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4/1/2015  7:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/1/2015  7:46 PM
crzymdups wrote:Monroe is one of the worst defenders in the league. Pairing him with Melo at the forward spots is a recipe for disaster.

This isn't true though. I can't say I have studied his game more anything. But he is ranked 46th in the NBA in defensive win shares. That's 46th out of the 485 players ranked(Tim Hardaway jr is ranked 484th). And is only .1 from being comparable to a Jimmy Butler. He also hold s a 103 defensive rating which is pretty good.

Then you look at his passing potential, rebounding, and back to basket game and the fact that he is only 24 yrs old. 16-18 foot jump shot can be developed.

I can see him going to a better situation then Detroit and blossoming and getting really good by the time he turns 28.

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newyorknewyork wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Monroe is one of the worst defenders in the league. Pairing him with Melo at the forward spots is a recipe for disaster.

This isn't true though. I can't say I have studied his game more anything. But he is ranked 46th in the NBA in defensive win shares. That's 46th out of the 485 players ranked(Tim Hardaway jr is ranked 484th). And is only .1 from being comparable to a Jimmy Butler.

Then you look at his passing potential, rebounding, and back to basket game and the fact that he is only 24 yrs old. 16-18 foot jump shot can be developed.

I can see him going to a better situation then Detroit and blossoming and getting really good by the time he turns 28.

tight ... he is not nearly as bad as Kanter.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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4/1/2015  7:53 PM
Plus he has been pretty durable for the most part. There are a lot of positive signs.

His defensive win shares are higher then Blake Griffen, Jonas Valanicuas, Hassan Whiteside, Nikolie Vucevic, Faried, Kante, Howard, Robin and Brook Lopez and many more.

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4/1/2015  8:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/1/2015  8:43 PM
crzymdups wrote:Monroe is one of the worst defenders in the league. Pairing him with Melo at the forward spots is a recipe for disaster.

This is not accurate at all. He's an average defender at worst
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newyorknewyork wrote:Plus he has been pretty durable for the most part. There are a lot of positive signs.

His defensive win shares are higher then Blake Griffen, Jonas Valanicuas, Hassan Whiteside, Nikolie Vucevic, Faried, Kante, Howard, Robin and Brook Lopez and many more.

his defensive dashoard on nba.com shows that he is a slightly below avg defender. I think his offense and rebounding can make up for that. Who knows he is still young maybe he can continue to get better as a defender?

I am warming up to Monroe. He's just not my 1st choice and hopefully not at a max contract
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crzymdups wrote:Monroe is one of the worst defenders in the league. Pairing him with Melo at the forward spots is a recipe for disaster.

There's more to the picture than singling out one aspect and trying to make that a reason not to get a player. Monroe is a top PF and he's young.


