VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil hasn't done sht except collect 18 million dollars and put together the worst roster in franchise history. Even the suppose pipeline of young talent in our D league turns out to be more veterans than youth, and they are just as bad if not worse. Care to know their record (10-39)their currently on a 6 game losing streak, and losers of 14 of the last 15,second worse in the entire d league.

Save the "PHil has a dream Speeches" for Dolan, you can pee on his head and tell him it's raining.

The only thing left to do is running around the country all summer with dolans check book. If he got more than 20 hrs of sleep the entire summer, it would be the a crime of the decade.

The only way for the nyk to get out of this 15 year rut WS to bottom out. Look at the position we are in. If the ping pong balls do us justice we could be in for another 12-15 years of good fortune. What did u want 36 wins and to resign iman shumpert? We needed out

1248 isn't wrong though. Phil still hasn't done anything except be historically bad in a year where we thankfully do have our draft pick.

Yeah, it's not like Phil got us the cap space this summer, it already existed and Phil actually decreased the amount of cap space we'll have by trading for Calderon. Literally anyone could have done this; a better President/GM would have made sure we got assets when trading Tyson and Shumpert so that our cupboard wasn't completely bare.

Shump was included to get rid of JR. Moving Smith needed to happen. I doubt Shumpert could have been turned into a first round pick.

BRIGGS wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil hasn't done sht except collect 18 million dollars and put together the worst roster in franchise history. Even the suppose pipeline of young talent in our D league turns out to be more veterans than youth, and they are just as bad if not worse. Care to know their record (10-39)their currently on a 6 game losing streak, and losers of 14 of the last 15,second worse in the entire d league.

Save the "PHil has a dream Speeches" for Dolan, you can pee on his head and tell him it's raining.

The only thing left to do is running around the country all summer with dolans check book. If he got more than 20 hrs of sleep the entire summer, it would be the a crime of the decade.

The only way for the nyk to get out of this 15 year rut WS to bottom out. Look at the position we are in. If the ping pong balls do us justice we could be in for another 12-15 years of good fortune. What did u want 36 wins and to resign iman shumpert? We needed out

1248 isn't wrong though. Phil still hasn't done anything except be historically bad in a year where we thankfully do have our draft pick.

Yeah, it's not like Phil got us the cap space this summer, it already existed and Phil actually decreased the amount of cap space we'll have by trading for Calderon. Literally anyone could have done this; a better President/GM would have made sure we got assets when trading Tyson and Shumpert so that our cupboard wasn't completely bare.

Agree on Calderon but he also gutted us got rid of Jr smiths 7 mm next year and really made us go back to square 1. Calderon's money can be stretched which minimizes the mistake

If I have to read one more time that we didn't get any assets for Tyson i'm gonna lose it. We did get some value in those deals. We just didn't get a higher pick. Still Early, Thanasis wasn't terrible and we ended up with Acy based on that deal as well. No pick, no matter how high, is guaranteed to be successful and so you can't base it all on where we picked. The jury is very much still out on what Early and Thanasis will become. Felton's trade led to Shved. Using the Trade Exception we got for Felton.

Too much fixation on Calderon. That's not gonna stop us from doing what we need to do. At the time he was just taking a chance that he could add a solid vet. It's a relatively minimal risk given the rules on stretching players. We're only talking about one player. I think it was a reasonable risk. Nothing like the mistakes past GM's have done which screwed us forever.

knicks1248 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil hasn't done sht except collect 18 million dollars and put together the worst roster in franchise history. Even the suppose pipeline of young talent in our D league turns out to be more veterans than youth, and they are just as bad if not worse. Care to know their record (10-39)their currently on a 6 game losing streak, and losers of 14 of the last 15,second worse in the entire d league.

Save the "PHil has a dream Speeches" for Dolan, you can pee on his head and tell him it's raining.

The only thing left to do is running around the country all summer with dolans check book. If he got more than 20 hrs of sleep the entire summer, it would be the a crime of the decade.

