nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm not against the Knicks taking a look at D Leaguers. However, I think it's a bit much to think any team would want to try and put 3 new D League level players on the team this late in the season. They wouldn't know the system and what to do, on top of having to adjust to the level of play in the NBA. It would not create a good learning environment for them nor a good showcase for them. I think perhaps the Knicks feel they've got enough young developing players on the pro team to deal with at the moment.

Our problem isn't that we don't have enough D League level talent on the roster. Phil is talking about bringing in NBA starting quality players to form a new top 6 rotation with. That's where the real improvement will come from. They can always bring in some young prospects to develop and to fill out the bench next year. I would think all of the top D League guys would be brought up by other losing teams too at this point. If a player is still in the D League right now there could be good reason. Maybe they're being stashed like Thanasis or they just don't fit the needs of any of the other losing teams or they may just not be good enough.

Are you arguing that 11 days ago was more than enough time to bring up a D-League player, Ledo, but today it's too late?

You just read what I wrote so why are you asking what I was arguing? My post was in response to the suggestion of bringing in 3 new D Leaguers to the team. That's perhaps too many raw players to just mix in at this time. I don't see the benefit of doing that at this point. If they did, so what? I don't see it as a reason to bash what they're doing just cuz they haven't done that.

We're pretty close to the end of the year and a nearly complete rebuild of the top 6 rotation players. That's going to be the most important aspect of the teams attempts to improve. We've already got a lot of young prospects who aren't likely to be in that top 6 rotation spots, much less some D League guys we bring up right now.

As an example of what a top 6 rotation could look like.

1. Melo
2. Shved?
3. Green?
4. Draft Pick - OK4 or KAT
5. Monroe?
6. Thanasis?
7. THJ/Early?

This isn't to say this is the exact roster, so let's not go crazy. It's just to suggest that most like any D Leaguer we added would likely fall lower on the rotation for next year. So why should we get nuts over the fact that they haven't brought in more back of rotation players?

Who's Green? Draymond Green? Because we can't afford to sign both Green and Monroe and I doubt GSW doesn't match. And what if we can't sign any of the big free agents? What if the big names sign early to other teams and we're left Melo, Draft Pick X, Early, THJr, Calderon, Galloway, and Wear? That would be a terrible team still. Then we'd really be regretting not bringing in guys who might be legit NBA players. Besides, it never hurts to bring in more talent.

C. Pick,?,lou
Pf. Top FA,Lou
Sf. Melo,early
Sg. shved,Greek,Timmy
Pg. top FA, Galloway,Jose

Phil needs 2 top FA and a back up center

The rest is set

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm not against the Knicks taking a look at D Leaguers. However, I think it's a bit much to think any team would want to try and put 3 new D League level players on the team this late in the season. They wouldn't know the system and what to do, on top of having to adjust to the level of play in the NBA. It would not create a good learning environment for them nor a good showcase for them. I think perhaps the Knicks feel they've got enough young developing players on the pro team to deal with at the moment.

Our problem isn't that we don't have enough D League level talent on the roster. Phil is talking about bringing in NBA starting quality players to form a new top 6 rotation with. That's where the real improvement will come from. They can always bring in some young prospects to develop and to fill out the bench next year. I would think all of the top D League guys would be brought up by other losing teams too at this point. If a player is still in the D League right now there could be good reason. Maybe they're being stashed like Thanasis or they just don't fit the needs of any of the other losing teams or they may just not be good enough.

Are you arguing that 11 days ago was more than enough time to bring up a D-League player, Ledo, but today it's too late?

You just read what I wrote so why are you asking what I was arguing? My post was in response to the suggestion of bringing in 3 new D Leaguers to the team. That's perhaps too many raw players to just mix in at this time. I don't see the benefit of doing that at this point. If they did, so what? I don't see it as a reason to bash what they're doing just cuz they haven't done that.

We're pretty close to the end of the year and a nearly complete rebuild of the top 6 rotation players. That's going to be the most important aspect of the teams attempts to improve. We've already got a lot of young prospects who aren't likely to be in that top 6 rotation spots, much less some D League guys we bring up right now.