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards
RK	PLAYER	                GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	Anthony Davis, NO	59	36.3	.595	8.4	5.8	25.8	8.2	24.4	16.3	31.14	627.0	20.9
2	Blake Griffin, LAC	60	35.3	.554	18.8	8.2	26.9	6.3	18.1	12.3	23.06	365.4	12.2
3	Pau Gasol, CHI	        70	34.5	.553	12.8	9.4	23.2	8.9	28.0	18.7	22.90	410.5	13.7
4	LaMarcus Aldridge, POR	65	35.6	.529	6.9	6.8	27.5	7.7	23.2	15.6	22.89	393.7	13.1
5	Derrick Favors, UTAH	68	31.5	.565	8.7	9.1	22.0	9.8	20.6	15.2	22.27	343.9	11.5
6	Tim Duncan, SA	        69	29.4	.546	17.3	9.6	21.0	8.9	26.6	17.8	22.06	319.3	10.6
7	Greg Monroe, DET	64	31.1	.548	10.8	11.9	22.8	11.3	25.7	18.1	21.14	286.6	9.6
8	Brandan Wright, 	70	18.5	.669	8.4	6.1	13.9	0.0	0.0	0.0	20.87	181.1	6.0
9	Ed Davis, LAL	        71	23.5	.608	13.9	8.2	13.7	13.1	22.2	17.5	20.40	221.9	7.4
10	Paul Millsap, ATL	71	33.0	.568	14.9	11.5	22.2	6.9	20.0	13.7	20.20	304.5	10.1
11	Zach Randolph, MEM	64	32.5	.537	10.7	11.2	22.7	11.4	25.9	18.7	19.74	255.7	8.5
12	Dirk Nowitzki, DAL	70	29.6	.555	10.3	5.5	22.9	2.3	20.2	11.2	19.24	239.2	8.0
13	Kevin Love, CLE	        70	34.1	.561	12.4	8.7	20.4	6.7	26.7	16.8	19.06	269.6	9.0
14	David Lee, GS	        44	19.1	.549	17.7	9.5	18.6	9.9	20.6	15.4	18.89	92.5	3.1
15	Terrence Jones, HOU	25	27.5	.560	6.5	8.0	17.5	10.3	19.1	14.7	18.76	74.6	2.5
16	Jared Sullinger, BOS	51	28.7	.512	13.5	7.7	22.2	10.1	21.1	15.5	18.50	152.7	5.1
17	James Johnson, TOR	63	19.9	.617	15.7	12.2	16.3	5.1	16.9	11.0	18.41	129.0	4.3
18	Nikola Mirotic, CHI	74	19.9	.560	10.8	9.4	21.0	4.2	22.5	13.6	18.08	144.6	4.8
19	Charlie Villanueva, DAL	56	10.2	.542	4.2	7.3	24.2	4.8	19.9	12.3	17.81	54.0	1.8
20	Kenneth Faried, DEN	68	27.6	.539	8.7	10.8	18.4	11.4	23.0	17.0	17.76	175.3	5.8
Power Forward Defensive Win shares:
Rk  Player	     Pos  Age  Tm  G  MP   PER  TS%  ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL%  BLK%  TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS ▾  WS  WS/48  VORP
1  Nerlens Noel	     PF   20   PHI 71 2202 14.9 .495 8.1   21.0  14.3  9.6   2.9   5.1   16.5  17.0 -0.3  4.2   3.9  .084   1.6
2  Paul Millsap	     PF   29   ATL 71 2346 20.2 .568 6.9   20.0  13.7  15.3  2.7   2.4   13.4  23.9  4.0  4.1   8.1  .166   3.7
3  Tim Duncan	     PF   38   SAS 69 2026 22.0 .546 8.9   26.6  17.8  16.9  1.4   5.0   11.6  22.3  4.1  4.1   8.2  .194   3.5
4  Andre Drummond    C    21   DET 74 2241 21.6 .503 18.3  29.9  23.8  3.8   1.6   4.7   9.4   21.8  3.1  3.9   7.0  .150   1.1
5  Pau Gasol	     PF   34   CHI 70 2412 22.8 .553 8.9   28.0  18.7  14.7  0.5   4.0	 10.8  24.6  5.5  3.9   9.4  .187   3.0
6  Anthony Davis     PF   21   NOP 59 2139 31.1	.595 8.2   24.4  16.3  10.8  2.1   6.2   6.4   27.8  8.8  3.6	12.4 .278   4.9
7  LaMarcus Aldridge PF   29   POR 65 2316 22.8	.529 7.7   23.2  15.6  9.3   0.9   1.9   7.3   30.1  4.6  3.6   8.2  .169   1.3
8  Zach Randolph     PF   33   MEM 64 2079 19.7	.537 11.4  25.9  18.7  11.1  1.5   0.5   12.5  24.5  3.1  3.3   6.4  .148   1.7
9  Josh Smith	     PF   29   TOT 75 2097 14.6	.464 7.3   18.2  12.6  20.9  1.9   3.9   16.1  24.6  -1.2 3.1	1.9  .043   1.5
10 Khris Middleton   PF   23   MIL 71 2122 15.6	.563 2.3   14.5  8.5   12.5  2.6   0.4   10.8  19.7  2.9  3.0	5.8  .132   1.8
11 Derrick Favors    PF   23   UTA 68 2140 22.2	.565 9.8   20.6  15.2  9.4   1.4   4.3   9.9   23.6  5.1  3.0	8.1  .181   2.5
12 Serge Ibaka       PF   25   OKC 64 2116 16.6	.549 7.0   18.0  12.6  4.2   0.7   5.8   10.4  19.0  2.9  2.9	5.8  .131   1.5
13 Kevin Love	     PF   26   CLE 70 2390 19.0	.561 6.7   26.7  16.8  10.9  1.0   1.1   10.0  21.6  5.6  2.8	8.4  .168   2.4
14 Marvin Williams   PF   28   CHO 69 1782 11.5	.547 3.1   17.4  10.1  7.3   1.7   1.4   10.4  13.1  1.3  2.5	3.8  .102   1.3
15 Markieff Morris   PF   25   PHO 75 2355 16.0	.525 4.7   16.3  10.5  11.7  2.0   1.1   12.2  23.5  1.9  2.5   4.4  .089   1.0
16 Greg Monroe	     PF	  24   DET 64 1991 21.1	.548 11.2  25.7  18.1  11.6  1.7   1.2   13.4  23.9  3.6  2.5	6.1  .147   1.8
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nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Monroe is one of the worst defenders in the league. Pairing him with Melo at the forward spots is a recipe for disaster.