The only way for the nyk to get out of this 15 year rut WS to bottom out. Look at the position we are in. If the ping pong balls do us justice we could be in for another 12-15 years of good fortune. What did u want 36 wins and to resign iman shumpert? We needed out

1248 isn't wrong though. Phil still hasn't done anything except be historically bad in a year where we thankfully do have our draft pick.

Yeah, it's not like Phil got us the cap space this summer, it already existed and Phil actually decreased the amount of cap space we'll have by trading for Calderon. Literally anyone could have done this; a better President/GM would have made sure we got assets when trading Tyson and Shumpert so that our cupboard wasn't completely bare.

Agree on Calderon but he also gutted us got rid of Jr smiths 7 mm next year and really made us go back to square 1. Calderon's money can be stretched which minimizes the mistake

Jr 6.5 million contract became a problem when we decided to use a system that took away from his strengths,and not putting solid vets around him and melo.. his 6'5 million contract looks like a bargain for cleveland.

Briggs if the best thing you can say phil did was save us from JR's (6th man of the yr) contract and putting him in a position to win a title light yrs ahead of the knicks, then you truly are grasping for staws, hey, and pillows.

36 wins would have has sitting in the playoffs looking like an attractive destination, not sitting a the bottom of the standing and beginning every sentence with "IF the draft pans out, or IF we we get a 1st rnd pick"

One things for absolute certain, GOOD VETERANS DONT WANT TO REBUILD, GOOD VETRANS is what you need to win.

newyorker4ever wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:We are going to really miss pick 31 I mean like terribly but the bottom line for the rest is position 1 in ping pong balls and as my h as 30-32 mm in cap space.

We don't have our own 2nd round pick until 2020! If we stay bad, these are all almost lost late 1st rounders.

Who cares about 2nd round picks?? We can easily buy a 2nd round pick if we want to.

Terrible mindset are you Dolans long lost son? What has trading 2 and rounders done for the Knicks?

VCoug wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Phil hasn't done sht except collect 18 million dollars and put together the worst roster in franchise history. Even the suppose pipeline of young talent in our D league turns out to be more veterans than youth, and they are just as bad if not worse. Care to know their record (10-39)their currently on a 6 game losing streak, and losers of 14 of the last 15,second worse in the entire d league.

Save the "PHil has a dream Speeches" for Dolan, you can pee on his head and tell him it's raining.

The only thing left to do is running around the country all summer with dolans check book. If he got more than 20 hrs of sleep the entire summer, it would be the a crime of the decade.

The only way for the nyk to get out of this 15 year rut WS to bottom out. Look at the position we are in. If the ping pong balls do us justice we could be in for another 12-15 years of good fortune. What did u want 36 wins and to resign iman shumpert? We needed out

1248 isn't wrong though. Phil still hasn't done anything except be historically bad in a year where we thankfully do have our draft pick.

Yeah, it's not like Phil got us the cap space this summer, it already existed and Phil actually decreased the amount of cap space we'll have by trading for Calderon. Literally anyone could have done this; a better President/GM would have made sure we got assets when trading Tyson and Shumpert so that our cupboard wasn't completely bare.

Shump was included to get rid of JR. Moving Smith needed to happen. I doubt Shumpert could have been turned into a first round pick.

Last season OKC had an offer on the table for a 1st round pick for Shumpert. The problem is we didn't bite and allowed Shumpert's trade value to be destroyed.

I say so what to the whole thing. We've been thru far worse. The ship is headed in the right direction now. As long as Phil has a clear vision of how he wants to build the team he's got some means to make that happen. Not gonna cry over spilt milk now. He has the team in position to make a massive shift of culture and type of player. It's already begun but of course now you can't fully see it, but that's by design. We have to lose and bottom out.

He dumped ever asset we had for nothing, there are 8 other franchises in the league with roughly the same amount of cap space and have multiple draft picks to juggle. Two of those teams (phili and boston) are right in our division, both currently have much better talent, and much better head coaches.

