Phil dumped the one-season wonder FluTyson and one of the absolute worst PG's in the history of the league, and got a decent second rounder, provided Cle's ankles heal nicely over the summer. Major addition by subtraction. Injuries happen.

Now we have a solid pick, cap space and a clean slate. And an almost absentee owner who's giddily enjoying his hockey team and his triangular religious convictions.

nyk4ever wrote:totally agree fish. i know alot of people are upset with the calderon/tyson trade, but im not. tyson had to go and, yeah, i think phil thought calderon had more left in the tank than what he's shown this year but i still don't deem the trade as a total disaster. we are rebuilding, which is a great sign and phil swung and missed on that trade but it's ok. ledo was a great pickup, amundson, galloway were great additions and trading prigs for draft picks was a good move. unlike most, im pretty confident in phil and where he's going with this. let's just hope we get the 1st pick and have our choice of everyone. towns, ok4, mudiay, whoever, im excited for them all.

Calderon may have been a miscalculation, but that trade was all about ditching Tyson (he mailed it in on the Knicks, not the sort to keep around) than it was about acquiring Calderon. Same for Smith and Shump. Phil dumped the dirty laundry so the rebuild would not be corrupted by malcontents. Solid moves from my POV.

jrodmc wrote:We tried starphucqing and got one bonafide star playing with a bunch of coffee cups.

Phil dumped the one-season wonder FluTyson and one of the absolute worst PG's in the history of the league, and got a decent second rounder, provided Cle's ankles heal nicely over the summer. Major addition by subtraction. Injuries happen.

Now we have a solid pick, cap space and a clean slate. And an almost absentee owner who's giddily enjoying his hockey team and his triangular religious convictions.

Wow, just a week into the season most people could tell the trade wasn't addition by subtraction. You've got some major catching up to do. How can you add to 35 and come away with 14?

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:We tried starphucqing and got one bonafide star playing with a bunch of coffee cups.

Phil dumped the one-season wonder FluTyson and one of the absolute worst PG's in the history of the league, and got a decent second rounder, provided Cle's ankles heal nicely over the summer. Major addition by subtraction. Injuries happen.

Now we have a solid pick, cap space and a clean slate. And an almost absentee owner who's giddily enjoying his hockey team and his triangular religious convictions.

Wow, just a week into the season most people could tell the trade wasn't addition by subtraction. You've got some major catching up to do. How can you add to 35 and come away with 14?

Most people. That's a great sample size. Is that the same "most people" who whined endlessly about starphucquing and not rebuilding when it fed their inner Melohate, who now suddenly know more than Phil Jackson when it comes to rebuilding a franchise? What would FluTyson and RayGun have done here if we didn't trade them? Drag us to the playoffs with their incredible skills? Wins and losses count when it serves the selective purpose, doesn't it?

([Locker room cancer + Old Non-triangular free agent center wanting big money] + [Gun charges * worst PG in the league]) <--- did you suddenly forget these issues?

Jose (he of the 40% 3Pt shot) got injured and Dalembert was filler at best. No one thought Sammy was going to be Bill Russell. We got Cle and Greek Freak 2. Yoots.

I hate tanking, but what else was supposed to happen? Trade for Gallo, the Mayor, DLee and Crawford?

Felton could've been waived and stretched for $1.7 million per over 5 years and Tyson could've been traded for two first round picks ala Timofey Mozgov....

As for our "yoots", they could've easily been bought for money since DAL has no interest in ever developing young players.

NardDogNation wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:We tried starphucqing and got one bonafide star playing with a bunch of coffee cups.

Phil dumped the one-season wonder FluTyson and one of the absolute worst PG's in the history of the league, and got a decent second rounder, provided Cle's ankles heal nicely over the summer. Major addition by subtraction. Injuries happen.

Now we have a solid pick, cap space and a clean slate. And an almost absentee owner who's giddily enjoying his hockey team and his triangular religious convictions.

Wow, just a week into the season most people could tell the trade wasn't addition by subtraction. You've got some major catching up to do. How can you add to 35 and come away with 14?

Most people. That's a great sample size. Is that the same "most people" who whined endlessly about starphucquing and not rebuilding when it fed their inner Melohate, who now suddenly know more than Phil Jackson when it comes to rebuilding a franchise? What would FluTyson and RayGun have done here if we didn't trade them? Drag us to the playoffs with their incredible skills? Wins and losses count when it serves the selective purpose, doesn't it?

