nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Was watching highlights of Pippens early years Thanasis has similarities to Pippens game. Pippen was good but he wasn't great. His shot was weak, his free throw shooting wasn't great either. Thanasis can be that type of player.

man I hope so. Thanasis has so much potential with his motor and athleticism, and for me it speaks volumes that he would turn down the $ to play in Europe this past year to stick with the DLeague Knicks dev team (although admittedly his bro probably kicked him some $ and that eased the decision). Now, if he could settle down and continue to grow on the offensive side, he'd be a supremely good SG.

A Schved, Ledo, Thanasis, Galloway back court rotation would feature 3 guys 6'6 or taller.

It also wouldn't have a single reliable shooter.

but you would be talking about today's version of each of those players, you gotta project some and hope maybe 2 of them get to a point where they are very usable.

You look at some young wing types and you see that each took multiple years in the NBA before they found their groove: Beal, Jimmy Butler, Avery Bradely, Patrick Beverly, Khris Middleton, Victor Oladipo, Goran Dragic, DeMarre Carroll and so on. It took all these guys multiple years before they could find shooting and their games (if they've even gotten that far).

That doesn't seem to be the case. Beal's numbers are shockingly similar through his 1st 3 years. Butler made a leap in year 2, which is at least partially due to increased playing time, and probably hasn't been as good since. Bradley, Beverley, and Middleton numbers improved in year 2, again mostly due to increased playing time, and really haven't improved since. Everyone knew Oladipo was going to be at least a solid player when he was drafted but we don't know if you can build a competent NBA offense if he isn't playing next to a shooter. Dragic I'll give you with caveats; he was a foreign player and foreign players historically have had a much more difficult time transitioning to the NBA than NCAA players. Carroll's all over the place but once he started getting regular playing time in Utah his career took off.

I dont even know what you are saying. All of the guys that I listed... I'd want them on the team as a wing player and all of them struggled or are still struggling in the shooting department. Same as our guys, but you gotta give them time to figure out their game.

Beal never struggled as a shooter, he's been a good shooter since his rookie year. Most of the rest have been good shooters since year 2. And, the ones who still can't shoot, Oladipo and Bradley, we don't know if you can build a good team unless they're paired up with guys who can shoot.

The guys you listed on the Knicks are all past year 2 except Thanasis and Galloway. And Thanasis, from everything we've heard, has basically abandoned outside shooting in the D-League. Ledo probably isn't even a good player, his advanced stats are miserable. And this year is the first year that Shved has been an above average shooter; for his career he's shooting 30% from 3 and 41% from 2.

The entire point is that you can't pass final judgment on rookies and guys that are still early in their career. Sometimes these players show great improvement when allowed to develop. Schved is in just his 3rd year. He's finally getting a shot to play meaningful minutes which hadn't happened since his rookie year. Ledo, THJ, Thanasis, Early and Galloway are still early in their careers. They haven't had a chance to fully develop. Impatience is off the chain around here. These kids aren't costing us much. We might as well see what they can develop into. The Spurs understand this concept and stick with their prospects long enough to see how they fully develop.

Yes, thank you.

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Was watching highlights of Pippens early years Thanasis has similarities to Pippens game. Pippen was good but he wasn't great. His shot was weak, his free throw shooting wasn't great either. Thanasis can be that type of player.

man I hope so. Thanasis has so much potential with his motor and athleticism, and for me it speaks volumes that he would turn down the $ to play in Europe this past year to stick with the DLeague Knicks dev team (although admittedly his bro probably kicked him some $ and that eased the decision). Now, if he could settle down and continue to grow on the offensive side, he'd be a supremely good SG.

A Schved, Ledo, Thanasis, Galloway back court rotation would feature 3 guys 6'6 or taller.

It also wouldn't have a single reliable shooter.

but you would be talking about today's version of each of those players, you gotta project some and hope maybe 2 of them get to a point where they are very usable.

You look at some young wing types and you see that each took multiple years in the NBA before they found their groove: Beal, Jimmy Butler, Avery Bradely, Patrick Beverly, Khris Middleton, Victor Oladipo, Goran Dragic, DeMarre Carroll and so on. It took all these guys multiple years before they could find shooting and their games (if they've even gotten that far).

That doesn't seem to be the case. Beal's numbers are shockingly similar through his 1st 3 years. Butler made a leap in year 2, which is at least partially due to increased playing time, and probably hasn't been as good since. Bradley, Beverley, and Middleton numbers improved in year 2, again mostly due to increased playing time, and really haven't improved since. Everyone knew Oladipo was going to be at least a solid player when he was drafted but we don't know if you can build a competent NBA offense if he isn't playing next to a shooter. Dragic I'll give you with caveats; he was a foreign player and foreign players historically have had a much more difficult time transitioning to the NBA than NCAA players. Carroll's all over the place but once he started getting regular playing time in Utah his career took off.

I dont even know what you are saying. All of the guys that I listed... I'd want them on the team as a wing player and all of them struggled or are still struggling in the shooting department. Same as our guys, but you gotta give them time to figure out their game.

Beal never struggled as a shooter, he's been a good shooter since his rookie year. Most of the rest have been good shooters since year 2. And, the ones who still can't shoot, Oladipo and Bradley, we don't know if you can build a good team unless they're paired up with guys who can shoot.

The guys you listed on the Knicks are all past year 2 except Thanasis and Galloway. And Thanasis, from everything we've heard, has basically abandoned outside shooting in the D-League. Ledo probably isn't even a good player, his advanced stats are miserable. And this year is the first year that Shved has been an above average shooter; for his career he's shooting 30% from 3 and 41% from 2.

