fishmike wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:His best game as a pro for sure.. but like every player on this current roster, they have all had 2 or 3 good games. They are just sooooooooo inconsistent. The worse thing somebody can be is inconsistent, you just don't know what to expect and they become completely unreliable.

Think about anybody in your life that's inconsistent, how often you would prefer to deal with them?

I like what he did on the court last night; but if he comes back his second season and struggle like THJ, some here will want him out of town pronto. That goes for any young player we decide to draft (Okafor, towns, Russell, Mud-Yae:), etc). This town is simply not a place for young players to thrive; because, fans around here are not patient enough to watch them develop.

Thats BS... people here didnt want the Melo trade because the young crop of players was good and most wanted to see that group develop. Cant disagree more.

THjr isnt a case of lack of patience. Its a case of lack of good play. THjr's problem has been the same. He does nothing when he's not shooting the ball. This year he had a couple games where he hit the boards and did some other things, but the effort simply wasnt there.

It's more to player development then on the court, it takes vets, leaders, and a great coach. A lot goes on in the NYC, and it's just hard to keep these young guys focus. IMO it's not really the town you want to develop young players, at least not more than one or 2 at a time.

You can go back to Nate, lee, chandler, gallo, guys who really had no leadership or veteran presence, and just a host of other young players around them. You need mostly vets to raise young players.

nixluva wrote:I have to laugh as some of the crass and impatient posters on this forum when it comes to our own young prospects. Can we give them more than one or two seasons to actually develop? Thank God none of these guys are talent evaluators cuz you can't develop players if you lack patience. These young players aren't really costing the team much and they aren't high picks to begin with so you know they will need some time to develop.

We've seen some very good signs from Early. He's looking more and more like the kid with talent and aggressiveness that we saw in college. Last night there was no hesitancy and he looked quick and athletic, which he always was but we forget he actually had surgery and injuries that set him back a couple of times. It was good to see him playing loose and aggressive. You know the Spurs spend multiple years developing guys. They don't always give up on players they believe in. That's why they seem to always have solid players coming in for them.

It's the way the same people who insist we should have traded Melo for picks, are the least patient when it comes to developing players we end up picking- the tyson trade complainers act like Early and Thannasis don't exist.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:His best game as a pro for sure.. but like every player on this current roster, they have all had 2 or 3 good games. They are just sooooooooo inconsistent. The worse thing somebody can be is inconsistent, you just don't know what to expect and they become completely unreliable.

Think about anybody in your life that's inconsistent, how often you would prefer to deal with them?

I like what he did on the court last night; but if he comes back his second season and struggle like THJ, some here will want him out of town pronto. That goes for any young player we decide to draft (Okafor, towns, Russell, Mud-Yae:), etc). This town is simply not a place for young players to thrive; because, fans around here are not patient enough to watch them develop.

Thats BS... people here didnt want the Melo trade because the young crop of players was good and most wanted to see that group develop. Cant disagree more.

THjr isnt a case of lack of patience. Its a case of lack of good play. THjr's problem has been the same. He does nothing when he's not shooting the ball. This year he had a couple games where he hit the boards and did some other things, but the effort simply wasnt there.

It's more to player development then on the court, it takes vets, leaders, and a great coach. A lot goes on in the NYC, and it's just hard to keep these young guys focus. IMO it's not really the town you want to develop young players, at least not more than one or 2 at a time.

You can go back to Nate, lee, chandler, gallo, guys who really had no leadership or veteran presence, and just a host of other young players around them. You need mostly vets to raise young players.

I dont follow... all those players you mentioned developed nicely (here). We either traded them in the Melo deal or in Lee's case wanted the money for Lebron Amare

They may have develop in terms of skills, but understand how to win and prepare for games (the mental aspect)they weren't close.

It does take a lot of patience, 3 to 5 yrs, but by then your so fed up of losing you trade these same players. You will not win a lot of games with a young roster period. The game is 70% mental.

mreinman wrote:I would really love to see more Lance Thomas and Larkin and less of Early.

April fools was yesterday...

He's shown flashes- but has still makes a lot of bonehead plays. He seems more willing to dribble with the ball these days, which was criticism in the past. Still weak in terms of a post-up game.

Its all about feeling confident offensively, and IMO he's made some progress. He's much further ahead on the defensive end, although he still overreacts too often. Has some quick feet, though, which is nice to see, and seems to have some shot-blocking ability as a help defender.

He should be getting about 35MPG for the rest of the season, unless he has foul issues.

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:thank god.. I mean he's still a 2nd rounder he looked very good on both ends. Hit a big shot, made some good defensive plays, had a + stat line, moved the ball... fingers crossed

It's amazing how everyone expects a 2nd round pick that has gotten hardly no floor time to just be a great player from day 1.
I'm with you that i think the kid has promise and just needs actual floor/game time to get better which he hasn't got yet. He just needs to get the confidence in his play and his shot.

why has he played so little? Cause we could not afford to lose games?

do you even follow the Knicks? He's been hurt plenty over the course of the season. Even had surgery.

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:thank god.. I mean he's still a 2nd rounder he looked very good on both ends. Hit a big shot, made some good defensive plays, had a + stat line, moved the ball... fingers crossed

It's amazing how everyone expects a 2nd round pick that has gotten hardly no floor time to just be a great player from day 1.
I'm with you that i think the kid has promise and just needs actual floor/game time to get better which he hasn't got yet. He just needs to get the confidence in his play and his shot.

why has he played so little? Cause we could not afford to lose games?

do you even follow the Knicks? He's been hurt plenty over the course of the season. Even had surgery.

Unfortunately, I still watch almost every game.

He had many games where he did not play (or play only a couple of minutes) due to coaches decisions.

mreinman wrote:

martin wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

fishmike wrote:thank god.. I mean he's still a 2nd rounder he looked very good on both ends. Hit a big shot, made some good defensive plays, had a + stat line, moved the ball... fingers crossed

It's amazing how everyone expects a 2nd round pick that has gotten hardly no floor time to just be a great player from day 1.
I'm with you that i think the kid has promise and just needs actual floor/game time to get better which he hasn't got yet. He just needs to get the confidence in his play and his shot.

why has he played so little? Cause we could not afford to lose games?

do you even follow the Knicks? He's been hurt plenty over the course of the season. Even had surgery.

Unfortunately, I still watch almost every game.

He had many games where he did not play (or play only a couple of minutes) due to coaches decisions.

Or happened to be in Westchester at the time. He's been brought up and down 3 or 4 times at least.