As an example of what a top 6 rotation could look like.

1. Melo
2. Shved?
3. Green?
4. Draft Pick - OK4 or KAT
5. Monroe?
6. Thanasis?
7. THJ/Early?

This isn't to say this is the exact roster, so let's not go crazy. It's just to suggest that most like any D Leaguer we added would likely fall lower on the rotation for next year. So why should we get nuts over the fact that they haven't brought in more back of rotation players?

Who's Green? Draymond Green? Because we can't afford to sign both Green and Monroe and I doubt GSW doesn't match. And what if we can't sign any of the big free agents? What if the big names sign early to other teams and we're left Melo, Draft Pick X, Early, THJr, Calderon, Galloway, and Wear? That would be a terrible team still. Then we'd really be regretting not bringing in guys who might be legit NBA players. Besides, it never hurts to bring in more talent.

The Green I was referring to was Danny Green from the Spurs. As for the top names, Phil isn't saying he's depending on signing the big names. He has a LOT of good 2nd and 3rd tier FA's he can target. That's why I made the thread about the FA's who are at the top of the WS/48 list just to show that there are a lot of really good young Vets out there who don't have the big name but can provide a very good value and make a positive impact on the team's ability to win games. You know I do actually contribute more than just pollyanna stuff on this forum as some like to suggest. Don't believe the hype about my posting here. I'm not an idiot.

Rk	Player	                Pos	Age	Tm	G	MP	PER	TS%	WS	WS/48 ▾
1	Brandan Wright	        PF	27	TOT	66	1214	21.6	.681	5.7	.227	
2	DeAndre Jordan	        C	26	LAC	71	2455	20.5	.641	10.6	.207
3	Jimmy Butler	        SG	25	CHI	56	2180	21.0	.577	9.3	.204
4	Jeremy Evans	        SF	27	UTA	28	144	18.1	.586	0.6	.190
5	Kawhi Leonard	        SF	23	SAS	52	1669	21.1	.551	6.5	.186
6	Marc Gasol	        C	30	MEM	70	2361	21.7	.561	9.1	.185
7	LaMarcus Aldridge	PF	29	POR	61	2180	22.8	.528	7.6	.168
8	Draymond Green	        SF	24	GSW	71	2258	16.5	.543	7.9	.168
9	Kevin Love	        PF	26	CLE	67	2296	18.9	.556	8.0	.167
10	Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP	56	816	20.1	.601	2.7	.162
11	Paul Millsap	        PF	29	ATL	67	2218	19.9	.568	7.5	.162
12	Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS	69	2036	16.7	.588	6.7	.157
13	Jeff Withey	        C	24	NOP	35	248	18.1	.570	0.8	.157
14	Bismack Biyombo	        C	22	CHO	51	887	15.0	.578	2.9	.154
15	Jerome Jordan	        C	28	BRK	41	366	16.8	.609	1.2	.151
16	John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL	18	190	15.9	.689	0.6	.150
17	DeMarre Carroll	        SF	28	ATL	60	1887	15.1	.594	5.8	.148
18	Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR	46	1302	16.1	.564	4.0	.148
19	Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR	60	2024	16.1	.585	6.2	.148
20	Greg Monroe	        PF	24	DET	64	1991	21.0	.548	6.1	.148
21	Tristan Thompson	PF	23	CLE	72	1970	15.6	.577	6.0	.147
22	Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	OKC	63	1504	14.2	.594	4.5	.145
23	Lavoy Allen	        PF	25	IND	51	945	16.0	.513	2.8	.144
24	Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS	41	316	13.7	.616	0.9	.144
25	Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS	67	1273	15.3	.565	3.7	.141
26	Khris Middleton	        PF	23	MIL	68	2024	15.8	.566	5.8	.139
27	Alexey Shved	        SG	26	TOT	42	767	19.5	.541	2.2	.135
28	Jonas Jerebko	        PF	27	TOT	63	1016	14.5	.559	2.8	.132
29	Goran Dragic	        SG-PG	28	TOT	67	2254	17.7	.580	6.2	.131
30	Enes Kanter	        C	22	TOT	64	1780	19.5	.555	4.8	.130
31	Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP	64	1666	16.0	.554	4.4	.126
32	Brandon Bass	        PF	29	BOS	70	1633	16.4	.549	4.3	.126
33	Amir Johnson	        PF	27	TOR	68	1810	15.2	.604	4.6	.121
34      Luis Scola	        PF	34	IND	69	1420	16.7	.513	3.6	.121
35	Greg Smith	        PF	24	DAL	40	355	10.6	.614	0.9	.117
36	Brandon Knight	        PG-SG	23	TOT	62	2013	17.5	.547	4.7	.112
37	Kosta Koufos	        C	25	MEM	70	1162	13.6	.525	2.7	.111
38	John Lucas	        PG	32	DET	12	140	14.9	.472	0.3	.110
39	Jae Crowder	        SF	24	TOT	71	1374	13.9	.513	3.1	.109
40	Joel Freeland	        C	27	POR	37	476	11.0	.495	1.0	.105
41	Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS	51	1165	12.8	.557	2.5	.102