Please stop acting like he took the best route possible, he took the (Man I fck'd up no other choice now) route.

How did grunwald with RELATIVELY THE SAME cap space Phil had, and build a team that went from a.545 winning pct to a .659 winning pct.

Please don't get me to believe phil had nothing to work with last summer.

Please don't admit to Fisher being the best coach to hire last summer, and don't forget the triangle crooonies tacked on.

Phil has shown he has no eye for talent when you scour the d league, and overseas and come out with Gallow and wear..

Please don't tell me that the only FA THAT YOU COULD HAVE CONVINCE TO COME HERE LAST SUMMER ON THE CHEAP WAS JASON SMITH, Couldn't even get Pau to shoot you a "no thank you" TexT, a player who has had a lot of success under you.

With so many bad moves you can clearly relate to the people that aren't as optimistic as some of you are. You may not 100% agree, but some part of you has to think, this guy really has done anything for me to really look forward to. Moves like this don't produce optimistic feelings.

What your hoping for this summer is a HAIL MARY, just because you have a guy with a strong arm(aka MSG and a few dollars) but everyone knows that 9 out of 10 hail mary's get batted to the ground or intercepted.

knicks1248 wrote:Some of you guys are so naive it's embarrassing, Phil Inherited a core of players that had a record of (127-103) over the last 3 seasons and made the playoffs 2 out the last 3 yrs. You don't just act like thats not a winning % you tweak that you don't throw a wrecking ball to it. You had assets on your team that just a few months prior (tyson and shump)to you taking over, were good enough to get you a pick in the 1st round.

He dumped ever asset we had for nothing, there are 8 other franchises in the league with roughly the same amount of cap space and have multiple draft picks to juggle. Two of those teams (phili and boston) are right in our division, both currently have much better talent, and much better head coaches.

Please stop acting like he took the best route possible, he took the (Man I fck'd up no other choice now) route.

How did grunwald with RELATIVELY THE SAME cap space Phil had, and build a team that went from a.545 winning pct to a .659 winning pct.

Please don't get me to believe phil had nothing to work with last summer.

Please don't admit to Fisher being the best coach to hire last summer, and don't forget the triangle crooonies tacked on.

Phil has shown he has no eye for talent when you scour the d league, and overseas and come out with Gallow and wear..

Please don't tell me that the only FA THAT YOU COULD HAVE CONVINCE TO COME HERE LAST SUMMER ON THE CHEAP WAS JASON SMITH, Couldn't even get Pau to shoot you a "no thank you" TexT, a player who has had a lot of success under you.

With so many bad moves you can clearly relate to the people that aren't has optimistic as some of you are. You may not 100% agree, but some part of you has to think, this guy really has done anything for me to really look forward to. Moves like this to garner optimistic feelings.

What your hoping for this summer is a HAIL MARY, just because you have a guy with a strong arm(aka MSG and a few dollars) but everyone knows, that 9 out of 10 hail mary's get batted to the ground or intercepted.

If you had a tried and true system, would you change your system to fit the players or change the players to fit your system?

We start with 1 max contract, 1 7m contract, a couple rookie scale contracts, a top 3 pick and 30-35mm in FA space. You want to say it is no fun to watch this year? Of course its no fun to watch. Go cry in your Cheerios. But starting fresh is not a hail mary. A hail mary is praying that Lebron or Kobe (in his prime) is willing to sign here for the MLE cause we have mismanaged our way to zero cap space. A hail mary is praying that Westbrook falls to us in the draft, or Curry gets past GS. Neither happened. It is not a hail mary to tank and guaranty a top 3 pick. Will we get the BEST free agent? Prob not. But can Phil build a core for the next 4+ years -- 100%. And then you build a franchise...where is the hail mary in that?

