nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:People bashed me for saying that our draft pick could be the new face of the franchise and that once drafted everything switches from merely the present and Melo to the hope and future that our draft pick would give the franchise. It's no different than what happened with David Robinson and Tim Duncan when he was drafted. IMO it's just the natural transition that fans make. There's no way that if we drafted OK4 that people wouldn't view him as the franchise.

David Robinson and Tim Duncan? How?

First, Ok4 is good but please for heavens sake don't put him in Duncan's category. And, who on our team is David Robinson?

And, if ok4 will go #1 which certainly seems like a very strong possibility, and you / we want him, we only have a 1 in 4 shot at getting him.

So ... easy with the comparison and early excitement.

JESUS!!! This is what i'm talking about. Every single time someone mentions great players the immediate response is to assume that we're saying that the player will be as good as said great players. IT'S THE DAMNED SITUATION and not the players per se that i'm comparing. Melo is already here and the star of the team. Robinson was there and the star of the team. When Duncan came in he became the franchise and so i'm saying that OK4 would become the franchise if he came in even tho at present Melo is the star of the team.

Melo isnt handing the keys over to Jah like Robinson was willing to do with Duncan. the comparison imo is actually not a good one at all primarily because Jah is no Duncan.

Melo will be somewhat diminished and looking for some relief from carrying the load. I think you underestimate that factor.

If melo is diminished in any facet, this team is screwed. NBA teams wont having an issue defending Jah's scoring or at worst let him get his and defend the rest like everyone does with Al Jefferson.

What are you even talking about. The team is not screwed if Melo comes back and isn't looking to carry the team as in the past. For one thing there will be more talent around him and he won't have to try and force things. That's the entire point of this off season. I think perhaps you have not been watching the Knicks and fully understanding how the Triangle works. They won't be forcing the ball to OK4 and allowing the defense to just set up against him. Perhaps you should rethink this position cuz that's not how this system works at all. The constant ball and player movement will actually make it easier for OK4 not harder.

But the point still stands....a diminished melo is a screwed Knicks situation. none of these cats are saviours from the start.

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:People bashed me for saying that our draft pick could be the new face of the franchise and that once drafted everything switches from merely the present and Melo to the hope and future that our draft pick would give the franchise. It's no different than what happened with David Robinson and Tim Duncan when he was drafted. IMO it's just the natural transition that fans make. There's no way that if we drafted OK4 that people wouldn't view him as the franchise.

David Robinson and Tim Duncan? How?

First, Ok4 is good but please for heavens sake don't put him in Duncan's category. And, who on our team is David Robinson?

And, if ok4 will go #1 which certainly seems like a very strong possibility, and you / we want him, we only have a 1 in 4 shot at getting him.

So ... easy with the comparison and early excitement.

JESUS!!! This is what i'm talking about. Every single time someone mentions great players the immediate response is to assume that we're saying that the player will be as good as said great players. IT'S THE DAMNED SITUATION and not the players per se that i'm comparing. Melo is already here and the star of the team. Robinson was there and the star of the team. When Duncan came in he became the franchise and so i'm saying that OK4 would become the franchise if he came in even tho at present Melo is the star of the team.

Melo isnt handing the keys over to Jah like Robinson was willing to do with Duncan. the comparison imo is actually not a good one at all primarily because Jah is no Duncan.

Melo will be somewhat diminished and looking for some relief from carrying the load. I think you underestimate that factor.

If melo is diminished in any facet, this team is screwed. NBA teams wont having an issue defending Jah's scoring or at worst let him get his and defend the rest like everyone does with Al Jefferson.

What are you even talking about. The team is not screwed if Melo comes back and isn't looking to carry the team as in the past. For one thing there will be more talent around him and he won't have to try and force things. That's the entire point of this off season. I think perhaps you have not been watching the Knicks and fully understanding how the Triangle works. They won't be forcing the ball to OK4 and allowing the defense to just set up against him. Perhaps you should rethink this position cuz that's not how this system works at all. The constant ball and player movement will actually make it easier for OK4 not harder.

I'm actually wondering what you're talking about. NBA defenses dont give a damn about the triangle...it defeats itself without top notch talent. Team who attack win, even during this college game we're both watching, the only reason why Jah is looking so good is because Winslow is attacking like a man possessed. They've already trapped Jah some, sure he can score....but can he defend? Nah.