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm not against the Knicks taking a look at D Leaguers. However, I think it's a bit much to think any team would want to try and put 3 new D League level players on the team this late in the season. They wouldn't know the system and what to do, on top of having to adjust to the level of play in the NBA. It would not create a good learning environment for them nor a good showcase for them. I think perhaps the Knicks feel they've got enough young developing players on the pro team to deal with at the moment.

Our problem isn't that we don't have enough D League level talent on the roster. Phil is talking about bringing in NBA starting quality players to form a new top 6 rotation with. That's where the real improvement will come from. They can always bring in some young prospects to develop and to fill out the bench next year. I would think all of the top D League guys would be brought up by other losing teams too at this point. If a player is still in the D League right now there could be good reason. Maybe they're being stashed like Thanasis or they just don't fit the needs of any of the other losing teams or they may just not be good enough.

Are you arguing that 11 days ago was more than enough time to bring up a D-League player, Ledo, but today it's too late?

You just read what I wrote so why are you asking what I was arguing? My post was in response to the suggestion of bringing in 3 new D Leaguers to the team. That's perhaps too many raw players to just mix in at this time. I don't see the benefit of doing that at this point. If they did, so what? I don't see it as a reason to bash what they're doing just cuz they haven't done that.

We're pretty close to the end of the year and a nearly complete rebuild of the top 6 rotation players. That's going to be the most important aspect of the teams attempts to improve. We've already got a lot of young prospects who aren't likely to be in that top 6 rotation spots, much less some D League guys we bring up right now.

As an example of what a top 6 rotation could look like.

1. Melo
2. Shved?
3. Green?
4. Draft Pick - OK4 or KAT
5. Monroe?
6. Thanasis?
7. THJ/Early?

This isn't to say this is the exact roster, so let's not go crazy. It's just to suggest that most like any D Leaguer we added would likely fall lower on the rotation for next year. So why should we get nuts over the fact that they haven't brought in more back of rotation players?

Who's Green? Draymond Green? Because we can't afford to sign both Green and Monroe and I doubt GSW doesn't match. And what if we can't sign any of the big free agents? What if the big names sign early to other teams and we're left Melo, Draft Pick X, Early, THJr, Calderon, Galloway, and Wear? That would be a terrible team still. Then we'd really be regretting not bringing in guys who might be legit NBA players. Besides, it never hurts to bring in more talent.

The Green I was referring to was Danny Green from the Spurs. As for the top names, Phil isn't saying he's depending on signing the big names. He has a LOT of good 2nd and 3rd tier FA's he can target. That's why I made the thread about the FA's who are at the top of the WS/48 list just to show that there are a lot of really good young Vets out there who don't have the big name but can provide a very good value and make a positive impact on the team's ability to win games. You know I do actually contribute more than just pollyanna stuff on this forum as some like to suggest. Don't believe the hype about my posting here. I'm not an idiot.

