crzymdups wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I can definitely see Lance Stephensen on the Knicks. He probably would fit in this system in a Pippen sorta role. Obviously Id love Jimmy Butler but Lance would be a nice fall back option. Need defense and toughness in the back court.

Doesn't Lance take up a boatload of cap space though?

I do not want to see THJ on this team next year. We can find guards who only defend and hit 3's at a much better clip consistently. THJ doesn't excel at anything.

I agree with Yellow. Those are all Vet min guys otherwise they can be easily replaced

Lance is $9M per year. A bargain if he's playing up to his potential. A cap drag otherwise.

I disagree about the Vet min guys - this is called building a team of guys who give a **** and like each other, know the system, have an identity. A team.

Why is Lance not playing up to his potential for the Hornets?

yellowboy90 wrote:Briggs, you are a good posters but I disagree with most of your numbers and some of the players you want to obtain.

Alexy Shved is doing well in NY but this is not a Lin situation where his market is going to go up. A 2yr deal with the second yr optional would be okay. The knicks will retain his bird rights then can sign him to a larger contract in 2016 after he proves he will dedicate himself to the gym and his craft(shooting/decision making).

Lou Amundson is a 32 year old hustle player. You do not give out money from your cap for guys like him. He is a vet minimum guy. Also, next year will be his 10th year. The Vet min. for 10 yr vets will be just under $1.5m. So, why hurt yourself by giving an extra 300k?

Cole Aldrich can barely play 2 minutes with out turning fuchsia. He is another vet minimum player and is definately not worth $3m.

Bargs sucks.

Now you just wasted $7m for the center position when you could potentially spend $7m on Kostos Koufos.

Larkin unfortunately seems to short to play the pg in the triangle. He has problem with post entry passes.

Kanter no.

Will Barton is a now because you do not try to outbid Denver for that kind of player.

Everyone will have their own opinion. Ill start off with the players from our team--

Shevyd--Im not offering Alex 3 years 24mm like Houston did for LIn. Im offering him 4 years 18mm and willing to go up a bit--thats a fair contract and one he will get from another team. I want Alex back--there is no doubt. 4.5-5.0 seems fair and reasonable

Aldrich--Aldrich at 2mm per for 3 years is good business. While he might not be fancy hes a VERY solid player who should be able to continue to improve. Because he might not be highly valued--I can keep him--and that really saves me money--would I rather have Cole at 2 or others for 5-7 that do the same thing---no brainer. Cole is under rted and can be used in a quality way. I like cohesion and I want to keep him No doubt about it not a huge move but the right move.

Lou Admundson--again a no brainer I dont care if hes 42 if he can do what hes done for the Knicks this year 1.8mm per for 2 seems very fair and reasonable--hes earned it. Again cohesion character hustle production for low cost. No brainer not a even a thought.

Larkin is a give and take--Ill take iof I can t find a third PG thats all he is--I keep the cohesion of teammates if I cant find a rookie or other player I give him the two years the same reason--want to keep the same guys together--again give or take depending--not any big news here either way.

Bargs--its pretty simple 1 year take it or leave it 1 year 4mm--if he get get more money elsewhere good bye.

Free agents

Pretty simple plan

We need a low block player who can command double teams who can score 20 points and grab 10-12 rebounds and when not open find the open man. Kanter is that. The Only way to get him is by offering him a maximum deal and putting intense pressure on OKC financially to match. If I draft Jahill I still want Kanter. Ill just pair up each with Cole and Admundson.

Stuckey--Ive followed him a lot this year. I love him for this team. Combo PG/SG willing high quality ball mover rebounder much improved mechanics on his 3 ball explosive efficient scorer--6th man of the year written all over him. We need to outspend Indy for his services and Im willing to go to 7.5mm for 3 max out but 6.75 would be my goal.

Barton--upside young athletic player who has shown he can really play. Priority 1 with him if defense hes long athletic. Hes been a pro for 3-4 years and now just showing signs of being a real good NBA baller--this is all wishful thinking because at 3+mm DEnver will match--but Id try. The Knicks may not even think this route and I could understand why with Thansis and the other kid from Europe. Im going on NBA production--hes already been producing

Simple pla keep cohesion bring in a power post bri8nmg in a high quality combo guard who we can use as sixth man and an athletic defender--get the rest from rookie draft etc..

gunsnewing wrote:$9mil is not bad. Right around what Jimmy Butler will get. If Phil feels Lance would fit the system and get back to playing good 2-way ball I'd be all for it.

