Bonn1997 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:You still miss the point:

An entire season was completely thrown out!

Do you throw out an entire year of your life? Do you not wash and shower for an entire year? Do you not hang with family and friends for an entire year? Of course not. No one does away with good things for an entire year. No one just wastes an entire year! No one except Knick management. An entire year of basketball was thrown away and we are told that's a good thing.

Hey, I look forward to my season of Knicks. To have that entire season just ripped from me was wrong.
I don't care about next year. This 2014/15 season should have mattered, no? As I said, we lose with Shump and Chandler and Amare and Pablo, I could deal with that...that's sports. But to see night after night Barry Larkin's kid, and Stymie, and Lance "Believe It Or Not I Went To Duke" Thomas...man, you can not do that to a fan base.

Yes you do! When it's the only logical way...

This explains so much

It was the logical thing to do and i'm glad that Phil decided to start over. I was hopeful that the team would perform better but since things fell apart it only made sense to take advantage of that circumstance and clean out the roster. Now it turns out that we are in the running for a top pick so that's a good thing to come out of a bad situation.

Phil did not have much choice here ...

You don't just place your head under a trough on purpose and say that I wanted the crap to clean my hair

In the past the Knicks would have made a horrible trade to chase the 8th seed. Once it as clear that this group wasn't going to do much moving on was the right thing to do.

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Was there ever a past situation like this - where we were quickly so far out of the playoff race?

Last season and the Larry brown season, off the top of my head- the rest of the past decade has merged into one never ending mess in my mind

FireWoodson wrote:

Everything this season turned out exactly the way it should've....

You people at this site seem to all have this outlook. Well, let me help you out with something --- you are all f...ing ridiculous! An entire season of Knick basketball is completely lost and you happily look to next season.

Don't you look forward to b-ball season? Well, are you happy that this entire season was turned into the worst season of b-ball Knick fans have ever witnessed? Oh, but things turned out exactly the way they should. Under cap, top pick. You people throw out an entire year of your team and live on stupid hope and illusion that in five years we will be winning a Championship.

An entire season wasted! I wanted Shump and JR for this season. And Tyson and Amare. We lose with them, hell, at least we fielded something that was an NBA team. I went to Westchester to watch the D-League team. I could have saved money on gas and just went to the Garden. We were given sh!t this year and some of you just ate it up and thanked Phil for serving it to you. Boy, you are so easy to please.

"Hey, folks, I'll give you a 14 win season, I'll give you D-league and ten day guys who no one knows, I'll give you a coach who never coached a game in his life, I'll trade award winning players and bring in Stymie, Thor, and the most unknown and worst player Duke ever had, and to top it all off I'll tell you this is the plan, it's all working out."

Yup, Phil served you dog sh!t and you smiled and ask for seconds. At least I spit my serving out. Fuck this season and f..k next season. We will be worse!

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Preach it, brother! This man knows what he's talking about....I couldn't agree more.
Many people here have blinders on. The Knicks will (maybe) play .320 ball next season.
Can't wait to read the excuses that get posted next year. Ridiculous is right.

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:You still miss the point:

An entire season was completely thrown out!

Do you throw out an entire year of your life? Do you not wash and shower for an entire year? Do you not hang with family and friends for an entire year? Of course not. No one does away with good things for an entire year. No one just wastes an entire year! No one except Knick management. An entire year of basketball was thrown away and we are told that's a good thing.

Hey, I look forward to my season of Knicks. To have that entire season just ripped from me was wrong.
I don't care about next year. This 2014/15 season should have mattered, no? As I said, we lose with Shump and Chandler and Amare and Pablo, I could deal with that...that's sports. But to see night after night Barry Larkin's kid, and Stymie, and Lance "Believe It Or Not I Went To Duke" Thomas...man, you can not do that to a fan base.

Yes you do! When it's the only logical way...

This explains so much

It was the logical thing to do and i'm glad that Phil decided to start over. I was hopeful that the team would perform better but since things fell apart it only made sense to take advantage of that circumstance and clean out the roster. Now it turns out that we are in the running for a top pick so that's a good thing to come out of a bad situation.

Phil did not have much choice here ...

You don't just place your head under a trough on purpose and say that I wanted the crap to clean my hair

In the past the Knicks would have made a horrible trade to chase the 8th seed. Once it as clear that this group wasn't going to do much moving on was the right thing to do.

The problem is the same people would be defending them for trying to make the playoffs. Check out the threads during the past 15yrs

FireWoodson wrote:

nixluva wrote:The Hawks aren't sexy names but they fit together in such a way that they are very successful...

