I'd put some UCLA with Alcinder against them. UNLV with Larry Johnson, L8ner, Grant and Hurley Duke teams, Worthy, Jordan's UNC teams......

Don't get me wrong, this kentucky team is big and very good in todays NCAA.

fishmike wrote:

helloharv wrote:Towns was MIA

1 point and 2 rebounds ?

He may may be a good pro but you have to take the sure thing at number in OK4

and four fouls in like 13 minutes. He's going to be asked to be a totally differnt player in the pros. Nothing he does in KY is translating to the NBA game. At this point he's just a BB player and you have to decide if the skills will translate. Someone will roll the dice on Towns (maybe us) and thats a given, he's still a great prospect, but if he busts or takes 5-6 years to develop... well what did you expect when you take a kid putting up 10/7, 4th best scorer and 2nd rebounder on his own team? That needs to sink in...

My fear is less that he's an outright bust. Rather he's another Whiteside. A guy who just takes 5 years or so to develop, which is not really acceptable for a top5 pick IMO unless its a really lousy draft

I don't want to damn him but what if he is a different flavor of Eddy Curry? He gets paid and doesn't have the natural desire to want to improve...

GustavBahler wrote:IDK, Im starting to like Kaminsky over both of them.

Wow...

...and no instant rebuttals and insults from folks.

Have not seen enough movement on the defensive end from him when I've watched him, but he can do a lot of things on the floor and should be valuable on the right team. Also comes from a good program, where his team actually plays like a team (Same can be said for KU and Duke), and this is always important

Will be 22 in a short time, and he's played 4 years in college. This has to be a consideration in terms of upside, since the players you refer to are both 19. Kaminsky's become better each year, on the other hand, so he's shown an ability to improve his game- an important "skill," in its own way. Makes me think he still has room to up his game and we already know he has shown the capability to do so.

Don't think Jackson would take him at #1/2, although I expect that he admires what he can do on the court.

GustavBahler wrote:IDK, Im starting to like Kaminsky over both of them.

I definitely like Kaminsky over Towns. Can't say the same yet for Okafor. But when it comes to fits, I think that Kaminsky is the better option. My dream would be to get the no.1 pick, then trade down to get both D'Angelo Russell and Frank Kaminsky.

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We'll see how Towns responds when kentucky needs him. They won by 40pts last night.

You'd make a no.1 pick out of a guy that has little baring on his team's success? Last time something like that happened, the Hawks ended up picking Marvin Williams at no.2. That didn't exactly work out well for them with CP3 and D-Will still on the board.

I mentioned him but of course Towns is different. It seems his fans like to ignore the redflags

Come to think of it, I might have co-opted your opinion because I felt like I read of the comparison somewhere. My bad on that one but I thought it was pretty astute. But I suppose that teams will have the opportunity to dissect his game at the combine, where I expect to see him get exposed. He's no doubt skilled....but everyone is skilled in the NBA. They just get pigeon-holed into limited roles that hinder their ability to demonstrate the depth of their skills. JaVale McGee, after all, could and would hit 3's in college. When's the last time we've seen him take that shot in the pros?

Getting back to Towns, the redflags are very much alarming to me. Even if he does check out in workouts, I'd still be hesitant to draft him. New York is a ****ing beast and I don't know how well a 19 year old well fair with all the distractions and millions to blow! Towns may very well be the best player in the draft from a potential standpoint but potential is seldom fulfilled. It's why I'd love to trade down (if we select Towns) to get guys who have a more tangible skillset and who have demonstrated that they can handle the spotlight/pressure of being "The Guy".

And even if he does pan out, you got to worry about his physique. He's predisposed to carrying a bunch of weight on tooth-pick legs, which always seems to lead to chronic injuries. Take a look at the Brook Lopez's, Nikola Pekovic's, Greg Oden's and Andrew Bynum's of the world. There are just too many things that concern me with him. And if history bares itself out, we'll all watch as a PG or swingman selected after a big, becomes the best player in the draft (e.g. Sam Bowie/Michael Jordan, Greg Oden/Kevin Durant, Andrew Bogut/CP3, Andrea Bargnani/Brandon Roy, Darko Milicic/Dwayne Wade, Michael Olowokandi/Vince Carter). So let's not make the mistake of taking the heralded bigs and go small!