But the point still stands....a diminished melo is a screwed Knicks situation. none of these cats are saviours from the start.

A team will be able to base their entire offense on okafor and its easy build out from the pivot out. You build defense based on a team concept The guys you bring in should be synergetic with the others. Grabbing a 25-27 post pivot is the biggest no brained we've seen this year. We over rate what might need work and under rate what is so good

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:People bashed me for saying that our draft pick could be the new face of the franchise and that once drafted everything switches from merely the present and Melo to the hope and future that our draft pick would give the franchise. It's no different than what happened with David Robinson and Tim Duncan when he was drafted. IMO it's just the natural transition that fans make. There's no way that if we drafted OK4 that people wouldn't view him as the franchise.

David Robinson and Tim Duncan? How?

First, Ok4 is good but please for heavens sake don't put him in Duncan's category. And, who on our team is David Robinson?

And, if ok4 will go #1 which certainly seems like a very strong possibility, and you / we want him, we only have a 1 in 4 shot at getting him.

So ... easy with the comparison and early excitement.

JESUS!!! This is what i'm talking about. Every single time someone mentions great players the immediate response is to assume that we're saying that the player will be as good as said great players. IT'S THE DAMNED SITUATION and not the players per se that i'm comparing. Melo is already here and the star of the team. Robinson was there and the star of the team. When Duncan came in he became the franchise and so i'm saying that OK4 would become the franchise if he came in even tho at present Melo is the star of the team.

Melo isnt handing the keys over to Jah like Robinson was willing to do with Duncan. the comparison imo is actually not a good one at all primarily because Jah is no Duncan.

Melo will be somewhat diminished and looking for some relief from carrying the load. I think you underestimate that factor.

If melo is diminished in any facet, this team is screwed. NBA teams wont having an issue defending Jah's scoring or at worst let him get his and defend the rest like everyone does with Al Jefferson.

What are you even talking about. The team is not screwed if Melo comes back and isn't looking to carry the team as in the past. For one thing there will be more talent around him and he won't have to try and force things. That's the entire point of this off season. I think perhaps you have not been watching the Knicks and fully understanding how the Triangle works. They won't be forcing the ball to OK4 and allowing the defense to just set up against him. Perhaps you should rethink this position cuz that's not how this system works at all. The constant ball and player movement will actually make it easier for OK4 not harder.

I'm actually wondering what you're talking about. NBA defenses dont give a damn about the triangle...it defeats itself without top notch talent. Team who attack win, even during this college game we're both watching, the only reason why Jah is looking so good is because Winslow is attacking like a man possessed. They've already trapped Jah some, sure he can score....but can he defend? Nah.

But the point still stands....a diminished melo is a screwed Knicks situation. none of these cats are saviours from the start.

A team will be able to base their entire offense on okafor and its easy build out from the pivot out. You build defense based on a team concept The guys you bring in should be synergetic with the others. Grabbing a 25-27 post pivot is the biggest no brained we've seen this year. We over rate what might need work and under rate what is so good

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nixluva wrote:People bashed me for saying that our draft pick could be the new face of the franchise and that once drafted everything switches from merely the present and Melo to the hope and future that our draft pick would give the franchise. It's no different than what happened with David Robinson and Tim Duncan when he was drafted. IMO it's just the natural transition that fans make. There's no way that if we drafted OK4 that people wouldn't view him as the franchise.

David Robinson and Tim Duncan? How?

First, Ok4 is good but please for heavens sake don't put him in Duncan's category. And, who on our team is David Robinson?

And, if ok4 will go #1 which certainly seems like a very strong possibility, and you / we want him, we only have a 1 in 4 shot at getting him.

So ... easy with the comparison and early excitement.

JESUS!!! This is what i'm talking about. Every single time someone mentions great players the immediate response is to assume that we're saying that the player will be as good as said great players. IT'S THE DAMNED SITUATION and not the players per se that i'm comparing. Melo is already here and the star of the team. Robinson was there and the star of the team. When Duncan came in he became the franchise and so i'm saying that OK4 would become the franchise if he came in even tho at present Melo is the star of the team.

Melo isnt handing the keys over to Jah like Robinson was willing to do with Duncan. the comparison imo is actually not a good one at all primarily because Jah is no Duncan.

