mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:What if OK4 and Towns went back to school for two more yrs... would they still be 1 and 1a?

Towns could very much be the same player and Ok4 could be a consistent beast...If both dont improve on their weaknesses but slight improvement on their strenghs, then Ok4 would be the better pick. By your Jr year its easier to gage your development speed and predict where you might be after a year of nba experience. Now players that play 4 yrs like Duncan are being passed on for these unproven freshmens.

Thats why i think each year you will see older college players are usually the safer pick and freshmens are the highest risk and the most bust potential. I doubt phil takes on too much risk like trying to get two high freshmen picks. 1 pick surrounded by vets seems like a low risk plan for Phil.

I think that Towns would get much better while Ok4 will remain pretty much the same. He is pretty advanced already.

Calipari is not helping towns showcase what he has. I would like to see how Towns would play for Duke and how Ok4 would play for Kentucky.

I think they will eventually end up putting up same numbers. One will do his damage on the inside and the other trying to do a little of everything. All I know is the one who sticks to what he does best eventually does it more efficiently.

that is what Tyson did. He can only dunk and he is as efficient as they get. I hope we do better than a one trick (efficient) pony.

That is where you are wrong. Duncan, Hakeem and Shaq kept their games around the basket and Duncan and Hakeem didn't stretch their games with in 15 feet in. Okafor can and has hit jumpers consistently out to 10-15 feet. You are comparing Chandler to Okafor which is a joke because Okafor already has more game inside than Chandler. Okafor has foot work and fundamentals that Chandler could only dream of.

"One trick pony" I think you guys are insulting a kid who has worked very hard on the fundamentals of the game. Kid who gets the fundamentals down will learn other facets of the game to a higher level.

I did not compare chandler to Ok4 at all. Read it again.

And if Ok4 can turn in the a Dunkan or Hakeem (on offense) then that would be wonderful though nobody really believes that he will be as good as them.

If I am looking for a mold, I am looking for the new mold types like Anthony Davis.

It seems like all old schoolers who don't buy into advanced metrics and the modern game seem to lean heavily towards Ok4 while the new schoolers who care about efficiency and shot charts want towns.

How do you feel about advanced stats?

You are right I read it wrong. But I don't know why you think Okafor won't be as good as Duncan or Hakeem his career hasn't started you never know these two guys might make their own basketball legacy.

Mudiay probably the most talented player coming into this draft. At 3-4 if the Knicks walk out with him you just got a great player that is team first. While Russell is a good player he may be a defensive liability due to lack of speed and athleticism. Where Mudiay ranks much higher than Russell.

Someone posted an article about Mudiay after his first game and pointed out all his flaws and made Mudiay seem like an over matched player. Here you have a 17-18 year old kid who had a poor start to his season. The next game he came back with a triple double.

Mudiay fits the Triangle perfectly a slasher able to get anywhere on the court.

Vmart wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:What if OK4 and Towns went back to school for two more yrs... would they still be 1 and 1a?

Towns could very much be the same player and Ok4 could be a consistent beast...If both dont improve on their weaknesses but slight improvement on their strenghs, then Ok4 would be the better pick. By your Jr year its easier to gage your development speed and predict where you might be after a year of nba experience. Now players that play 4 yrs like Duncan are being passed on for these unproven freshmens.

Thats why i think each year you will see older college players are usually the safer pick and freshmens are the highest risk and the most bust potential. I doubt phil takes on too much risk like trying to get two high freshmen picks. 1 pick surrounded by vets seems like a low risk plan for Phil.

I think that Towns would get much better while Ok4 will remain pretty much the same. He is pretty advanced already.

Calipari is not helping towns showcase what he has. I would like to see how Towns would play for Duke and how Ok4 would play for Kentucky.

I think they will eventually end up putting up same numbers. One will do his damage on the inside and the other trying to do a little of everything. All I know is the one who sticks to what he does best eventually does it more efficiently.

that is what Tyson did. He can only dunk and he is as efficient as they get. I hope we do better than a one trick (efficient) pony.

That is where you are wrong. Duncan, Hakeem and Shaq kept their games around the basket and Duncan and Hakeem didn't stretch their games with in 15 feet in. Okafor can and has hit jumpers consistently out to 10-15 feet. You are comparing Chandler to Okafor which is a joke because Okafor already has more game inside than Chandler. Okafor has foot work and fundamentals that Chandler could only dream of.

"One trick pony" I think you guys are insulting a kid who has worked very hard on the fundamentals of the game. Kid who gets the fundamentals down will learn other facets of the game to a higher level.

I did not compare chandler to Ok4 at all. Read it again.

And if Ok4 can turn in the a Dunkan or Hakeem (on offense) then that would be wonderful though nobody really believes that he will be as good as them.

If I am looking for a mold, I am looking for the new mold types like Anthony Davis.

It seems like all old schoolers who don't buy into advanced metrics and the modern game seem to lean heavily towards Ok4 while the new schoolers who care about efficiency and shot charts want towns.

How do you feel about advanced stats?

You are right I read it wrong. But I don't know why you think Okafor won't be as good as Duncan or Hakeem his career hasn't started you never know these two guys might make their own basketball legacy.