Rk	Player	                Pos	Age	Tm	G	MP	PER	TS%	WS	WS/48 ▾
1	Brandan Wright	        PF	27	TOT	66	1214	21.6	.681	5.7	.227	
2	DeAndre Jordan	        C	26	LAC	71	2455	20.5	.641	10.6	.207
3	Jimmy Butler	        SG	25	CHI	56	2180	21.0	.577	9.3	.204
4	Jeremy Evans	        SF	27	UTA	28	144	18.1	.586	0.6	.190
5	Kawhi Leonard	        SF	23	SAS	52	1669	21.1	.551	6.5	.186
6	Marc Gasol	        C	30	MEM	70	2361	21.7	.561	9.1	.185
7	LaMarcus Aldridge	PF	29	POR	61	2180	22.8	.528	7.6	.168
8	Draymond Green	        SF	24	GSW	71	2258	16.5	.543	7.9	.168
9	Kevin Love	        PF	26	CLE	67	2296	18.9	.556	8.0	.167
10	Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP	56	816	20.1	.601	2.7	.162
11	Paul Millsap	        PF	29	ATL	67	2218	19.9	.568	7.5	.162
12	Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS	69	2036	16.7	.588	6.7	.157
13	Jeff Withey	        C	24	NOP	35	248	18.1	.570	0.8	.157
14	Bismack Biyombo	        C	22	CHO	51	887	15.0	.578	2.9	.154
15	Jerome Jordan	        C	28	BRK	41	366	16.8	.609	1.2	.151
16	John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL	18	190	15.9	.689	0.6	.150
17	DeMarre Carroll	        SF	28	ATL	60	1887	15.1	.594	5.8	.148
18	Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR	46	1302	16.1	.564	4.0	.148
19	Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR	60	2024	16.1	.585	6.2	.148
20	Greg Monroe	        PF	24	DET	64	1991	21.0	.548	6.1	.148
21	Tristan Thompson	PF	23	CLE	72	1970	15.6	.577	6.0	.147
22	Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	OKC	63	1504	14.2	.594	4.5	.145
23	Lavoy Allen	        PF	25	IND	51	945	16.0	.513	2.8	.144
24	Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS	41	316	13.7	.616	0.9	.144
25	Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS	67	1273	15.3	.565	3.7	.141
26	Khris Middleton	        PF	23	MIL	68	2024	15.8	.566	5.8	.139
27	Alexey Shved	        SG	26	TOT	42	767	19.5	.541	2.2	.135
28	Jonas Jerebko	        PF	27	TOT	63	1016	14.5	.559	2.8	.132
29	Goran Dragic	        SG-PG	28	TOT	67	2254	17.7	.580	6.2	.131
30	Enes Kanter	        C	22	TOT	64	1780	19.5	.555	4.8	.130
31	Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP	64	1666	16.0	.554	4.4	.126
32	Brandon Bass	        PF	29	BOS	70	1633	16.4	.549	4.3	.126
33	Amir Johnson	        PF	27	TOR	68	1810	15.2	.604	4.6	.121
34      Luis Scola	        PF	34	IND	69	1420	16.7	.513	3.6	.121
35	Greg Smith	        PF	24	DAL	40	355	10.6	.614	0.9	.117
36	Brandon Knight	        PG-SG	23	TOT	62	2013	17.5	.547	4.7	.112
37	Kosta Koufos	        C	25	MEM	70	1162	13.6	.525	2.7	.111
38	John Lucas	        PG	32	DET	12	140	14.9	.472	0.3	.110
39	Jae Crowder	        SF	24	TOT	71	1374	13.9	.513	3.1	.109
40	Joel Freeland	        C	27	POR	37	476	11.0	.495	1.0	.105
41	Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS	51	1165	12.8	.557	2.5	.102

That list looks a lot different when you take out the guys we have 0 chance at because they're either restricted and their teams will match any offer or they're in much better situations and we can't offer more then what their current teams can offer. And, I'm being generous by leaving in some guys who we have almost 0 chance at.