Melo will be somewhat diminished and looking for some relief from carrying the load. I think you underestimate that factor.

If melo is diminished in any facet, this team is screwed. NBA teams wont having an issue defending Jah's scoring or at worst let him get his and defend the rest like everyone does with Al Jefferson.

What are you even talking about. The team is not screwed if Melo comes back and isn't looking to carry the team as in the past. For one thing there will be more talent around him and he won't have to try and force things. That's the entire point of this off season. I think perhaps you have not been watching the Knicks and fully understanding how the Triangle works. They won't be forcing the ball to OK4 and allowing the defense to just set up against him. Perhaps you should rethink this position cuz that's not how this system works at all. The constant ball and player movement will actually make it easier for OK4 not harder.

I'm actually wondering what you're talking about. NBA defenses dont give a damn about the triangle...it defeats itself without top notch talent. Team who attack win, even during this college game we're both watching, the only reason why Jah is looking so good is because Winslow is attacking like a man possessed. They've already trapped Jah some, sure he can score....but can he defend? Nah.

But the point still stands....a diminished melo is a screwed Knicks situation. none of these cats are saviours from the start.

The entire point is to bring in better talent so that the openings created by the offense can be converted. Our players are often in point blank range inside and fail to convert the easy score or are wide open and miss the shot. That's not the offense that's the talent. The entire point of the Triangle, which you clearly can't comprehend, is to attack the weakness of a defense. If you have the ability to cut, drive and finish you will find success. We haven't had a lot of players capable of doing that. As we improve the talent you'll see more execution and finished plays.

You sound like a fool talking about Winslow attacking and that's why OK4 is looking good. OK4 is the one creating the openings by drawing doubles. I love Winslow cuz he also creates plays on D, but don't take away from what OK4 brings to the team just to pump up Winslow. Winslow is great in his own right and doesn't need to be pumped up at the expense of OK4. They're both great players. Also OK4 has defended and altered shots. You must not be watching the game. Just cuz he doesn't try to block shots doesn't mean he's not in position and having an impact inside.

I would be careful about telling others who sound like a fool.....nobody has that on lock better than you.

yellowboy90 wrote:Robinson had a higher usg than Duncan is Tim's rookie year. Then the usg started going Duncan way as the years went on. Really though one can argue Robinson was the better player. What Tim allowed Robinson to do is to play less minutes because he could carry the load. Tim came into the league avg near 40 min played a game. That helped him put up more stats but per 36 Robinson was putting up similar and better numbers while being more efficient.

where are you going with this yellow?

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Robinson had a higher usg than Duncan is Tim's rookie year. Then the usg started going Duncan way as the years went on. Really though one can argue Robinson was the better player. What Tim allowed Robinson to do is to play less minutes because he could carry the load. Tim came into the league avg near 40 min played a game. That helped him put up more stats but per 36 Robinson was putting up similar and better numbers while being more efficient.

where are you going with this yellow?

Proof that Robinson was still pretty dominant, but he was allowed to play less.

mreinman wrote:

knickscity wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Robinson had a higher usg than Duncan is Tim's rookie year. Then the usg started going Duncan way as the years went on. Really though one can argue Robinson was the better player. What Tim allowed Robinson to do is to play less minutes because he could carry the load. Tim came into the league avg near 40 min played a game. That helped him put up more stats but per 36 Robinson was putting up similar and better numbers while being more efficient.

where are you going with this yellow?

Proof that Robinson was still pretty dominant, but he was allowed to play less.

Robinson was one of the top few players in the league those years and was still that player after Duncan was drafted.

People don't realize or respect just how good Robinson was.

This conversation is kinda dumb no? Why are we talking about this again?

If Melo is Robinson, then Melo needs to be healthy to compete not only being the star player on the team, but Okafor at this juncture is no Duncan.

BRIGGS wrote:

knickscity wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:You can run your entire offense through Okafor. He's huge nimble and has incredible touch yet you can see that he's a willing passer. Its a no brained at 1 . Also I'll bet anyone here that okaWay bws better than Carmelo right now. Today

Okafor isnt better than Melo right now, come on dude.

Way better for so many reasons

I agree. No way I would trade Okafor for Melo, even without any age/money considerations.