The entire point is that you can't pass final judgment on rookies and guys that are still early in their career. Sometimes these players show great improvement when allowed to develop. Schved is in just his 3rd year. He's finally getting a shot to play meaningful minutes which hadn't happened since his rookie year. Ledo, THJ, Thanasis, Early and Galloway are still early in their careers. They haven't had a chance to fully develop. Impatience is off the chain around here. These kids aren't costing us much. We might as well see what they can develop into. The Spurs understand this concept and stick with their prospects long enough to see how they fully develop.

Yes, actually, you can. And, it's extremely important for teams to be able to judge young players. Shved is going to be a free agent this Summer. Is he worth offering his $4M qualifying offer tying up $6M+ for his cap hold? If he gets a multiyear offer is it worth matching? He's also 26, how much more room for improvement is there? What about Ledo who's also a free agent this Summer? Early has one more year on his deal, will next season be too soon to judge him?

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:

martin wrote:

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

martin wrote:

Vmart wrote:Was watching highlights of Pippens early years Thanasis has similarities to Pippens game. Pippen was good but he wasn't great. His shot was weak, his free throw shooting wasn't great either. Thanasis can be that type of player.

man I hope so. Thanasis has so much potential with his motor and athleticism, and for me it speaks volumes that he would turn down the $ to play in Europe this past year to stick with the DLeague Knicks dev team (although admittedly his bro probably kicked him some $ and that eased the decision). Now, if he could settle down and continue to grow on the offensive side, he'd be a supremely good SG.

A Schved, Ledo, Thanasis, Galloway back court rotation would feature 3 guys 6'6 or taller.

It also wouldn't have a single reliable shooter.

but you would be talking about today's version of each of those players, you gotta project some and hope maybe 2 of them get to a point where they are very usable.

You look at some young wing types and you see that each took multiple years in the NBA before they found their groove: Beal, Jimmy Butler, Avery Bradely, Patrick Beverly, Khris Middleton, Victor Oladipo, Goran Dragic, DeMarre Carroll and so on. It took all these guys multiple years before they could find shooting and their games (if they've even gotten that far).

That doesn't seem to be the case. Beal's numbers are shockingly similar through his 1st 3 years. Butler made a leap in year 2, which is at least partially due to increased playing time, and probably hasn't been as good since. Bradley, Beverley, and Middleton numbers improved in year 2, again mostly due to increased playing time, and really haven't improved since. Everyone knew Oladipo was going to be at least a solid player when he was drafted but we don't know if you can build a competent NBA offense if he isn't playing next to a shooter. Dragic I'll give you with caveats; he was a foreign player and foreign players historically have had a much more difficult time transitioning to the NBA than NCAA players. Carroll's all over the place but once he started getting regular playing time in Utah his career took off.

I dont even know what you are saying. All of the guys that I listed... I'd want them on the team as a wing player and all of them struggled or are still struggling in the shooting department. Same as our guys, but you gotta give them time to figure out their game.

Beal never struggled as a shooter, he's been a good shooter since his rookie year. Most of the rest have been good shooters since year 2. And, the ones who still can't shoot, Oladipo and Bradley, we don't know if you can build a good team unless they're paired up with guys who can shoot.

The guys you listed on the Knicks are all past year 2 except Thanasis and Galloway. And Thanasis, from everything we've heard, has basically abandoned outside shooting in the D-League. Ledo probably isn't even a good player, his advanced stats are miserable. And this year is the first year that Shved has been an above average shooter; for his career he's shooting 30% from 3 and 41% from 2.

The entire point is that you can't pass final judgment on rookies and guys that are still early in their career. Sometimes these players show great improvement when allowed to develop. Schved is in just his 3rd year. He's finally getting a shot to play meaningful minutes which hadn't happened since his rookie year. Ledo, THJ, Thanasis, Early and Galloway are still early in their careers. They haven't had a chance to fully develop. Impatience is off the chain around here. These kids aren't costing us much. We might as well see what they can develop into. The Spurs understand this concept and stick with their prospects long enough to see how they fully develop.

Yes, actually, you can. And, it's extremely important for teams to be able to judge young players. Shved is going to be a free agent this Summer. Is he worth offering his $4M qualifying offer tying up $6M+ for his cap hold? If he gets a multiyear offer is it worth matching? He's also 26, how much more room for improvement is there? What about Ledo who's also a free agent this Summer? Early has one more year on his deal, will next season be too soon to judge him?

In terms of Schved I think he's worth $4 mil. Schved just needed minutes and a good role. Ledo is a baby still and hasn't been properly developed yet. You can already see some of his skills at this level and I think with a summer of real pro training he's a much better player next year. Early finally started coming around and I think he's gonna mature just fine. Thanasis has shown some good signs as well. It's all a process.

Lets remember that these guys are for the most part affordable and still improving. The crazy thing is all the complaining about the Knicks not developing young players and now that we have a bunch of them people wanna kick dirt on them and suggest the ma be a waste of time. True development comes from being willing to keep some players in your system long enough to see them fully develop.

The complaints about not developing our young players is because we're playing guys who aren't going to be on the team (Jason Smith) or shouldn't be on the team (Bargnani) next season. It doesn't mean that when those players do play we can't look at them with a critical eye and try to project what they're going to be in the future.

Ricky Ledo plays more like an undersized SF with a body of SG, a poor mans Durant, he is a SCORER

I love Thanasis and his upside
Though most of us wanted Vucevevic who went 1 pick b4 him, I also really liked Iman Shumpert when we drafted him, it is unfortunate we couldnt fully develop him and with his injury as well