Mudiay probably the most talented player coming into this draft. At 3-4 if the Knicks walk out with him you just got a great player that is team first. While Russell is a good player he may be a defensive liability due to lack of speed and athleticism. Where Mudiay ranks much higher than Russell.

Someone posted an article about Mudiay after his first game and pointed out all his flaws and made Mudiay seem like an over matched player. Here you have a 17-18 year old kid who had a poor start to his season. The next game he came back with a triple double.

Mudiay fits the Triangle perfectly a slasher able to get anywhere on the court.

Why do I think that Okafor won't be as good as Duncan as Hakeem?

C'mon. What are the chances of that happening? .0005 percent? You are talking about to of the top players at their positions all time! Of course we should not assume that any player coming out will be that good.

Hopefully we get him and he ends up being better than Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem combined :-)

As far as Russell and his defense, the same was said about Curry ... I want a damn shooter! When was the last time we had a guy who can actually shoot at a highly efficient level? Hubert freakin Davis!

As far a Mudiay ... he would be the ultimate disaster scenario for me. A guy who we can't really judge, who is playing against G League talent in China, a guy who supposedly can't shoot ... He may be a super athlete and a very smart player but I would not even pick him 8th. I don't like the Tyreke Evans type of player.

It took John Wall a little while and he still can shoot that well but I find him to be more of the exception to the rule. Way to risky.

mreinman wrote:

Why do I think that Okafor won't be as good as Duncan as Hakeem?

C'mon. What are the chances of that happening? .0005 percent? You are talking about to of the top players at their positions all time! Of course we should not assume that any player coming out will be that good.

Hopefully we get him and he ends up being better than Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem combined :-)

As far as Russell and his defense, the same was said about Curry ... I want a damn shooter! When was the last time we had a guy who can actually shoot at a highly efficient level? Hubert freakin Davis!

As far a Mudiay ... he would be the ultimate disaster scenario for me. A guy who we can't really judge, who is playing against G League talent in China, a guy who supposedly can't shoot ... He may be a super athlete and a very smart player but I would not even pick him 8th. I don't like the Tyreke Evans type of player.

It took John Wall a little while and he still can shoot that well but I find him to be more of the exception to the rule. Way to risky.

agreed on Russell. that kid has star written all over him - especially with the NBA's rules/style of play right now.

kid looks like Steph Curry 2.0 to me.

edit: that said, Phil doesn't like the style of play in the NBA right now and I think he deeply covets Towns and/or Okafor

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Why do I think that Okafor won't be as good as Duncan as Hakeem?

C'mon. What are the chances of that happening? .0005 percent? You are talking about to of the top players at their positions all time! Of course we should not assume that any player coming out will be that good.

Hopefully we get him and he ends up being better than Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem combined :-)

As far as Russell and his defense, the same was said about Curry ... I want a damn shooter! When was the last time we had a guy who can actually shoot at a highly efficient level? Hubert freakin Davis!

As far a Mudiay ... he would be the ultimate disaster scenario for me. A guy who we can't really judge, who is playing against G League talent in China, a guy who supposedly can't shoot ... He may be a super athlete and a very smart player but I would not even pick him 8th. I don't like the Tyreke Evans type of player.

It took John Wall a little while and he still can shoot that well but I find him to be more of the exception to the rule. Way to risky.

agreed on Russell. that kid has star written all over him - especially with the NBA's rules/style of play right now.

kid looks like Steph Curry 2.0 to me.

edit: that said, Phil doesn't like the style of play in the NBA right now and I think he deeply covets Towns and/or Okafor

Phil actually LOVES Curry. This is a great video of Phil at the Analytics Conference at MIT but it's long. Still it's worth viewing. Skip to 55:20 and you'll hear Phil talk about which players in today's game he likes.

he mentioned dwight howard ... puke.

nixluva wrote:

crzymdups wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Why do I think that Okafor won't be as good as Duncan as Hakeem?

C'mon. What are the chances of that happening? .0005 percent? You are talking about to of the top players at their positions all time! Of course we should not assume that any player coming out will be that good.

Hopefully we get him and he ends up being better than Shaq/Duncan/Hakeem combined :-)

As far as Russell and his defense, the same was said about Curry ... I want a damn shooter! When was the last time we had a guy who can actually shoot at a highly efficient level? Hubert freakin Davis!

As far a Mudiay ... he would be the ultimate disaster scenario for me. A guy who we can't really judge, who is playing against G League talent in China, a guy who supposedly can't shoot ... He may be a super athlete and a very smart player but I would not even pick him 8th. I don't like the Tyreke Evans type of player.

It took John Wall a little while and he still can shoot that well but I find him to be more of the exception to the rule. Way to risky.

agreed on Russell. that kid has star written all over him - especially with the NBA's rules/style of play right now.

kid looks like Steph Curry 2.0 to me.

edit: that said, Phil doesn't like the style of play in the NBA right now and I think he deeply covets Towns and/or Okafor

Phil actually LOVES Curry. This is a great video of Phil at the Analytics Conference at MIT but it's long. Still it's worth viewing. Skip to 55:20 and you'll hear Phil talk about which players in today's game he likes.