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TPercy
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3/24/2015  9:58 PM
blkexec wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Dukies are great college players, but never truly make it in the pros. Grant Hill is the only player who reached super-stardom, but due to health issue, his career took a downward turn.

Thus, I would be very careful drafting Okafor

And that's just the opposite for Kentucky players. Especially at the critical positions of PG and Center. They usually shine in the NBA.

Yup, They have an arguably best center and another top 10 one, best pf, 5 top 15 pgs right now. It is insane.

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3/24/2015  10:05 PM
Also, how could Stein, Kaminsky, and Embiid end up on the knicks Roster? Also, that's a lot of young bigs who will have to develop together in this scenario. I guess it would give you Embiid insurance in case his injury is serious.

Anyway, this won't happen because the #1 pick is not worth that much.

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3/24/2015  10:37 PM
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Knicks1969 wrote:Philly and Boston have multiple picks in this draft. Boston would love to add a big like Okafor to play next to Olynyck. I know for a fact Philly is aiming for Russell. Those two teams might be excellent trade partners

And if Phil is smart....he should already have a trading package for all potential picks that involves Boston, Philly and anybody else with multiple picks. If he's scraping the barrel for D league non drafted talent.....then he should and probably doing the same with draft pick scenarios. Thats the right thing to do.....Explore all options. I don't think we had any GM's that did a good job of that in the past. Phil seems like the type that will explore everything....

If Phil were smart, he would've held out on trading Tyson Chandler for a better package (i.e. for OKC's 21st and 29th picks in 2014). If Phil were smart, he would've started the process of adding non-guaranteed contracts the season before to make a play for Pau Gasol and/or Aaron Afflalo this past offseason. But Phil ain't that smart as a rookie Team President and did none of that. Even these D-League prospects you're touting are probably guys that some no-name in the organization pushed for and Phil obliged. We've been finding the like before Phil even arrived (see Jeremy Lin, Chris Copeland, etc.)

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3/24/2015  10:42 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Can all be on the Knicks roster if we trade our pick. I would only keep that pick if it is the first overall. I love Towns and Russell, but the three front court players I mentions can forever change our course.

How? You think Philly would trade Embiid, their pick, and the Lakers' pick to move up a few spots? Zero chance that would happen.

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3/24/2015  10:43 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Philly and Boston have multiple picks in this draft. Boston would love to add a big like Okafor to play next to Olynyck. I know for a fact Philly is aiming for Russell. Those two teams might be excellent trade partners

And if Phil is smart....he should already have a trading package for all potential picks that involves Boston, Philly and anybody else with multiple picks. If he's scraping the barrel for D league non drafted talent.....then he should and probably doing the same with draft pick scenarios. Thats the right thing to do.....Explore all options. I don't think we had any GM's that did a good job of that in the past. Phil seems like the type that will explore everything....

If Phil were smart, he would've held out on trading Tyson Chandler for a better package (i.e. for OKC's 21st and 29th picks in 2014). If Phil were smart, he would've started the process of adding non-guaranteed contracts the season before to make a play for Pau Gasol and/or Aaron Afflalo this past offseason. But Phil ain't that smart as a rookie Team President and did none of that. Even these D-League prospects you're touting are probably guys that some no-name in the organization pushed for and Phil obliged. We've been finding the like before Phil even arrived (see Jeremy Lin, Chris Copeland, etc.)

I feel physical pain everytime this is brought up.

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3/24/2015  10:43 PM
VCoug wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Can all be on the Knicks roster if we trade our pick. I would only keep that pick if it is the first overall. I love Towns and Russell, but the three front court players I mentions can forever change our course.

How? You think Philly would trade Embiid, their pick, and the Lakers' pick to move up a few spots? Zero chance that would happen.

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3/24/2015  10:52 PM
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Philly and Boston have multiple picks in this draft. Boston would love to add a big like Okafor to play next to Olynyck. I know for a fact Philly is aiming for Russell. Those two teams might be excellent trade partners

And if Phil is smart....he should already have a trading package for all potential picks that involves Boston, Philly and anybody else with multiple picks. If he's scraping the barrel for D league non drafted talent.....then he should and probably doing the same with draft pick scenarios. Thats the right thing to do.....Explore all options. I don't think we had any GM's that did a good job of that in the past. Phil seems like the type that will explore everything....

If Phil were smart, he would've held out on trading Tyson Chandler for a better package (i.e. for OKC's 21st and 29th picks in 2014). If Phil were smart, he would've started the process of adding non-guaranteed contracts the season before to make a play for Pau Gasol and/or Aaron Afflalo this past offseason. But Phil ain't that smart as a rookie Team President and did none of that. Even these D-League prospects you're touting are probably guys that some no-name in the organization pushed for and Phil obliged. We've been finding the like before Phil even arrived (see Jeremy Lin, Chris Copeland, etc.)

I feel physical pain everytime this is brought up.

I remember being maligned along with you and another poster (I think either smackeddog or Gustavballer) for thinking the same before the draft. Considering that Timofey Mozgov garnered two first round picks and even Omer "butterfinger" Asik netted a first round pick, the 21st and 29th picks should've been a pittance for Tyson. That trade may have been one of the worst we've made post-Eddy Curry. And what's even more depressing is that Mitch McGary (the 21st pick) looks like a player and would have easily been a starter on our team.