He might have some 2nd and 3rd tier free agents but we're the worst team in the league. It'll take more than Alexis Ajinca and Danny Green to even get us to playoff caliber.

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:

VCoug wrote:

nixluva wrote:I'm not against the Knicks taking a look at D Leaguers. However, I think it's a bit much to think any team would want to try and put 3 new D League level players on the team this late in the season. They wouldn't know the system and what to do, on top of having to adjust to the level of play in the NBA. It would not create a good learning environment for them nor a good showcase for them. I think perhaps the Knicks feel they've got enough young developing players on the pro team to deal with at the moment.

Our problem isn't that we don't have enough D League level talent on the roster. Phil is talking about bringing in NBA starting quality players to form a new top 6 rotation with. That's where the real improvement will come from. They can always bring in some young prospects to develop and to fill out the bench next year. I would think all of the top D League guys would be brought up by other losing teams too at this point. If a player is still in the D League right now there could be good reason. Maybe they're being stashed like Thanasis or they just don't fit the needs of any of the other losing teams or they may just not be good enough.

Are you arguing that 11 days ago was more than enough time to bring up a D-League player, Ledo, but today it's too late?

You just read what I wrote so why are you asking what I was arguing? My post was in response to the suggestion of bringing in 3 new D Leaguers to the team. That's perhaps too many raw players to just mix in at this time. I don't see the benefit of doing that at this point. If they did, so what? I don't see it as a reason to bash what they're doing just cuz they haven't done that.

We're pretty close to the end of the year and a nearly complete rebuild of the top 6 rotation players. That's going to be the most important aspect of the teams attempts to improve. We've already got a lot of young prospects who aren't likely to be in that top 6 rotation spots, much less some D League guys we bring up right now.

As an example of what a top 6 rotation could look like.

1. Melo
2. Shved?
3. Green?
4. Draft Pick - OK4 or KAT
5. Monroe?
6. Thanasis?
7. THJ/Early?

This isn't to say this is the exact roster, so let's not go crazy. It's just to suggest that most like any D Leaguer we added would likely fall lower on the rotation for next year. So why should we get nuts over the fact that they haven't brought in more back of rotation players?

Who's Green? Draymond Green? Because we can't afford to sign both Green and Monroe and I doubt GSW doesn't match. And what if we can't sign any of the big free agents? What if the big names sign early to other teams and we're left Melo, Draft Pick X, Early, THJr, Calderon, Galloway, and Wear? That would be a terrible team still. Then we'd really be regretting not bringing in guys who might be legit NBA players. Besides, it never hurts to bring in more talent.

The Green I was referring to was Danny Green from the Spurs. As for the top names, Phil isn't saying he's depending on signing the big names. He has a LOT of good 2nd and 3rd tier FA's he can target. That's why I made the thread about the FA's who are at the top of the WS/48 list just to show that there are a lot of really good young Vets out there who don't have the big name but can provide a very good value and make a positive impact on the team's ability to win games. You know I do actually contribute more than just pollyanna stuff on this forum as some like to suggest. Don't believe the hype about my posting here. I'm not an idiot.