There's more to the picture than singling out one aspect and trying to make that a reason not to get a player. Monroe is a top PF and he's young.


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards
RK	PLAYER	                GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	Anthony Davis, NO	59	36.3	.595	8.4	5.8	25.8	8.2	24.4	16.3	31.14	627.0	20.9
2	Blake Griffin, LAC	60	35.3	.554	18.8	8.2	26.9	6.3	18.1	12.3	23.06	365.4	12.2
3	Pau Gasol, CHI	        70	34.5	.553	12.8	9.4	23.2	8.9	28.0	18.7	22.90	410.5	13.7
4	LaMarcus Aldridge, POR	65	35.6	.529	6.9	6.8	27.5	7.7	23.2	15.6	22.89	393.7	13.1
5	Derrick Favors, UTAH	68	31.5	.565	8.7	9.1	22.0	9.8	20.6	15.2	22.27	343.9	11.5
6	Tim Duncan, SA	        69	29.4	.546	17.3	9.6	21.0	8.9	26.6	17.8	22.06	319.3	10.6
7	Greg Monroe, DET	64	31.1	.548	10.8	11.9	22.8	11.3	25.7	18.1	21.14	286.6	9.6
8	Brandan Wright, 	70	18.5	.669	8.4	6.1	13.9	0.0	0.0	0.0	20.87	181.1	6.0
9	Ed Davis, LAL	        71	23.5	.608	13.9	8.2	13.7	13.1	22.2	17.5	20.40	221.9	7.4
10	Paul Millsap, ATL	71	33.0	.568	14.9	11.5	22.2	6.9	20.0	13.7	20.20	304.5	10.1
11	Zach Randolph, MEM	64	32.5	.537	10.7	11.2	22.7	11.4	25.9	18.7	19.74	255.7	8.5
12	Dirk Nowitzki, DAL	70	29.6	.555	10.3	5.5	22.9	2.3	20.2	11.2	19.24	239.2	8.0
13	Kevin Love, CLE	        70	34.1	.561	12.4	8.7	20.4	6.7	26.7	16.8	19.06	269.6	9.0
14	David Lee, GS	        44	19.1	.549	17.7	9.5	18.6	9.9	20.6	15.4	18.89	92.5	3.1
15	Terrence Jones, HOU	25	27.5	.560	6.5	8.0	17.5	10.3	19.1	14.7	18.76	74.6	2.5
16	Jared Sullinger, BOS	51	28.7	.512	13.5	7.7	22.2	10.1	21.1	15.5	18.50	152.7	5.1
17	James Johnson, TOR	63	19.9	.617	15.7	12.2	16.3	5.1	16.9	11.0	18.41	129.0	4.3
18	Nikola Mirotic, CHI	74	19.9	.560	10.8	9.4	21.0	4.2	22.5	13.6	18.08	144.6	4.8
19	Charlie Villanueva, DAL	56	10.2	.542	4.2	7.3	24.2	4.8	19.9	12.3	17.81	54.0	1.8
20	Kenneth Faried, DEN	68	27.6	.539	8.7	10.8	18.4	11.4	23.0	17.0	17.76	175.3	5.8
Power Forward Defensive Win shares:
Rk  Player	     Pos  Age  Tm  G  MP   PER  TS%  ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL%  BLK%  TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS ▾  WS  WS/48  VORP
1  Nerlens Noel	     PF   20   PHI 71 2202 14.9 .495 8.1   21.0  14.3  9.6   2.9   5.1   16.5  17.0 -0.3  4.2   3.9  .084   1.6
2  Paul Millsap	     PF   29   ATL 71 2346 20.2 .568 6.9   20.0  13.7  15.3  2.7   2.4   13.4  23.9  4.0  4.1   8.1  .166   3.7
3  Tim Duncan	     PF   38   SAS 69 2026 22.0 .546 8.9   26.6  17.8  16.9  1.4   5.0   11.6  22.3  4.1  4.1   8.2  .194   3.5
4  Andre Drummond    C    21   DET 74 2241 21.6 .503 18.3  29.9  23.8  3.8   1.6   4.7   9.4   21.8  3.1  3.9   7.0  .150   1.1