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3/24/2015  10:56 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Philly and Boston have multiple picks in this draft. Boston would love to add a big like Okafor to play next to Olynyck. I know for a fact Philly is aiming for Russell. Those two teams might be excellent trade partners

And if Phil is smart....he should already have a trading package for all potential picks that involves Boston, Philly and anybody else with multiple picks. If he's scraping the barrel for D league non drafted talent.....then he should and probably doing the same with draft pick scenarios. Thats the right thing to do.....Explore all options. I don't think we had any GM's that did a good job of that in the past. Phil seems like the type that will explore everything....

If Phil were smart, he would've held out on trading Tyson Chandler for a better package (i.e. for OKC's 21st and 29th picks in 2014). If Phil were smart, he would've started the process of adding non-guaranteed contracts the season before to make a play for Pau Gasol and/or Aaron Afflalo this past offseason. But Phil ain't that smart as a rookie Team President and did none of that. Even these D-League prospects you're touting are probably guys that some no-name in the organization pushed for and Phil obliged. We've been finding the like before Phil even arrived (see Jeremy Lin, Chris Copeland, etc.)

I feel physical pain everytime this is brought up.

I remember being maligned along with you and another poster (I think either smackeddog or Gustavballer) for thinking the same before the draft. Considering that Timofey Mozgov garnered two first round picks and even Omer "butterfinger" Asik netted a first round pick, the 21st and 29th picks should've been a pittance for Tyson. That trade may have been one of the worst we've made post-Eddy Curry. And what's even more depressing is that Mitch McGary (the 21st pick) looks like a player and would have easily been a starter on our team.

Hell, OKC clearly didn't want their second 1st round pick; they used it on Huestis so they could send him to the D-League. He was a borderline 2nd round talent, definitely not 1st round. Worst case scenario, we would have had to include Shumpert. And we wouldn't be paying Calderon $7M/year for another two seasons after this one.

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3/24/2015  11:57 PM
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
VCoug wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Knicks1969 wrote:Philly and Boston have multiple picks in this draft. Boston would love to add a big like Okafor to play next to Olynyck. I know for a fact Philly is aiming for Russell. Those two teams might be excellent trade partners

And if Phil is smart....he should already have a trading package for all potential picks that involves Boston, Philly and anybody else with multiple picks. If he's scraping the barrel for D league non drafted talent.....then he should and probably doing the same with draft pick scenarios. Thats the right thing to do.....Explore all options. I don't think we had any GM's that did a good job of that in the past. Phil seems like the type that will explore everything....

If Phil were smart, he would've held out on trading Tyson Chandler for a better package (i.e. for OKC's 21st and 29th picks in 2014). If Phil were smart, he would've started the process of adding non-guaranteed contracts the season before to make a play for Pau Gasol and/or Aaron Afflalo this past offseason. But Phil ain't that smart as a rookie Team President and did none of that. Even these D-League prospects you're touting are probably guys that some no-name in the organization pushed for and Phil obliged. We've been finding the like before Phil even arrived (see Jeremy Lin, Chris Copeland, etc.)

I feel physical pain everytime this is brought up.

I remember being maligned along with you and another poster (I think either smackeddog or Gustavballer) for thinking the same before the draft. Considering that Timofey Mozgov garnered two first round picks and even Omer "butterfinger" Asik netted a first round pick, the 21st and 29th picks should've been a pittance for Tyson. That trade may have been one of the worst we've made post-Eddy Curry. And what's even more depressing is that Mitch McGary (the 21st pick) looks like a player and would have easily been a starter on our team.

Hell, OKC clearly didn't want their second 1st round pick; they used it on Huestis so they could send him to the D-League. He was a borderline 2nd round talent, definitely not 1st round. Worst case scenario, we would have had to include Shumpert. And we wouldn't be paying Calderon $7M/year for another two seasons after this one.

Truth be told, I thought the same thing of Mitch McGary. Were there any mock drafts that projected him any higher than early/mid second round? With Steven Adams injured, he did seem to validate himself as a first round talent but I definitely thought it was a stretch at the time. With Rodney Hood, Kyle Anderson, KJ McDaniels,Shabazz Napier and Spencer Dinwiddie on the board, I definitely would've gone in a different direction. But them picking him where they did says a lot about how much they "valued" the pick.

As for Shumpert, he and that 2nd round pick we got from Dallas should've been parlayed into Aaron Afflalo. The asking price was so ridiculously low that I have to believe this package was superior and that Phil was not doing his homework before the draft. Had it happened as part of a three team trade with Dallas, at least then we could hang our hat on something from the Tyson Chandler deal.

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3/25/2015  12:15 PM
Knicks1969 wrote:Dukies are great college players, but never truly make it in the pros. Grant Hill is the only player who reached super-stardom, but due to health issue, his career took a downward turn.

Thus, I would be very careful drafting Okafor

about the dumbest logic I have ever heard. You base your thoughts on Okafor because of atotally unrelated player just because they went to the same school?

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3/25/2015  12:27 PM
Ok4 is going to be a good offensive player in the NBA. It's interesting that coach K hasn't really developed any truly great bigs. It seems he is successful with a system that doesn't require your bigs to be great defensively. Similar to Dantoni and probably why they get along so well. Duke has produced some very good defensive wings in Hill, Battier & now Winslow.

If Towns is off the board I would still draft OK4 because he is a safer pick than Mudiay & Russell as of today.

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3/25/2015  1:58 PM
fishmike wrote:If Phili is willing to trade him can you think of a bigger red flag? Last I read he gained a ton of weight and hurt himself during rehab and is walking in a boot.

This would be like Dice the sequel. If they were willing to send him packing this soon after coming back, that's a big red flag to me.

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