Rk	Player	                Pos	Age	Tm	G	MP	PER	TS%	WS	WS/48 ▾
1	Brandan Wright	        PF	27	TOT	66	1214	21.6	.681	5.7	.227	
2	DeAndre Jordan	        C	26	LAC	71	2455	20.5	.641	10.6	.207
3	Jimmy Butler	        SG	25	CHI	56	2180	21.0	.577	9.3	.204
4	Jeremy Evans	        SF	27	UTA	28	144	18.1	.586	0.6	.190
5	Kawhi Leonard	        SF	23	SAS	52	1669	21.1	.551	6.5	.186
6	Marc Gasol	        C	30	MEM	70	2361	21.7	.561	9.1	.185
7	LaMarcus Aldridge	PF	29	POR	61	2180	22.8	.528	7.6	.168
8	Draymond Green	        SF	24	GSW	71	2258	16.5	.543	7.9	.168
9	Kevin Love	        PF	26	CLE	67	2296	18.9	.556	8.0	.167
10	Alexis Ajinca	        C	26	NOP	56	816	20.1	.601	2.7	.162
11	Paul Millsap	        PF	29	ATL	67	2218	19.9	.568	7.5	.162
12	Danny Green	        SG	27	SAS	69	2036	16.7	.588	6.7	.157
13	Jeff Withey	        C	24	NOP	35	248	18.1	.570	0.8	.157
14	Bismack Biyombo	        C	22	CHO	51	887	15.0	.578	2.9	.154
15	Jerome Jordan	        C	28	BRK	41	366	16.8	.609	1.2	.151
16	John Jenkins	        SG	23	ATL	18	190	15.9	.689	0.6	.150
17	DeMarre Carroll	        SF	28	ATL	60	1887	15.1	.594	5.8	.148
18	Robin Lopez	        C	26	POR	46	1302	16.1	.564	4.0	.148
19	Wesley Matthews	        SG	28	POR	60	2024	16.1	.585	6.2	.148
20	Greg Monroe	        PF	24	DET	64	1991	21.0	.548	6.1	.148
21	Tristan Thompson	PF	23	CLE	72	1970	15.6	.577	6.0	.147
22	Anthony Morrow	        SG	29	OKC	63	1504	14.2	.594	4.5	.145
23	Lavoy Allen	        PF	25	IND	51	945	16.0	.513	2.8	.144
24	Jeff Ayres	        PF	27	SAS	41	316	13.7	.616	0.9	.144
25	Cory Joseph	        PG	23	SAS	67	1273	15.3	.565	3.7	.141
26	Khris Middleton	        PF	23	MIL	68	2024	15.8	.566	5.8	.139
27	Alexey Shved	        SG	26	TOT	42	767	19.5	.541	2.2	.135
28	Jonas Jerebko	        PF	27	TOT	63	1016	14.5	.559	2.8	.132
29	Goran Dragic	        SG-PG	28	TOT	67	2254	17.7	.580	6.2	.131
30	Enes Kanter	        C	22	TOT	64	1780	19.5	.555	4.8	.130
31	Omer Asik	        C	28	NOP	64	1666	16.0	.554	4.4	.126
32	Brandon Bass	        PF	29	BOS	70	1633	16.4	.549	4.3	.126
33	Amir Johnson	        PF	27	TOR	68	1810	15.2	.604	4.6	.121
34      Luis Scola	        PF	34	IND	69	1420	16.7	.513	3.6	.121
35	Greg Smith	        PF	24	DAL	40	355	10.6	.614	0.9	.117
36	Brandon Knight	        PG-SG	23	TOT	62	2013	17.5	.547	4.7	.112
37	Kosta Koufos	        C	25	MEM	70	1162	13.6	.525	2.7	.111
38	John Lucas	        PG	32	DET	12	140	14.9	.472	0.3	.110
39	Jae Crowder	        SF	24	TOT	71	1374	13.9	.513	3.1	.109
40	Joel Freeland	        C	27	POR	37	476	11.0	.495	1.0	.105
41	Marco Belinelli	        SG	28	SAS	51	1165	12.8	.557	2.5	.102

That list looks a lot different when you take out the guys we have 0 chance at because they're either restricted and their teams will match any offer or they're in much better situations and we can't offer more then what their current teams can offer. And, I'm being generous by leaving in some guys who we have almost 0 chance at.

He might have some 2nd and 3rd tier free agents but we're the worst team in the league. It'll take more than Alexis Ajinca and Danny Green to even get us to playoff caliber.

You may be right but you could also be wrong about who we may get. It's a lot of players you crossed off and there's a chance that some of them will move this summer.

I think perhaps you are looking at this in a vacuum and not assessing how the team will look with a much better top 6 rotation than we currently have. It would not be impossible to put together a very competitive rotation much like the Hawks did when they added 4 of their top six in just 2 years. Korver and then Millsap, Carroll and Schroder in the following year. Along with Teague and Horford they form the top 6 in their rotation. It's not impossible for the Knicks to put together a similarly competitive group. Heck we might even steal one of them from the Hawks.