If we trade the. Calderon & THJ even better!!

not bad? Ifs fukkin suicide ...

Maybe if we got back 2 first rounders along with that.

I swear that people are losing their minds ... take on a 9 million guys who was one of the worst players in the league this year? Are you kidding me (not you specifically, guns)?????????

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:$9mil is not bad. Right around what Jimmy Butler will get. If Phil feels Lance would fit the system and get back to playing good 2-way ball I'd be all for it.

If we trade the. Calderon & THJ even better!!

not bad? Ifs fukkin suicide ...

Maybe if we got back 2 first rounders along with that.

I swear that people are losing their minds ... take on a 9 million guys who was one of the worst players in the league this year? Are you kidding me (not you specifically, guns)?????????

I don't know how if there are better realistic options then trading for a guy when he is down and hoping that he revives his career in your system.

I would persue Butler and Danny Green first but what if they are not available to us?
Are you ok with a Galloway/Svhed/THJ backcourt? I'm ok with Galloway and Svhed if we use all our resources on the front court but trading for Lance might really help

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:$9mil is not bad. Right around what Jimmy Butler will get. If Phil feels Lance would fit the system and get back to playing good 2-way ball I'd be all for it.

If we trade the. Calderon & THJ even better!!

not bad? Ifs fukkin suicide ...

Maybe if we got back 2 first rounders along with that.

I swear that people are losing their minds ... take on a 9 million guys who was one of the worst players in the league this year? Are you kidding me (not you specifically, guns)?????????

I don't know how if there are better realistic options then trading for a guy when he is down and hoping that he revives his career in your system.

I would persue Butler and Danny Green first but what if they are not available to us?
Are you ok with a Galloway/Svhed/THJ backcourt? I'm ok with Galloway and Svhed if we use all our resources on the front court but trading for Lance might really help

Bottom line in FA is that the Knicks are going to have to target guys who are A) super unhappy in their current situtation or B) want more money (meaning the Knicks will have to overpay). Lance fits into Group A. He's not a FA, but he could possibly be had in a trade. Maybe Charlotte is open to taking Calderon and Timmy - then the move is 100% cap neutral for us. Though I can't see anyone trading for Calderon after this abominable season.

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Briggs, you are a good posters but I disagree with most of your numbers and some of the players you want to obtain.

Alexy Shved is doing well in NY but this is not a Lin situation where his market is going to go up. A 2yr deal with the second yr optional would be okay. The knicks will retain his bird rights then can sign him to a larger contract in 2016 after he proves he will dedicate himself to the gym and his craft(shooting/decision making).

Lou Amundson is a 32 year old hustle player. You do not give out money from your cap for guys like him. He is a vet minimum guy. Also, next year will be his 10th year. The Vet min. for 10 yr vets will be just under $1.5m. So, why hurt yourself by giving an extra 300k?

Cole Aldrich can barely play 2 minutes with out turning fuchsia. He is another vet minimum player and is definately not worth $3m.

Bargs sucks.

Now you just wasted $7m for the center position when you could potentially spend $7m on Kostos Koufos.

Larkin unfortunately seems to short to play the pg in the triangle. He has problem with post entry passes.

Kanter no.

Will Barton is a now because you do not try to outbid Denver for that kind of player.

Everyone will have their own opinion. Ill start off with the players from our team--

Shevyd--Im not offering Alex 3 years 24mm like Houston did for LIn. Im offering him 4 years 18mm and willing to go up a bit--thats a fair contract and one he will get from another team. I want Alex back--there is no doubt. 4.5-5.0 seems fair and reasonable

Aldrich--Aldrich at 2mm per for 3 years is good business. While he might not be fancy hes a VERY solid player who should be able to continue to improve. Because he might not be highly valued--I can keep him--and that really saves me money--would I rather have Cole at 2 or others for 5-7 that do the same thing---no brainer. Cole is under rted and can be used in a quality way. I like cohesion and I want to keep him No doubt about it not a huge move but the right move.