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We'll see how Towns responds when kentucky needs him. They won by 40pts last night.

You'd make a no.1 pick out of a guy that has little baring on his team's success? Last time something like that happened, the Hawks ended up picking Marvin Williams at no.2. That didn't exactly work out well for them with CP3 and D-Will still on the board.

I mentioned him but of course Towns is different. It seems his fans like to ignore the redflags

Come to think of it, I might have co-opted your opinion because I felt like I read of the comparison somewhere. My bad on that one but I thought it was pretty astute. But I suppose that teams will have the opportunity to dissect his game at the combine, where I expect to see him get exposed. He's no doubt skilled....but everyone is skilled in the NBA. They just get pigeon-holed into limited roles that hinder their ability to demonstrate the depth of their skills. JaVale McGee, after all, could and would hit 3's in college. When's the last time we've seen him take that shot in the pros?

Getting back to Towns, the redflags are very much alarming to me. Even if he does check out in workouts, I'd still be hesitant to draft him. New York is a ****ing beast and I don't know how well a 19 year old well fair with all the distractions and millions to blow! Towns may very well be the best player in the draft from a potential standpoint but potential is seldom fulfilled. It's why I'd love to trade down (if we select Towns) to get guys who have a more tangible skillset and who have demonstrated that they can handle the spotlight/pressure of being "The Guy".

for me it now looks like this:
1) OK4
2/2A) Russel/Hezonja
4) Towns
5) Mudiay

to me its more than just who can be best. Im looking at risk/reward and need as well. We need a player who can play. We have a very empty roster and while Towns may be a wonderful player he's got a looooooooooot of growing to do, and nothing he's doing at KY is translating to the NBA. The 3 I have listed before him are most likely coming in and playing 30mpg and that factors into my picking

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We'll see how Towns responds when kentucky needs him. They won by 40pts last night.

You'd make a no.1 pick out of a guy that has little baring on his team's success? Last time something like that happened, the Hawks ended up picking Marvin Williams at no.2. That didn't exactly work out well for them with CP3 and D-Will still on the board.

I mentioned him but of course Towns is different. It seems his fans like to ignore the redflags

Come to think of it, I might have co-opted your opinion because I felt like I read of the comparison somewhere. My bad on that one but I thought it was pretty astute. But I suppose that teams will have the opportunity to dissect his game at the combine, where I expect to see him get exposed. He's no doubt skilled....but everyone is skilled in the NBA. They just get pigeon-holed into limited roles that hinder their ability to demonstrate the depth of their skills. JaVale McGee, after all, could and would hit 3's in college. When's the last time we've seen him take that shot in the pros?

Getting back to Towns, the redflags are very much alarming to me. Even if he does check out in workouts, I'd still be hesitant to draft him. New York is a ****ing beast and I don't know how well a 19 year old well fair with all the distractions and millions to blow! Towns may very well be the best player in the draft from a potential standpoint but potential is seldom fulfilled. It's why I'd love to trade down (if we select Towns) to get guys who have a more tangible skillset and who have demonstrated that they can handle the spotlight/pressure of being "The Guy".

Im not the plagerism police mate.. no worries. we throw so much poop at the walls here there isnt much point it giving credit. To me Town's potential makes him a top 5 but his red flags keep him out of my top 2-3.

for me it now looks like this:
1) OK4
2/2A) Russel/Hezonja
4) Towns
5) Mudiay

to me its more than just who can be best. Im looking at risk/reward and need as well. We need a player who can play. We have a very empty roster and while Towns may be a wonderful player he's got a looooooooooot of growing to do, and nothing he's doing at KY is translating to the NBA. The 3 I have listed before him are most likely coming in and playing 30mpg and that factors into my picking

I completely agree with what you said and largely agree with your rankings. I'd actually bump Mudiay up one slot, ahead of Towns though. This is a PG-driven era and considering how dynamic Mudiay is, it'd be hard to pass on him. He does come with the unproven tag but everything I've seen of him has left me impressed.