TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:The Sixers get the Lakers pick if it # 6 this would be a case of #1 for #4 and 6 We get the guards here and go for two bigs in free agency

The reasons why I doubt this would happen

1) The Knicks might not win the draft lottery. Very rarely have I seen you give any other scenario than the Knicks winning the the draft lottery.

2) It's no lock yet that Philly will get the Lakers pick

3) Philly has its current highly drafted core to be Embiid, Noel and Saric. They need wings more than they need help in their future frontcourt.

4) Philly would have to be willing to trade, not just to another Eastern team, but another team in the Atlantic. For a small trade like 2nd rounders, Wear and Outlaw and such, that's one thing. For a major trade as such though?

5) You can't have it both ways, you've said this draft is unusually deep. If that's so, and it's widely seen as so, why would the Philly franchise give up two assets for one?

6) The reason a team is willing to trade down is the same reason no team would want to trade up. The reason a team would want to trade up is the same reason the team holding that pick wouldn't want to trade down. This variable problem is one of the reasons why the No#1 overall is so rarely dealt in any of the major pro sports.

I agree with everything except for maybe 4, i doubt they would care since they are so far away from competing.

franco12 wrote:Has any team in recent history traded the #1 pick (after receiving it)?

What about top 4?

Sure, we've traded the #2 pick, but that was long before the draft when idiot management thought we would be good.

Football & maybe baseball trade picks all the time- Football, if I understand it, has a formula for the value of picks.

I don't see any team in the top 5 trading down.

Philly might trade up from lets say 4 & 6 if they thought 1 or 2 were franchise caliber players.

But if they think that, why don't we think that?

I think any trade by us moves us mid to end of first round at best.

Honestly, its far safer to stay put and pick the consensus player.

There is no consensus player

BRIGGS wrote:

crzymdups wrote:I love Russell. I think he's got huge potential. Part of me hopes that the Knicks are forced into picking him somehow.

Well getting pick #1 gives us leverage over the entire draft. I think Id probably take Towns at about an 80% clip right now but my ears would be open if Philly got pick 3 and 6 and wanted 1.

I would do the trade if I could get Mudiay and Kaminsky. Pick up Kanter in FA along with Dragic.

TripleThreat wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:Would be a lot cheaper for the Knicks to develop a franchise PG than finding one in free agency.

Solid point guard play can be found all over the draft board. NBA draft history shows this.

Getting a franchise pivot though, usually that only happens in the top of the draft. Much harder to find a franchise pivot.

As I said in many earlier posts. It's not time to complicate things. Keep it simple.

Draft the best pivot possible. ( Follow basic positional value dependent on scarcity. Centers > Wings > Point Guards > Stretch Power Forwards ) Stick to a college trained player in the US versus some international stash ( like an Exum or a Cabolco situation). Stick to a player from a "feeder" college factory than some fringe school. Pick a guy with a high defensive floor versus not. Pick a black guy over a white guy or any other race. ( This is where Briggs calls me a racist, but in context, the rate of return on highly drafted non African American/black players in general, and then again in the lottery format, is pretty low) Pick the guy with the least troubling injury history. Pick the guy least likely to end up coked out, shooting up a school yard or beating one of his 9 flight attendant baby mommas.

No point in complicating the situation. Take the player who offers the least amount of risk and the most overall positional value, in so much as is possible at this point and stage of development.

I won't be responding to your posts anymore, too much bile.

franco12 wrote:Has any team in recent history traded the #1 pick (after receiving it)?

What about top 4?

i can't remember if it ever happened before last year.. but yea it happened last yr...