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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/19/2015 7:41 AM
I like that they are doing something with the open spot. It is a no risk move and Ledo was the 6th ranked prospect in his class in 2012 so the talent is there. I know there are character concerns and this quote from a mavs blog is concerning:
The character concerns are loud, and hard to ignore, especially when a former coach is calling you "the worst human being I've been associated with on a basketball court". http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2013/6/28/4476192/ricky-ledo-draft-dallas-mavericks I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/19/2015 8:09 AM LAST EDITED: 3/19/2015 8:11 AM
CrushAlot wrote:I like that they are doing something with the open spot. It is a no risk move and Ledo was the 6th ranked prospect in his class in 2012 so the talent is there. I know there are character concerns and this quote from a mavs blog is concerning:The character concerns are loud, and hard to ignore, especially when a former coach is calling you "the worst human being I've been associated with on a basketball court". Wow. Who called him that? That's harsh...I scanned the article -- I don't think it was Carlisle. Sounds like it came before Dallas. Someone from Providence or the DL? Doesn't look like Carlisle liked Ledo either--he never played the kid. Buried Dominique Jones too when they had him recently. Speaking of Dominique Jones -- he and Ledo are similar: 2Gs with advanced handles, innate scoring prowess and the ability to see the floor and set up teammates. Shved has those qualities too. Nice move -- hopefully these character issues we've been hearing about are overblown and/or inaccurate (hard to picture a rookie 2nd round pick not on his best behavior trying to impress and do whatever it took to make it in the NBA). Ledo's one of the guys we've been talking about for the last spot. I wonder why it took so long to bring him in here? Did it take Phil that long to do a background check? Did it take that long to clear waivers? Is Phil really conscious of the record after all and against adding too many wins before it's over, thus weakening our draft positioning? Maybe a combination of all 3...He's here now -- let's take a look. I wonder who's PT gets impacted the most--Galloway's, Hardaway Jr's, Early's??? |
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franco12
Posts: 34069 Alba Posts: 4 Joined: 2/19/2004 Member: #599 USA |
3/19/2015 8:12 AM
nixluva wrote:Let the videos commence! Screw Ledo, I want Renaldo Balkman back! |
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nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
3/19/2015 8:37 AM
Finestrg wrote: i'm with ya bro. these kids are always ****y coming out of high-school for the most part, so that doesn't surprise me. he's 6'7/200lbs and like you said earlier has an advanced handle and innate scoring prowess. that type of player doesn't grow on trees. maybe this is the kind of kid that pjax can work his magic with and really get into his head. if he can somehow harness this kid, that's a big win for us because he's most definitely a gifted-type scorer. "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/19/2015 9:20 AM
Finestrg wrote:Early had a pretty complex brace mechanism on his 'sprained ankle'. Also, it sounds like Calderon's season might be over and Hardaway is out with his wrist so there should be minutes. In regards to the quote, I thought it might be one of his high school coaches. The article was written right after he was drafted.CrushAlot wrote:I like that they are doing something with the open spot. It is a no risk move and Ledo was the 6th ranked prospect in his class in 2012 so the talent is there. I know there are character concerns and this quote from a mavs blog is concerning:The character concerns are loud, and hard to ignore, especially when a former coach is calling you "the worst human being I've been associated with on a basketball court". I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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blkexec
Posts: 28347 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
3/19/2015 9:43 AM
CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:Early had a pretty complex brace mechanism on his 'sprained ankle'. Also, it sounds like Calderon's season might be over and Hardaway is out with his wrist so there should be minutes. In regards to the quote, I thought it might be one of his high school coaches. The article was written right after he was drafted.CrushAlot wrote:I like that they are doing something with the open spot. It is a no risk move and Ledo was the 6th ranked prospect in his class in 2012 so the talent is there. I know there are character concerns and this quote from a mavs blog is concerning:The character concerns are loud, and hard to ignore, especially when a former coach is calling you "the worst human being I've been associated with on a basketball court". Thats why the draft is not guarenteed to produce right away. Some guys use their character to give them an edge and simply don't know how to control while producing on the court. I remember in highschool when I played football, my best games is when I had to start a fight / arguement just to produce. If I wasn't agree, I was not an impact player on the football field. It takes time to mature and figure out other ways to dominate without being a A-hole all the