Knicks1969 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can he be the reverse JR? For Jose and picks I'd do it. I might even throw in THjr

thats actually pretty good... Jose/THjr for Lance and a first rounder. Worth a shot. We get a pick (I hate THjr) and dump Jose's salary and hope like hell Lance takes this seriously

Fishmike, why do you truly hate THJ?

fishmike wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can he be the reverse JR? For Jose and picks I'd do it. I might even throw in THjr

thats actually pretty good... Jose/THjr for Lance and a first rounder. Worth a shot. We get a pick (I hate THjr) and dump Jose's salary and hope like hell Lance takes this seriously

Fishmike, why do you truly hate THJ?

because he's a terrible basketball player and Im sick of people around here thinking he's good and "just needs time" or worse that somehow Fisher didnt develop him right. Even his old man knows he's soft and sucks. There is nothing about his game that says winning player. He was a nice prospect taken in the 20s and what makes those guys stick or flop is their ability to fill out the rest of their games. Defending, rebounding and passing arent bi-monthly endevours. They are for Timmy. Ill take Galloway or Shved over him anyday. If we could get a pick for THjr or use him to facilitate another deal AWESOME.

I agree with your assessment, I just think it is too early to say that he might NEVER get it. But I would trade him and CALDERON in a heartbeat to get a talent like Stephenson and a first round pick

WaltLongmire wrote:Simply stunning how his stock has fallen since leaving the Pacers.

He was making a lot of progress with them the last two years- still in need of improvement, but the guy was a nice all-around player on a very good team.

Almost every aspect of his shooting game has gone down. He was up to 35% from 3 last year and shooting 71% from the line... those numbers are now 16% and 62%, respectively.

There is a cautionary tale to be learned, here. Folks look at this or that player and the stats they have on a certain team, and think it will translate favorably when they play for another team. There are a lot of factors, on the court, in the locker room, and off the court that affect the desire, confidence, and performance of a particular player. We all have the example of JR Smith to support this theory.

No guarantee that the good money you pay someone will result in a good performance on the court.

I would be very wary paying top dollars to a player who has had recent success without a long track record of such success. For me, that would apply to guys like Kanter and Draymond Green, among others.

I would give Stevenson a chance to prove himself if Phil and Fisher think he can play in the system we are choosing to use, especially if we can move Calderon, but I'm not sure how coming back home will affect the guy, and you have to be prepared for problems, especially since the Knicks don't have a veteran team with strong player leaders.

maybe he's hurt ... LOL

Knicks1969 wrote:That dude has not been healthy all season; that is definitely the reason for his poor performance.

ah ... nice

I think that THJ sprained his left testicle too.

Knicks1969 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knicks1969 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can he be the reverse JR? For Jose and picks I'd do it. I might even throw in THjr

thats actually pretty good... Jose/THjr for Lance and a first rounder. Worth a shot. We get a pick (I hate THjr) and dump Jose's salary and hope like hell Lance takes this seriously

Fishmike, why do you truly hate THJ?

because he's a terrible basketball player and Im sick of people around here thinking he's good and "just needs time" or worse that somehow Fisher didnt develop him right. Even his old man knows he's soft and sucks. There is nothing about his game that says winning player. He was a nice prospect taken in the 20s and what makes those guys stick or flop is their ability to fill out the rest of their games. Defending, rebounding and passing arent bi-monthly endevours. They are for Timmy. Ill take Galloway or Shved over him anyday. If we could get a pick for THjr or use him to facilitate another deal AWESOME.

I agree with your assessment, I just think it is too early to say that he might NEVER get it. But I would trade him and CALDERON in a heartbeat to get a talent like Stephenson and a first round pick

The Hornets are not going to trade the better talent (who has a longer contract than Calderon) AND a 1st round pick for Calderon. THJr and Calderon should work though. At this point, I'd role the dice on Stephenson for the year.

fishmike wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Can he be the reverse JR? For Jose and picks I'd do it. I might even throw in THjr

thats actually pretty good... Jose/THjr for Lance and a first rounder. Worth a shot. We get a pick (I hate THjr) and dump Jose's salary and hope like hell Lance takes this seriously

I'd trade Tim Jr for pj hairston (still an iffy prospect but looks like he will be able to do more than just shoot badly). Lance I would consider taking if we strike out in free agency- may as well try him out for a year. I'm suspicious of him as he always played better against us (making him look better than he is) and also I remember reading an article over a year ago that said he wasn't actually as good as he looked (despite his assists, they mainly were last second bail out passes- he's actually quite selfish with the ball)

smackeddog wrote:Also he came into the season over weight and out of shape- not a good sign for a guy who just signed a contract

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

smackeddog wrote:Also he came into the season over weight and out of shape- not a good sign for a guy who just signed a contract

He is only 24, eleven days older than Travis Wear. Hopefully if the Knicks got him he would mature. This experience has to be a bit of an eye opener for him. He has had difficulties in the past though so it is hard to say if he can start to transition into a more mature player on and off the court. Calderon and Tim for him isn't much of a risk at all.

He's been in the league for how many years? How many lessons does it take?
Maturity might be reached at age 50, maybe never.
Jose and Tim might not be acceptable, or on the table.