([Locker room cancer + Old Non-triangular free agent center wanting big money] + [Gun charges * worst PG in the league]) <--- did you suddenly forget these issues?

Jose (he of the 40% 3Pt shot) got injured and Dalembert was filler at best. No one thought Sammy was going to be Bill Russell. We got Cle and Greek Freak 2. Yoots.

I hate tanking, but what else was supposed to happen? Trade for Gallo, the Mayor, DLee and Crawford?

Felton could've been waived and stretched for $1.7 million per over 5 years and Tyson could've been traded for two first round picks ala Timofey Mozgov....

As for our "yoots", they could've easily been bought for money since DAL has no interest in ever developing young players.

Two first round picks? Please tell me who was giving us even ONE first rounder for FluTyson? Phil is going to buy second round picks and pay Ray to go away? Cuban needs money that badly? Yes indeedy, that would have been insanely popular.

Again, Jose has a decent year based on past performance instead of getting hurt, and Sammy remains serviceable instead of getting paid to get his number retired at SHU, and things would be different, right?

Nalod wrote:Dalembert looked good last year in Dallas. They almost took out eventual champion SAS!!!
Tyson looked bad here. Tyson takes Dalembert place and he looks damn good there!
Sam comes here and looks bad.

Anyone connect the dots here?

Dallas is the new San Tone? Everyone gets better playing with Dirk? Jimmie Dolan is code for slow-release player quality degradation?

knickscity wrote:I'm shocked you guys expected a player who has never contributed anything to a team winning to do it here. Thiink about it....Dallas traded him the very next season. Wonder why?

Dallas let Tyson go too after winning with him.

What are you basing the fact that he is not contributor to winning on?

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:I'm shocked you guys expected a player who has never contributed anything to a team winning to do it here. Thiink about it....Dallas traded him the very next season. Wonder why?

Dallas let Tyson go too after winning with him.

What are you basing the fact that he is not contributor to winning on?

Dallas offered Tyson 1 year 20 mil to stay. Look at Calderon career with the teams he's been on...they all were losers except the team that was winning before and after him.

losing is not necessarily a players fault.

If you put Calderon on SA, you don't think he would be very good in the right roll? I think that he definitely would.

Players need to be in the right role on the right team.

He is not the guy you want to create for others but he is from the better shooters and he can certainly be very useful if used correctly.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:I'm shocked you guys expected a player who has never contributed anything to a team winning to do it here. Thiink about it....Dallas traded him the very next season. Wonder why?

Dallas let Tyson go too after winning with him.

What are you basing the fact that he is not contributor to winning on?

Dallas offered Tyson 1 year 20 mil to stay. Look at Calderon career with the teams he's been on...they all were losers except the team that was winning before and after him.

losing is not necessarily a players fault.

If you put Calderon on SA, you don't think he would be very good in the right roll? I think that he definitely would.

Players need to be in the right role on the right team.

He is not the guy you want to create for others but he is from the better shooters and he can certainly be very useful if used correctly.

SA wouldnt pick a defenseless Calderon who doesnt attack the rim. Would they take calderon or Tony parker? I doubt it.

Some player just are bad. calderon is the pg version of Steve Novak, great when it doesnt matter...btw Spurs waived him.

BRIGGS wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:I'm shocked you guys expected a player who has never contributed anything to a team winning to do it here. Thiink about it....Dallas traded him the very next season. Wonder why?

Dallas let Tyson go too after winning with him.

What are you basing the fact that he is not contributor to winning on?

Dallas offered Tyson 1 year 20 mil to stay. Look at Calderon career with the teams he's been on...they all were losers except the team that was winning before and after him.

losing is not necessarily a players fault.

If you put Calderon on SA, you don't think he would be very good in the right roll? I think that he definitely would.

Players need to be in the right role on the right team.

He is not the guy you want to create for others but he is from the better shooters and he can certainly be very useful if used correctly.

Felton av 17-9-4 on a 54 win team how many times did he play big Calderon never touched that level.

You have a very short memory. Felton was also hurt all the time. Sorry, Calderon is a better player. I know you hate him like DK hates Melo, but he's not nearly as bad as you would believe or make him out to be.