time. And I play with NBA drop outs and overseas guys all the time. All they talk about is how they dominated current NBA players. They know they have the same skills as anybody playing in the NBA, so they will always carry that confidence. And that confidence can rub people the wrong way, especially when you have NBA skills similar to the elite players, but lack the maturity. This is also a case where his leadership skills, should start catching up with his physical skills....so we hope. But eitherway, it's a win...win situation to be in and another classic Phil move, scrubing the NBA barrel for quality bench players to build around our 2014 draft pick, Melo and free agents. My guess is him and Shevd will produce more wins and cause more panic for the pro tank fans (including me...we all want a high draft pick). But you can't have your cake and eat it too. And this is the perfect draft that doesn't have a clear cut top pick. So any of the top 5 picks (yes I said 5 picks) will be quality NBA players to build around. Everybody in the top 5 may not produce, according to history. Pick #5 could be just a good as Pick #1. Nobody knows at this point and it's not worth stressing over something you can't control. Phil wants these guys to play hard until the end of the season, before deciding to commit millions to them. Everybody is under review, and their goal (including Fisher) is to show Phil they can win games! It's a tricky position to be in. Lets hope everything works out in our favor for once. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/19/2015 9:46 AM
NYY1NYK2 wrote:MARK MY WORDS: Ledo will take hardaways place, Hardaway gets traded for an additional pickIf Ledo plays well this might happen. Also, it opens things up for Early or Thanasis to be moved in a draft night deal. I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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newyorker4ever
Posts: 26515 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/19/2014 Member: #5816 |
3/19/2015 9:50 AM
nyk4ever wrote:blkexec wrote:nyk4ever wrote:https://twitter.com/IanBegley/status/578386869458739200Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Yep i remember his name being thrown around leading up to and during the draft as a kid some wanted to take a chance on. There's a lot of kids out there that i believe can play in the NBA but just never got a real chance because there just wasn't room on a team to give the kid a real chance or whatever other reasons. Some of these kids will get 10-12 minutes a game to start out and if they don't produce then they either get sent down to the d-league or put on the end of the bench. That's just not enough gametime for anyone to get in a rhythm unless it's a star player coming out of college. Hopefully Fisher will give the kid some floor time to see what he can do. |
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Finestrg
Posts: 27296 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/1/2006 Member: #1069 |
3/19/2015 10:12 AM LAST EDITED: 3/19/2015 10:38 AM
CrushAlot wrote:NYY1NYK2 wrote:MARK MY WORDS: Ledo will take hardaways place, Hardaway gets traded for an additional pickIf Ledo plays well this might happen. Also, it opens things up for Early or Thanasis to be moved in a draft night deal. If anything, of the 3 I'd prefer to see Hardaway moved -- maybe for a 2nd round pick, or some low-grade opportunistic trade like to Dallas for Dwight Powell maybe. I think he's the most replaceable (inconsistent/volume 3-pt shooter that offers little else). I'd rather have Shved and Ledo than THJ -- and Ledo hasn't even played a game for us yet. Early irks me a little--I know young fella's been injured all over the joint this year but he never did much to stand out when he did see floor time. Still wanna keep him around for the time being though (he looked totally different playing for Westchester--much more decisive player. Makes me believe he's got it in him somewhere and I need to be a little more patient).. And Thanasis I wanna keep around--let's see if that defensive ability he has is legit. Be nice to have our own shutdown defender on the cheap, a guy who can also score a little too.. Getting a little ahead of myself but if Shved and Ledo are keepers, we might only need one more wing for next year's roster, then we can focus on other areas: SF - Melo SG - Shved That wouldn't be a terrible group of wing players for the rotation. I can deal with that. There's a lot of interchangeability/versatility there, there's potential for a couple of standout players in the long run and ya figure the price should be right hopefully...I'd prefer to see premium upgrades made at the other positions (PG, the 2 big frontcourt spots). |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/19/2015 11:31 AM
IMO Ledo is quite clearly the kind of player that Phil tends to like. I don't know if Ledo will lock down a future spot, but he has that kind of talent. The thing that excites me and i'm sure Phil is the passing ability. Sure the kid has all kinds of scoring talent, but that passing puts him over the top in this offense. If his BB IQ is solid and he can grasp the system then we might catch another break with this kid. I'm hoping it works out cuz we could use all the breaks we can get. If Ledo latches on it's like getting another 1st rd pick this year. People don't look at it like that but it's exactly how it is. Just like Galloway in my view is another 1st rd. draft pick quality player.