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Some of you guys are so naive it's embarrassing, Phil Inherited a core of players that had a record of (127-103) over the last 3 seasons and made the playoffs 2 out the last 3 yrs. You don't just act like thats not a winning % you tweak that you don't throw a wrecking ball to it. You had assets on your team that just a few months prior (tyson and shump)to you taking over, were good enough to get you a pick in the 1st round.

He dumped ever asset we had for nothing, there are 8 other franchises in the league with roughly the same amount of cap space and have multiple draft picks to juggle. Two of those teams (phili and boston) are right in our division, both currently have much better talent, and much better head coaches.

Please stop acting like he took the best route possible, he took the (Man I fck'd up no other choice now) route.

How did grunwald with RELATIVELY THE SAME cap space Phil had, and build a team that went from a.545 winning pct to a .659 winning pct.

Please don't get me to believe phil had nothing to work with last summer.

Please don't admit to Fisher being the best coach to hire last summer, and don't forget the triangle crooonies tacked on.

Phil has shown he has no eye for talent when you scour the d league, and overseas and come out with Gallow and wear..

Please don't tell me that the only FA THAT YOU COULD HAVE CONVINCE TO COME HERE LAST SUMMER ON THE CHEAP WAS JASON SMITH, Couldn't even get Pau to shoot you a "no thank you" TexT, a player who has had a lot of success under you.

With so many bad moves you can clearly relate to the people that aren't has optimistic as some of you are. You may not 100% agree, but some part of you has to think, this guy really has done anything for me to really look forward to. Moves like this to garner optimistic feelings.

What your hoping for this summer is a HAIL MARY, just because you have a guy with a strong arm(aka MSG and a few dollars) but everyone knows, that 9 out of 10 hail mary's get batted to the ground or intercepted.

If you had a tried and true system, would you change your system to fit the players or change the players to fit your system?

We start with 1 max contract, 1 7m contract, a couple rookie scale contracts, a top 3 pick and 30-35mm in FA space. You want to say it is no fun to watch this year? Of course its no fun to watch. Go cry in your Cheerios. But starting fresh is not a hail mary. A hail mary is praying that Lebron or Kobe (in his prime) is willing to sign here for the MLE cause we have mismanaged our way to zero cap space. A hail mary is praying that Westbrook falls to us in the draft, or Curry gets past GS. Neither happened. It is not a hail mary to tank and guaranty a top 3 pick. Will we get the BEST free agent? Prob not. But can Phil build a core for the next 4+ years -- 100%. And then you build a franchise...where is the hail mary in that?

The draft is a basically a hail mary and you know it, you can draft milic or melo, and when the person responsible for making that pick has no track record for ever picking a star player, why should I believe, it's more like I HOPE..

It's not just Phil but also basketball men who HAVE PICKED STAR PLAYERS. It's not like Phil is clueless and has no idea what a great player looks like. You think you could be in the NBA for as long as he has in winning situations with hall of fame players and have no clue what a great player looks like? Think he might have some idea after countless hours coaching some of the best players in NBA history?

PHILADELPHIA — Credit Phil Jackson’s top adviser, Clarence Gaines Jr., for playing a part in “Langsanity.’’
According to a source, Gaines, the only front-office personnel man Jackson has hired to date, was the top supporter for bringing new combo guard Langston Galloway into the fold after he went undrafted in June out of little St. Joseph’s in Philadelphia.

Who knew Galloway could turn into a more promising Knicks rookie than Cleanthony Early, drafted at No. 34. Galloway, a live wire on both ends of the court in five games, is averaging 12 points in 25 minutes.

The source said Gaines first saw Galloway at the Portsmouth, Va. pre-draft camp last spring. Gaines, the Bulls’ college scout when Jackson coached Chicago, has a knack for discovering guys who fit into Jackson’s team-player mold and has the president’s ear, according to the source.

knicks1248 wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Some of you guys are so naive it's embarrassing, Phil Inherited a core of players that had a record of (127-103) over the last 3 seasons and made the playoffs 2 out the last 3 yrs. You don't just act like thats not a winning % you tweak that you don't throw a wrecking ball to it. You had assets on your team that just a few months prior (tyson and shump)to you taking over, were good enough to get you a pick in the 1st round.