5  Pau Gasol	     PF   34   CHI 70 2412 22.8 .553 8.9   28.0  18.7  14.7  0.5   4.0	 10.8  24.6  5.5  3.9   9.4  .187   3.0
6  Anthony Davis     PF   21   NOP 59 2139 31.1	.595 8.2   24.4  16.3  10.8  2.1   6.2   6.4   27.8  8.8  3.6	12.4 .278   4.9
7  LaMarcus Aldridge PF   29   POR 65 2316 22.8	.529 7.7   23.2  15.6  9.3   0.9   1.9   7.3   30.1  4.6  3.6   8.2  .169   1.3
8  Zach Randolph     PF   33   MEM 64 2079 19.7	.537 11.4  25.9  18.7  11.1  1.5   0.5   12.5  24.5  3.1  3.3   6.4  .148   1.7
9  Josh Smith	     PF   29   TOT 75 2097 14.6	.464 7.3   18.2  12.6  20.9  1.9   3.9   16.1  24.6  -1.2 3.1	1.9  .043   1.5
10 Khris Middleton   PF   23   MIL 71 2122 15.6	.563 2.3   14.5  8.5   12.5  2.6   0.4   10.8  19.7  2.9  3.0	5.8  .132   1.8
11 Derrick Favors    PF   23   UTA 68 2140 22.2	.565 9.8   20.6  15.2  9.4   1.4   4.3   9.9   23.6  5.1  3.0	8.1  .181   2.5
12 Serge Ibaka       PF   25   OKC 64 2116 16.6	.549 7.0   18.0  12.6  4.2   0.7   5.8   10.4  19.0  2.9  2.9	5.8  .131   1.5
13 Kevin Love	     PF   26   CLE 70 2390 19.0	.561 6.7   26.7  16.8  10.9  1.0   1.1   10.0  21.6  5.6  2.8	8.4  .168   2.4
14 Marvin Williams   PF   28   CHO 69 1782 11.5	.547 3.1   17.4  10.1  7.3   1.7   1.4   10.4  13.1  1.3  2.5	3.8  .102   1.3
15 Markieff Morris   PF   25   PHO 75 2355 16.0	.525 4.7   16.3  10.5  11.7  2.0   1.1   12.2  23.5  1.9  2.5   4.4  .089   1.0
16 Greg Monroe	     PF	  24   DET 64 1991 21.1	.548 11.2  25.7  18.1  11.6  1.7   1.2   13.4  23.9  3.6  2.5	6.1  .147   1.8

Damn, Tim Duncan #6 & #3 at 38 yrs old.

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http://www.detroitbadboys.com/2015/1/30/7913159/pistons-news-roundup-greg-monroe-defense-trade-rumors

Greg Monroe an underrated defender

Slow-footed. Not athletic enough. Poor defensive awareness. Below-average shot blocker. Greg Monroe has heard it all before. Even when he was playing college hoops, the New Orleans native was already well aware of what was being said of his defensive ability. Since his arrival in the NBA, the soft spoken center has shed a few of the negative tags that followed him into the League, and built upon his tantalizing offensive skill set. However, five years into his career, questions are still being asked about his seeming lack of defensive skills, but his new coach wants to set the record straight, per The Detroit News' Vincent Goodwill:

"I think Greg's actually pretty good defensively," Van Gundy said. "I've thought that all year. He's a very good low post defender, in my opinion. And he's a smart defender. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes [...] His mental approach and ability makes him a solid defender."