Lou Admundson--again a no brainer I dont care if hes 42 if he can do what hes done for the Knicks this year 1.8mm per for 2 seems very fair and reasonable--hes earned it. Again cohesion character hustle production for low cost. No brainer not a even a thought.

Larkin is a give and take--Ill take iof I can t find a third PG thats all he is--I keep the cohesion of teammates if I cant find a rookie or other player I give him the two years the same reason--want to keep the same guys together--again give or take depending--not any big news here either way.

Bargs--its pretty simple 1 year take it or leave it 1 year 4mm--if he get get more money elsewhere good bye.

Free agents

Pretty simple plan

We need a low block player who can command double teams who can score 20 points and grab 10-12 rebounds and when not open find the open man. Kanter is that. The Only way to get him is by offering him a maximum deal and putting intense pressure on OKC financially to match. If I draft Jahill I still want Kanter. Ill just pair up each with Cole and Admundson.

Stuckey--Ive followed him a lot this year. I love him for this team. Combo PG/SG willing high quality ball mover rebounder much improved mechanics on his 3 ball explosive efficient scorer--6th man of the year written all over him. We need to outspend Indy for his services and Im willing to go to 7.5mm for 3 max out but 6.75 would be my goal.

Barton--upside young athletic player who has shown he can really play. Priority 1 with him if defense hes long athletic. Hes been a pro for 3-4 years and now just showing signs of being a real good NBA baller--this is all wishful thinking because at 3+mm DEnver will match--but Id try. The Knicks may not even think this route and I could understand why with Thansis and the other kid from Europe. Im going on NBA production--hes already been producing

Simple pla keep cohesion bring in a power post bri8nmg in a high quality combo guard who we can use as sixth man and an athletic defender--get the rest from rookie draft etc..

Bringing back Amundson and Cole would be smart but to overpay players and take up cap space when you do not need to is bad business. Lou and Cole were unwanted for a reason and Amundson was almost out the league. Cole barely plays and is unorthodox. He doesn't look good enough or score enough points to increase his market value. That's why they are vet min players.

You like Stuckey and you see a guy shooting 3s better than he has ever shot them in his career. This reminds me of Trevor Ariza. People were so enamored by his improved shooting they wanted to offer him decent money. Now look at him he has reverted back to his old self.

A player like Stuckey is they type of player that gets exception type money and not the full mle but BAE and mmle.

I think one thing that is being forgotten is that Phil could opt to go over the cap for next year's team. Both Bargs and Shved could be signed using their Bird Rights, so there's no reason not to go over the cap next year to retain them while still offering them enough money to choose to stay. It wouldn't really matter if he offers Bargs a one year deal for more than $4 Mil. He'd be signed after we have loaded up on key free agents anyway and the same could be done with Shved. This is a great option for Phil knowing he has that in his pocket. So he can go over the cap without having to worry about it for next season.

Also many of the back of the rotation role players could be offered short deals so that he retains cap flexibility for the future. There's a way to work the cap so that he has the flexibility he needs and we also know that the cap is due to increase by a lot soon anyway. Phil has a lot of good options to rebuild this team this summer.

yellowboy90 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:Briggs, you are a good posters but I disagree with most of your numbers and some of the players you want to obtain.

Alexy Shved is doing well in NY but this is not a Lin situation where his market is going to go up. A 2yr deal with the second yr optional would be okay. The knicks will retain his bird rights then can sign him to a larger contract in 2016 after he proves he will dedicate himself to the gym and his craft(shooting/decision making).

Lou Amundson is a 32 year old hustle player. You do not give out money from your cap for guys like him. He is a vet minimum guy. Also, next year will be his 10th year. The Vet min. for 10 yr vets will be just under $1.5m. So, why hurt yourself by giving an extra 300k?

Cole Aldrich can barely play 2 minutes with out turning fuchsia. He is another vet minimum player and is definately not worth $3m.

Bargs sucks.

Now you just wasted $7m for the center position when you could potentially spend $7m on Kostos Koufos.

Larkin unfortunately seems to short to play the pg in the triangle. He has problem with post entry passes.

Kanter no.

Will Barton is a now because you do not try to outbid Denver for that kind of player.