He dumped ever asset we had for nothing, there are 8 other franchises in the league with roughly the same amount of cap space and have multiple draft picks to juggle. Two of those teams (phili and boston) are right in our division, both currently have much better talent, and much better head coaches.

Please stop acting like he took the best route possible, he took the (Man I fck'd up no other choice now) route.

How did grunwald with RELATIVELY THE SAME cap space Phil had, and build a team that went from a.545 winning pct to a .659 winning pct.

Please don't get me to believe phil had nothing to work with last summer.

Please don't admit to Fisher being the best coach to hire last summer, and don't forget the triangle crooonies tacked on.

Phil has shown he has no eye for talent when you scour the d league, and overseas and come out with Gallow and wear..

Please don't tell me that the only FA THAT YOU COULD HAVE CONVINCE TO COME HERE LAST SUMMER ON THE CHEAP WAS JASON SMITH, Couldn't even get Pau to shoot you a "no thank you" TexT, a player who has had a lot of success under you.

With so many bad moves you can clearly relate to the people that aren't has optimistic as some of you are. You may not 100% agree, but some part of you has to think, this guy really has done anything for me to really look forward to. Moves like this to garner optimistic feelings.

What your hoping for this summer is a HAIL MARY, just because you have a guy with a strong arm(aka MSG and a few dollars) but everyone knows, that 9 out of 10 hail mary's get batted to the ground or intercepted.

If you had a tried and true system, would you change your system to fit the players or change the players to fit your system?

We start with 1 max contract, 1 7m contract, a couple rookie scale contracts, a top 3 pick and 30-35mm in FA space. You want to say it is no fun to watch this year? Of course its no fun to watch. Go cry in your Cheerios. But starting fresh is not a hail mary. A hail mary is praying that Lebron or Kobe (in his prime) is willing to sign here for the MLE cause we have mismanaged our way to zero cap space. A hail mary is praying that Westbrook falls to us in the draft, or Curry gets past GS. Neither happened. It is not a hail mary to tank and guaranty a top 3 pick. Will we get the BEST free agent? Prob not. But can Phil build a core for the next 4+ years -- 100%. And then you build a franchise...where is the hail mary in that?

The draft is a basically a hail mary and you know it, you can draft milic or melo, and when the person responsible for making that pick has no track record for ever picking a star player, why should I believe, it's more like I HOPE..

It's not just Phil but also basketball men who HAVE PICKED STAR PLAYERS. It's not like Phil is clueless and has no idea what a great player looks like. You think you could be in the NBA for as long as he has in winning situations with hall of fame players and have no clue what a great player looks like? Think he might have some idea after countless hours coaching some of the best players in NBA history?

PHILADELPHIA — Credit Phil Jackson’s top adviser, Clarence Gaines Jr., for playing a part in “Langsanity.’’
According to a source, Gaines, the only front-office personnel man Jackson has hired to date, was the top supporter for bringing new combo guard Langston Galloway into the fold after he went undrafted in June out of little St. Joseph’s in Philadelphia.

Who knew Galloway could turn into a more promising Knicks rookie than Cleanthony Early, drafted at No. 34. Galloway, a live wire on both ends of the court in five games, is averaging 12 points in 25 minutes.

The source said Gaines first saw Galloway at the Portsmouth, Va. pre-draft camp last spring. Gaines, the Bulls’ college scout when Jackson coached Chicago, has a knack for discovering guys who fit into Jackson’s team-player mold and has the president’s ear, according to the source.

Galloway is shooting 39% fg, 33% from downtown(and you said he starting to feel comfy), and were getting complete destroyed every night, if thats phils IDEA of finding talent, god help us.

Who needs to watch a comedy show when you have UK? I do find it funny when a borderline player's status is overstated and used as proof that Phil is doing his job. It's a laugh riot I tell ya.