The problem is that he is not challenged to do so by his coach; he is often asked to be the main scorer. Going into next season, it is imperative that whoever is our coach hold him accountable. The dumb shot selection, the lazy approach to the game, etc., must be heavily scrutinized

i dont agree he can do everything. His main strengths is scoring and rebounding. When he wants to he can be a good passer and decent defender but doesnt happen often. Point forward doesnt work either for him

That's what he means be he can do everything.

Melo is selfish becuase he did not come here as a free agent? Get real, only Lebron has taken a pay cut to get what he wants. Nobody put a gun to Dolans head and told them to trade for him. Its a business.

Regarding melo objecting to MDA and doing whats right for Melo? Again, the Knicks ownership has enabled this. It thinks "whats good for Melo is good for the knicks".

What has Phil done differently? Im not sure. On the surface he paid him but obviously there is game plan we are not privy to.

For knicks to succeed Melo has to be a piece of a talented trio core. He has been the singular all star talent since he got here. Thats a nice formula for starphuchiung, but not winning.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Hector wrote:I think the worst thing about him - playing wise - is that he is 13 years in the league & off a bum knee.
Do you think he is really going to even want to be at his best on 'D'?

People are going to be going around him like a merry go round.
We really need a center to guard the basket.

It is so not about Carmelo going forward - he's just another soon to be albatross like Amare was

His reign didn't last long, did it?

thats why we really need to get some defensive players this summer or drafting a guy like towns

I'm all for that!

Really pisses you off to think off all the GOOD picks they gave away & all the BAD ones they kept to make an uninspired pick.

I'll say it again - Charlie Ward was the last draft pick of the Knicks to sign an extention with the Knicks - OVER 20 YEARS AGo!!

I'm looking forward to a super rookie, rather than a spoiled 'superstar'!!
That's the bottom line.

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Carmelo can do everything as a player. He can defend, rebound, and even run the team as a point forward. The problem is that he is not challenged to do so by his coach; he is often asked to be the main scorer. Going into next season, it is imperative that whoever is our coach hold him accountable. The dumb shot selection, the lazy approach to the game, etc., must be heavily scrutinized

i dont agree he can do everything. His main strengths is scoring and rebounding. When he wants to he can be a good passer and decent defender but doesnt happen often. Point forward doesnt work either for him

That seems like you have everything covered...

I think the big thing Melo has to learn is how to make his teammates better. That's the big hole in his game to me.

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Carmelo can do everything as a player. He can defend, rebound, and even run the team as a point forward. The problem is that he is not challenged to do so by his coach; he is often asked to be the main scorer. Going into next season, it is imperative that whoever is our coach hold him accountable. The dumb shot selection, the lazy approach to the game, etc., must be heavily scrutinized

i dont agree he can do everything. His main strengths is scoring and rebounding. When he wants to he can be a good passer and decent defender but doesnt happen often. Point forward doesnt work either for him

That seems like you have everything covered...

I think the big thing Melo has to learn is how to make his teammates better. That's the big hole in his game to me.

Really...Have you seem his teammates??..Remember the Tony Douglas crew with Bill whatever his name was shooting threes in the playoffs his first year against Boston..

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Carmelo can do everything as a player. He can defend, rebound, and even run the team as a point forward. The problem is that he is not challenged to do so by his coach; he is often asked to be the main scorer. Going into next season, it is imperative that whoever is our coach hold him accountable. The dumb shot selection, the lazy approach to the game, etc., must be heavily scrutinized

i dont agree he can do everything. His main strengths is scoring and rebounding. When he wants to he can be a good passer and decent defender but doesnt happen often. Point forward doesnt work either for him

That seems like you have everything covered...

I think the big thing Melo has to learn is how to make his teammates better. That's the big hole in his game to me.

Really...Have you seem his teammates??..Remember the Tony Douglas crew with Bill whatever his name was shooting threes in the playoffs his first year against Boston..

Yes. And if Melo didn't want a weak supporting cast, he should've come here as a free agent rather than have the Knicks gut their roster in a trade.

But I'm not talking about 2011. I'm talking about 2012, 2013 and 2014 when he played with Amar'e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton, Jeremy Lin and a lot of other talented dudes who very rarely got easier shots because of Melo.

Melo is an all world scorer. He might be the best in the league at scoring from the wing (Harden, Westbrook, Curry all operate from the top of the key) - but he's got to learn how to use his ability to create easy shots for his teammates.

His best season here was when Jason Kidd was at the top of the key, demanding ball movement from everyone.

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:Carmelo can do everything as a player. He can defend, rebound, and even run the team as a point forward. The problem is that he is not challenged to do so by his coach; he is often asked to be the main scorer. Going into next season, it is imperative that whoever is our coach hold him accountable. The dumb shot selection, the lazy approach to the game, etc., must be heavily scrutinized

i dont agree he can do everything. His main strengths is scoring and rebounding. When he wants to he can be a good passer and decent defender but doesnt happen often. Point forward doesnt work either for him

That seems like you have everything covered...

I think the big thing Melo has to learn is how to make his teammates better. That's the big hole in his game to me.

Really...Have you seem his teammates??..Remember the Tony Douglas crew with Bill whatever his name was shooting threes in the playoffs his first year against Boston..

Yes. And if Melo didn't want a weak supporting cast, he should've come here as a free agent rather than have the Knicks gut their roster in a trade.

But I'm not talking about 2011. I'm talking about 2012, 2013 and 2014 when he played with Amar'e Stoudemire, Tyson Chandler, JR Smith, Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton, Jeremy Lin and a lot of other talented dudes who very rarely got easier shots because of Melo.

Melo is an all world scorer. He might be the best in the league at scoring from the wing (Harden, Westbrook, Curry all operate from the top of the key) - but he's got to learn how to use his ability to create easy shots for his teammates.

His best season here was when Jason Kidd was at the top of the key, demanding ball movement from everyone.

Amare was hurt for 4 years...Chandler played when he wanted to..Jeremy Lin was here for half a season in which he got hurt..He played around 25 games for the Knicks, many of which Melo was hurt...I can go on...

holfresh wrote:

Amare was hurt for 4 years...Chandler played when he wanted to..Jeremy Lin was here for half a season in which he got hurt..He played around 25 games for the Knicks, many of which Melo was hurt...I can go on...

Tyson played when he wanted to? He was defensive player of the year and MVP of that 54 win team. He's the anchor of Dallas's team this year and is an NBA champion - arguably the most important player on that Mavs team behind Dirk. He certainly stopped Wade and Bron from getting to the hoop.

You know what happened when the Knicks traded Tyson Chandler? They had their worst season in franchise history and started talking about how they needed to draft a defensive center.