Everyone will have their own opinion. Ill start off with the players from our team--

Shevyd--Im not offering Alex 3 years 24mm like Houston did for LIn. Im offering him 4 years 18mm and willing to go up a bit--thats a fair contract and one he will get from another team. I want Alex back--there is no doubt. 4.5-5.0 seems fair and reasonable

Aldrich--Aldrich at 2mm per for 3 years is good business. While he might not be fancy hes a VERY solid player who should be able to continue to improve. Because he might not be highly valued--I can keep him--and that really saves me money--would I rather have Cole at 2 or others for 5-7 that do the same thing---no brainer. Cole is under rted and can be used in a quality way. I like cohesion and I want to keep him No doubt about it not a huge move but the right move.

Lou Admundson--again a no brainer I dont care if hes 42 if he can do what hes done for the Knicks this year 1.8mm per for 2 seems very fair and reasonable--hes earned it. Again cohesion character hustle production for low cost. No brainer not a even a thought.

Larkin is a give and take--Ill take iof I can t find a third PG thats all he is--I keep the cohesion of teammates if I cant find a rookie or other player I give him the two years the same reason--want to keep the same guys together--again give or take depending--not any big news here either way.

Bargs--its pretty simple 1 year take it or leave it 1 year 4mm--if he get get more money elsewhere good bye.

Free agents

Pretty simple plan

We need a low block player who can command double teams who can score 20 points and grab 10-12 rebounds and when not open find the open man. Kanter is that. The Only way to get him is by offering him a maximum deal and putting intense pressure on OKC financially to match. If I draft Jahill I still want Kanter. Ill just pair up each with Cole and Admundson.

Stuckey--Ive followed him a lot this year. I love him for this team. Combo PG/SG willing high quality ball mover rebounder much improved mechanics on his 3 ball explosive efficient scorer--6th man of the year written all over him. We need to outspend Indy for his services and Im willing to go to 7.5mm for 3 max out but 6.75 would be my goal.

Barton--upside young athletic player who has shown he can really play. Priority 1 with him if defense hes long athletic. Hes been a pro for 3-4 years and now just showing signs of being a real good NBA baller--this is all wishful thinking because at 3+mm DEnver will match--but Id try. The Knicks may not even think this route and I could understand why with Thansis and the other kid from Europe. Im going on NBA production--hes already been producing

Simple pla keep cohesion bring in a power post bri8nmg in a high quality combo guard who we can use as sixth man and an athletic defender--get the rest from rookie draft etc..

Bringing back Amundson and Cole would be smart but to overpay players and take up cap space when you do not need to is bad business. Lou and Cole were unwanted for a reason and Amundson was almost out the league. Cole barely plays and is unorthodox. He doesn't look good enough or score enough points to increase his market value. That's why they are vet min players.

You like Stuckey and you see a guy shooting 3s better than he has ever shot them in his career. This reminds me of Trevor Ariza. People were so enamored by his improved shooting they wanted to offer him decent money. Now look at him he has reverted back to his old self.

A player like Stuckey is they type of player that gets exception type money and not the full mle but BAE and mmle.

Trevor Ariza is a volume 3 point shooting wing player. Rodney Stuckey is a combo PG/SG who is a long term proven nBA player who simply is playing better with a better team. A guy who has obviously worked hard on his 3 pt mechanics. But Stuckey is not a volume 3 point shooter and you dont really want that from your 6th man--hes a do it all and hes explosive. Pass handle rebound shoot think powerful athletic build 6-4/6-5 225. IF and thats a bIG IF IF Hardaway can take the role of our 3 point shooting specialist--I like the pitbulls in Stuckey and Galloway with Alex as my do it all. Injury--Im covered. Stuckey is perfect for what we have in place.

Im not worried about overpaying anyone--when you tell me Im paying Cole too much at 2mm per--come on yellow--and lets be fair to Admundson--he earned his money and we should pay him. What the heck do you want--you need a balanced payroll.

Kanter is a near lock no brainer for me as well as Stuckey. I dont really see that many FA that I like. Since this Alex revelation and the fact that I think Cole is much better than weve given credit for--no need to go for the Anijcas Mo Williams or even Carroll's--no need to spend the money.