I am not looking for the sexy names. Your example of Atlanta is spot on. But you are missing another point. Atlanta was a playoff team last year, not a 14 win team. It didn't take them much to get to where they are now.

On the other hand, we SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have lost 61 games!!!!!!!!!!!!! It is going to take a core of guys like Atlanta has, plus the sexy big name free agents, plus a franchise changing young draft pick, plus a veteran coach to move us away from a 14 win season. We need soooooo much. You think that's all going to happen by October?

We are well f..cked for next year and the next year. Three seasons of sad basketball in the best city on Earth. We deserve better.

Where does the is self entitlement come from? Why do we deserve a good team? Its business.

We suck this year, bottoming out and if you can get a pick that is a potential top 10 player then you change.
Melo himself can't do it. Not sure any one player can.
Add 25 mil in cap and you can add role players. Some good ones.

So phuch off and don't tell me how I should feel about this team. If some want to be optimistic about a rebuild who cares!
If you want to extrapolate the present into the future then have at it.

This is the first time we have a GM thats strong enough to withstand the pressure from fans, season holders and the NY Media. This is also the first time Dolan publicly said he's taking a back seat. Dolan is learning from the Rangers, which is great. Stop micro managing and let the basketball experts figure this thing out. But as always, theres always a few of us that don't understand what tanking means. Even if it's not on purpose. Even if we accidentally fell into getting the chance at the first #1 pick since Pat Ewing. Accidentally got enough cap space to build a team from scratch. We STILL have fans complaining about other fans that are optimistic? Complaining about Phil Jackson, who forgot more basketball stuff we will ever know....Really?....Has it gotten that bad? Have we forgot about some of the lack of basketball knowledge that used to run this franchise? Haven't we bled enough already, watching through a dirty glass while others are picking championship pieces every year....And we keep picking near the bottom of the draft.....or watch others take our picks just to make them better....while we still suck?

I don't get why optimism or pessimism causes so much anger towards each other? It's time for everybody to grow up and stop being so damn sensitive on both sides.....Who gives a **** if somebody farts orange and blue all day (thats called a die hard fan)....Who gives a **** if somebody continues to trash and hate knick management and ownership?....We live in a sensitive ass world these days.....It's an OPEN forum. Whats the point of being a fan, if all you do is trash your own team and continue to hate every move we make? In all seriousness, its not the most healthy way to live life with so much anger and animosity built in. It's probably better to just find a new team. A well run organization....There's lots of them to choose from......There will be room on the bandwagon if you return. The door is always open!

It's very easy to point out the problems......It's another thing to come up with solutions....So far the only solutions I hear comes from optimistic fans....While pessimistic fans sit back waiting to point their finger.....Getting ready to start another "I told you so thread"

StraightShot wrote:I understand the frustration, and so does Jim Dolan. He wrote a whole song about it. It is called "Fix the Knicks". Jim Dolan is a very persistent man - he never quits. He is going to see this thing through until the Knicks are a success. He has seen his share of adversity - he overcame drug and alcohol addiction to become a successful executive. We should follow Jim's example and hang in there come hell or high water. Victory will be all the more sweet when it comes.

I think at this point, if anybody admits to being a knick fan, thats all the evidence you need as somebody hanging in there. Just wearing knicks gear, it's like walking on stage and having tomatoes thrown in your face. I think frustration has built up for so long, anger has to come out towards somebody....And Dolan, along with any Dolan supporter usually gets the blunt of this frustration.

StraightShot wrote:I understand the frustration, and so does Jim Dolan. He wrote a whole song about it. It is called "Fix the Knicks". Jim Dolan is a very persistent man - he never quits. He is going to see this thing through until the Knicks are a success. He has seen his share of adversity - he overcame drug and alcohol addiction to become a successful executive. We should follow Jim's example and hang in there come hell or high water. Victory will be all the more sweet when it comes.

Sycophant? Or maybe press agent?

Dolan is the cancer that holds this team down. Fuck Dolan.

smackeddog wrote:

markvmc wrote:The Knicks are a good metaphor for life. There are always those who try to tell you that it's bound to get better, but they're usually wrong.

Not really- it can get better or it can get worse, or sometimes both. It's unpredictable and constantly changing. With life you have some control over it, where as with the knicks we don't. You can choose whether or not to follow them though- if you find they make you miserable and feel there is no hope, then find a new interest that you actually enjoy.

You heard complaints about the Knicks but if they turned on the team, got tired of the losing, they found something else to talk about, something else to do. I guess the internet changed that.