Perhaps the struggle has matured Ledo at this point. Guys like Shved show that hunger to prove themselves and hopefully Ledo is chomping at the bit to prove he belongs and can contribute. He has NBA talent for sure. He just has to put it all together and take full advantage of this opportunity. I can't imagine he'll get a better stage to prove himself. |
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Splat
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3/19/2015 12:51 PM
In related news, Phil Jackson, GM of the The New York Knicks, came to terms on an agreement with The Greater Los Angeles Dog Pound for the waiver rights to all incoming pit bulls and abandoned circus dogs. Mr Jackson said, "In the competitive world of the NBA today, it is necessary to scour the landscape for overlooked gems to find players for a rebuilding club like ours."
I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
3/19/2015 1:00 PM
Splat wrote:In related news, Phil Jackson, GM of the The New York Knicks, came to terms on an agreement with The Greater Los Angeles Dog Pound for the waiver rights to all incoming pit bulls and abandoned circus dogs. Mr Jackson said, "In the competitive world of the NBA today, it is necessary to scour the landscape for overlooked gems to find players for a rebuilding club like ours." what the **** "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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BRIGGS
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3/19/2015 1:04 PM
Its a 10 day look at a player--its what the Knicks should be doing. Hardaway is out--they need an additional SG--Ledo was released from the Mavericks--maybe they had a deal in place where Amare was let go and wed wait and get Ledo? Who knows not a biggie right?
RIP Crushalot😞
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nixluva
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3/19/2015 1:07 PM
Dallas is a tough team for a young prospect. You simply can't break thru with such a packed vet team. It really doesn't mean Ledo is some kind of flop. You can't tell much of anything with young players who haven't gotten a chance to really play. He has talent but now has to show he really wants to be in the NBA. This is a GREAT opportunity for Ledo to show what he can do, but hopefully he can show how much of a team player he is and if he does that would really help his chances of sticking. It's not like we have a lot of players ahead of him.
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crzymdups
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3/19/2015 1:10 PM LAST EDITED: 3/19/2015 1:11 PM
I remember in 2013 some draft experts were predicting the Knicks would take Ledo at pick 24. It'd be pretty ironic if Ledo was signed out of the D-League to replace Hardaway almost two years later.
Anyway, he's a gifted athlete and a talented player. Seems like he had maturity issues? Maybe he grew up? He sort of reminds me of JR, but he's obviously much bigger. We'll see, I guess. Certainly worth a shot, especially if that shot leads to some more losses. ¿ △ ?
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knicks1248
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3/19/2015 2:42 PM
CrushAlot wrote:Finestrg wrote:Early had a pretty complex brace mechanism on his 'sprained ankle'. Also, it sounds like Calderon's season might be over and Hardaway is out with his wrist so there should be minutes. In regards to the quote, I thought it might be one of his high school coaches. The article was written right after he was drafted.CrushAlot wrote:I like that they are doing something with the open spot. It is a no risk move and Ledo was the 6th ranked prospect in his class in 2012 so the talent is there. I know there are character concerns and this quote from a mavs blog is concerning:The character concerns are loud, and hard to ignore, especially when a former coach is calling you "the worst human being I've been associated with on a basketball court".
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knicks1248
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3/19/2015 2:43 PM
Splat wrote:In related news, Phil Jackson, GM of the The New York Knicks, came to terms on an agreement with The Greater Los Angeles Dog Pound for the waiver rights to all incoming pit bulls and abandoned circus dogs. Mr Jackson said, "In the competitive world of the NBA today, it is necessary to scour the landscape for overlooked gems to find players for a rebuilding club like ours." hahaha!! ES
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Splat
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3/19/2015 2:50 PM
knicks1248 wrote:Splat wrote:In related news, Phil Jackson, GM of the The New York Knicks, came to terms on an agreement with The Greater Los Angeles Dog Pound for the waiver rights to all incoming pit bulls and abandoned circus dogs. Mr Jackson said, "In the competitive world of the NBA today, it is necessary to scour the landscape for overlooked gems to find players for a rebuilding club like ours."
I've got a fever and the only prescription is more cowbell!
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