Although he is somewhat slow-footed, Monroe, like the Moose, is a solid and wide player, who doesn't often get beat on the low block - due mostly to his positioning. Whilst he doesn't block many shots (0.6 BPG for his career), he has quick hands and looks to strip opponents when they drive to the basket, evident in his 1.6 steals per game. Defensive basketball IQ and positioning are hard statistics to quantify, Monroe has often been relied on to guard opposing centers when Andre is unable to. The 24 year-old Georgetown product knows he lacks the athleticism to soar above the rim and swat shots, but relies on his positioning, size and his knowledge of his opponents to keep players away from their favorite scoring areas.

Grantland's Zach Lowe, like Van Gundy, also praised the bigman's defensive energy, pointing out that Monroe is an especially good pick-and-roll defender. Greg has a career 106 Defensive Rating. For comparison, fellow Pistons Andre Drummond and Joel Anthony boast ratings of 102 and 104 respectively, while last year's Defensive Player of the Year, Joakim Noah defended his way to a 96 rating. If those numbers prove anything, it is that Monroe isn't a total defensive liability as some would lead you to believe, but an unheralded defender who knows how to hold his ground.

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newyorknewyork wrote:
nixluva wrote:
crzymdups wrote:Monroe is one of the worst defenders in the league. Pairing him with Melo at the forward spots is a recipe for disaster.

There's more to the picture than singling out one aspect and trying to make that a reason not to get a player. Monroe is a top PF and he's young.


Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Power Forwards
RK	PLAYER	                GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	Anthony Davis, NO	59	36.3	.595	8.4	5.8	25.8	8.2	24.4	16.3	31.14	627.0	20.9
2	Blake Griffin, LAC	60	35.3	.554	18.8	8.2	26.9	6.3	18.1	12.3	23.06	365.4	12.2
3	Pau Gasol, CHI	        70	34.5	.553	12.8	9.4	23.2	8.9	28.0	18.7	22.90	410.5	13.7
4	LaMarcus Aldridge, POR	65	35.6	.529	6.9	6.8	27.5	7.7	23.2	15.6	22.89	393.7	13.1
5	Derrick Favors, UTAH	68	31.5	.565	8.7	9.1	22.0	9.8	20.6	15.2	22.27	343.9	11.5
6	Tim Duncan, SA	        69	29.4	.546	17.3	9.6	21.0	8.9	26.6	17.8	22.06	319.3	10.6
7	Greg Monroe, DET	64	31.1	.548	10.8	11.9	22.8	11.3	25.7	18.1	21.14	286.6	9.6
8	Brandan Wright, 	70	18.5	.669	8.4	6.1	13.9	0.0	0.0	0.0	20.87	181.1	6.0
9	Ed Davis, LAL	        71	23.5	.608	13.9	8.2	13.7	13.1	22.2	17.5	20.40	221.9	7.4
10	Paul Millsap, ATL	71	33.0	.568	14.9	11.5	22.2	6.9	20.0	13.7	20.20	304.5	10.1
11	Zach Randolph, MEM	64	32.5	.537	10.7	11.2	22.7	11.4	25.9	18.7	19.74	255.7	8.5
12	Dirk Nowitzki, DAL	70	29.6	.555	10.3	5.5	22.9	2.3	20.2	11.2	19.24	239.2	8.0
13	Kevin Love, CLE	        70	34.1	.561	12.4	8.7	20.4	6.7	26.7	16.8	19.06	269.6	9.0
14	David Lee, GS	        44	19.1	.549	17.7	9.5	18.6	9.9	20.6	15.4	18.89	92.5	3.1
15	Terrence Jones, HOU	25	27.5	.560	6.5	8.0	17.5	10.3	19.1	14.7	18.76	74.6	2.5
16	Jared Sullinger, BOS	51	28.7	.512	13.5	7.7	22.2	10.1	21.1	15.5	18.50	152.7	5.1
17	James Johnson, TOR	63	19.9	.617	15.7	12.2	16.3	5.1	16.9	11.0	18.41	129.0	4.3
18	Nikola Mirotic, CHI	74	19.9	.560	10.8	9.4	21.0	4.2	22.5	13.6	18.08	144.6	4.8
19	Charlie Villanueva, DAL	56	10.2	.542	4.2	7.3	24.2	4.8	19.9	12.3	17.81	54.0	1.8
20	Kenneth Faried, DEN	68	27.6	.539	8.7	10.8	18.4	11.4	23.0	17.0	17.76	175.3	5.8
Power Forward Defensive Win shares:
Rk  Player	     Pos  Age  Tm  G  MP   PER  TS%  ORB%  DRB%  TRB%  AST%  STL%  BLK%  TOV%  USG%  OWS  DWS ▾  WS  WS/48  VORP
1  Nerlens Noel	     PF   20   PHI 71 2202 14.9 .495 8.1   21.0  14.3  9.6   2.9   5.1   16.5  17.0 -0.3  4.2   3.9  .084   1.6
2  Paul Millsap	     PF   29   ATL 71 2346 20.2 .568 6.9   20.0  13.7  15.3  2.7   2.4   13.4  23.9  4.0  4.1   8.1  .166   3.7
3  Tim Duncan	     PF   38   SAS 69 2026 22.0 .546 8.9   26.6  17.8  16.9  1.4   5.0   11.6  22.3  4.1  4.1   8.2  .194   3.5
4  Andre Drummond    C    21   DET 74 2241 21.6 .503 18.3  29.9  23.8  3.8   1.6   4.7   9.4   21.8  3.1  3.9   7.0  .150   1.1
5  Pau Gasol	     PF   34   CHI 70 2412 22.8 .553 8.9   28.0  18.7  14.7  0.5   4.0	 10.8  24.6  5.5  3.9   9.4  .187   3.0
6  Anthony Davis     PF   21   NOP 59 2139 31.1	.595 8.2   24.4  16.3  10.8  2.1   6.2   6.4   27.8  8.8  3.6	12.4 .278   4.9
7  LaMarcus Aldridge PF   29   POR 65 2316 22.8	.529 7.7   23.2  15.6  9.3   0.9   1.9   7.3   30.1  4.6  3.6   8.2  .169   1.3
8  Zach Randolph     PF   33   MEM 64 2079 19.7	.537 11.4  25.9  18.7  11.1  1.5   0.5   12.5  24.5  3.1  3.3   6.4  .148   1.7
9  Josh Smith	     PF   29   TOT 75 2097 14.6	.464 7.3   18.2  12.6  20.9  1.9   3.9   16.1  24.6  -1.2 3.1	1.9  .043   1.5
10 Khris Middleton   PF   23   MIL 71 2122 15.6	.563 2.3   14.5  8.5   12.5  2.6   0.4   10.8  19.7  2.9  3.0	5.8  .132   1.8
11 Derrick Favors    PF   23   UTA 68 2140 22.2	.565 9.8   20.6  15.2  9.4   1.4   4.3   9.9   23.6  5.1  3.0	8.1  .181   2.5
12 Serge Ibaka       PF   25   OKC 64 2116 16.6	.549 7.0   18.0  12.6  4.2   0.7   5.8   10.4  19.0  2.9  2.9	5.8  .131   1.5
13 Kevin Love	     PF   26   CLE 70 2390 19.0	.561 6.7   26.7  16.8  10.9  1.0   1.1   10.0  21.6  5.6  2.8	8.4  .168   2.4
14 Marvin Williams   PF   28   CHO 69 1782 11.5	.547 3.1   17.4  10.1  7.3   1.7   1.4   10.4  13.1  1.3  2.5	3.8  .102   1.3
15 Markieff Morris   PF   25   PHO 75 2355 16.0	.525 4.7   16.3  10.5  11.7  2.0   1.1   12.2  23.5  1.9  2.5   4.4  .089   1.0
16 Greg Monroe	     PF	  24   DET 64 1991 21.1	.548 11.2  25.7  18.1  11.6  1.7   1.2   13.4  23.9  3.6  2.5	6.1  .147   1.8

Damn, Tim Duncan #6 & #3 at 38 yrs old.

I really like Derrick Favors too. Glad to see he's #5
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Its hard not to notice how good the Pistons are playing without Monroe
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