The key is they have to fit. Something the knicks have ignored in their previous acquisitions

Jahlil Okafor might be able to play a similar role to Shaq in this offense. MIGHT. He's got a great power post game and world class post moves at age 19. And he MIGHT be able to play Shaq's role. MIGHT.

MONROE?? No way, man.

I don't like the idea of giving Monroe max money. I think it's a waste. He's a decent player, but the market is going to overpay him. I say pass. Watch some Detroit games and tell me this guy will ever be anything close to Shaq. He's a PF with a good post game on offense, limited jumper, no defense, no shotblocking, good passer. You can't give him a max deal and hope he plays up to his contract, it's not gonna happen. I feel like that happens a lot in FA. You give a guy who doesn't deserve it a lot of money and think that makes him a star. Monroe's in his fifth year - he's not gonna change much as a player. His jumper will probably improve with time, as Oakley and Kurt Thomas were able to improve theirs... but thinking Monroe is gonna be some sort of beast in the post is mistaken.

Karl Anthony Towns and Monroe kinda make sense together - but you look at Detroit and they've got Drummond and Monroe next to each other now and they are not very good at all. Heck, they lost to the Knicks with Drummond and Monroe. Bargnani threw 25pts in Monroe's mug. Amundson had 17pts and 14rebs against that Detroit front line.

No to Monroe.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:He's high on my list, but because of the passing, size and rebounding. He's not going to be a rim protector.. he's a below the rim player, but he's very strong, excellent on the boards and has a nice set of moves in the paint.

Depends on who we draft.

No w/ OK4
Yes with Tows, Russell, Muiday or Kaminsky

other than shaq, who on phils teams was this type of player?

I think Guns gave you the name in his post, Andrew Bynum. Also, without looking I think most of the Bulls Centers fit that catergory too but when you have Jordan, Pippen, and Grant holding you up you can get away with that. Plus the league was different but Bynum played in the offense a few years ago.

Sidenote: Check out Grant stats if you haven't. Dude had a mega 2 yr run for the Bulls at one time.

yeah ... forgot about Bynum and he was also a monster. Monroe can't touch what Bynum was doing. He had a TS of 60 as a laker and scored 70% at the rim. And, the guy actually played defense. Also, he was better than Monroe between 3-10 feet as well.

Bynum is another bad comparison.

Grant was excellent as a bull.

gunsnewing wrote:We can always wait for Durant/Davis and strike out again

or we can just ejaculate early like always.

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:We can always wait for Durant/Davis and strike out again

or we can just ejaculate early like always.

Did you run that through Metaphor Checker before posting it?

smackeddog wrote:What are Milsap's shooting numbers like? I like them both, but I think I would take a risk on Monroe- he isn't a shooter, but he's a good passer (an area of his game that he has neglected the last year or two), rebounder and can finish. He's more a meat and potatoes guy- he'll give you a pretty consistent 15pts, 10rebs- won't win you any games (I don't get the impression he's a difference maker), but sometimes you need some consistent guys on your roster, and the other players can give you that extra oomph you need to win. I like Milsap a lot, but Monroe is younger and can play PF and C, where as Milsap is just a PF really.

Plus Monroe has room to improve a little more. His defense puts me off (I just want a good defensive team), but I think he'd be a nice complement next to Towns.

you want to max this compliment guy?

The problem will always be defense and finding guys that can fit around him that also fit well with his teammates abilities. Then you have to decide if you want to play mega money for that kind of player. If the knicks could get Towns then he could possibly be that guy because he would not clutter the lane for M&M(Melo & Monroe) but he can cover for those on D as a shot blocker and a player who can switch and guard 3-5.

In my opinion Monroe is not a Max player and not a player that would be my first choice but at $10-13m he would be a good get.

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Greg Monroe is really not a bad player and I think Stat guys would even agree. Offensively his 1st two years where extremely positive but then he dipped down for two years and now after Josh Smith dismissal he has picked his game back up.

The problem will always be defense and finding guys that can fit around him that also fit well with his teammates abilities. Then you have to decide if you want to play mega money for that kind of player. If the knicks could get Towns then he could possibly be that guy because he would not clutter the lane for M&M(Melo & Monroe) but he can cover for those on D as a shot blocker and a player who can switch and guard 3-5.

In my opinion Monroe is not a Max player and not a player that would be my first choice but at $10-13m he would be a good get.

I agree with your take. He is a good player but no way a max.

would you take him over draymond green? Not a freakin chance.

Green is restricted though- I don't see him being an option. There are many other players I would rather max out (e.g. Jimmy Butler), but the reality is Monroe is the most obtainable. He's not perfect, but he's okay, and like I said his max contract will seem better when the cap rises.

However, I'm saying all this assuming we draft Towns- if we draft Russell or OK4 then Monroe makes no sense.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Greg Monroe is really not a bad player and I think Stat guys would even agree. Offensively his 1st two years where extremely positive but then he dipped down for two years and now after Josh Smith dismissal he has picked his game back up.

The problem will always be defense and finding guys that can fit around him that also fit well with his teammates abilities. Then you have to decide if you want to play mega money for that kind of player. If the knicks could get Towns then he could possibly be that guy because he would not clutter the lane for M&M(Melo & Monroe) but he can cover for those on D as a shot blocker and a player who can switch and guard 3-5.

In my opinion Monroe is not a Max player and not a player that would be my first choice but at $10-13m he would be a good get.

I agree with your take. He is a good player but no way a max.

would you take him over draymond green? Not a freakin chance.

Green is restricted though- I don't see him being an option. There are many other players I would rather max out (e.g. Jimmy Butler), but the reality is Monroe is the most obtainable. He's not perfect, but he's okay, and like I said his max contract will seem better when the cap rises.

However, I'm saying all this assuming we draft Towns- if we draft Russell or OK4 then Monroe makes no sense.

Yeah ... I know that Dray is a pipe dream but I hope we give it a shot.

I am not really a capologist and I don't know how it fits in this year with maxing out players.

If we overpay because we are not worried about the cap that I hope we overpay for the right players, and, I don't care if we do nothing and wait for 2016 if we have to.

Lets go for Milsap who is a winning player, go all in for Dragic and Draymond ... go all in for difference makers.

Hell if we are gonna go after Monroe then lets just go all in for love