BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:there is absolutely nothing raw about towns... he is producing at a high level...

he certainly does what he's asked. I 100% agree. Whats his NBA skill set?

He can defend, pass extremely well, rebound and can actually shoot from anywhere. He also has a beautiful stroke at the free throw line.

Can OK4 shoot? Defend? Shoot a high FT?

Ok4 can bang down low but I am not too interested in another Al Jefferson.

Read the guys who cover OK4.. they dont have ANYONE to compare him to.

I have zero worries about OK4's ability to be a great defender in the post.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

OK4... 6'11 with a 7'6 wingpan at 270 lbs with a pure under the rim post game and you want him at PF. I simply dont get this notion that he should be a PF. Why? Because Duncan called himself a PF for all these years?

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

Carlos Boozer ... .665 but with a much better TS.

That is great company ... hopefully J-OK4 can be as good as Boozer.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

OK4... 6'11 with a 7'6 wingpan at 270 lbs with a pure under the rim post game and you want him at PF. I simply dont get this notion that he should be a PF. Why? Because Duncan called himself a PF for all these years?

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

Carlos Boozer ... .665 but with a much better TS.

That is great company ... hopefully J-OK4 can be as good as Boozer.

So even with Boozer we see the physical high FG% translate.

My point is the WORST your getting from OK4 is a 18/10 type who shoots 55% and up at the least. My worry is Town's downside is out of the league or Javal McGeee. Remember a guy called Marvin Williams?

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

OK4... 6'11 with a 7'6 wingpan at 270 lbs with a pure under the rim post game and you want him at PF. I simply dont get this notion that he should be a PF. Why? Because Duncan called himself a PF for all these years?

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

"Back in the day" OK4 might have been able play at PF. Have to think he would have a terrible time trying to guard stretch 4 type players these days, and on offense, like you say, you don't want him starting out far from the basket when he has such a great post-up game.

The real issue for me with OK4, if we get him, is that I believe Anthony will have to play PF at some point (very possibly next year), which is great for us on offense, but terrible on D, if you have OK4 at 5 and Anthony at 4, and OK4 is does not prove to be an acceptable defender.

Towns is generally thought of as the guy who you are choosing based on potential, but in OK4's case, you are also taking him believing that he has the potential to be an NBA quality defender, and I have not seen that kind of ability in the games I've seen him play.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

OK4... 6'11 with a 7'6 wingpan at 270 lbs with a pure under the rim post game and you want him at PF. I simply dont get this notion that he should be a PF. Why? Because Duncan called himself a PF for all these years?

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

Lamarcus Aldridge is 6-1 260 with a 7-4 wingspan and hes a 4. Blake Friffin is 6-10 255 with a 40 inch verticla and hes a 4. Okafor is a 4 man. Its how he plays--hes a 4.

Yup. Pau Gasol, too.

crzymdups wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I've come to think of it like this.

IF Duke played PLumlee at C Okafor at 4--there would be zero debate who the number #1 pick is. I realized watching last game finally---Duke simply plays small when they could stand to play big. They put a LOT on a freshmen to carry the team both ways and hes not equipped to do it by himself in the middle where he ash some flaw. But if they started the season with Plumlee in the middle--no one would say boo about his D and he'd have the same numbers. It just took me time to realize--and Im not stepping on coach KIs shoes but he really should start Plumlee at C and play a traditional line up. They could never match Kentucky without the double big. They could just rotate Plumlee Okafor and Jefferson. Playing at 6-10 with a 6-6 PF who should be a 3--thats small and Okafor is a 4 not a 5

OK4... 6'11 with a 7'6 wingpan at 270 lbs with a pure under the rim post game and you want him at PF. I simply dont get this notion that he should be a PF. Why? Because Duncan called himself a PF for all these years?

I dont want OK4 guarding 4s and on offense I dont want him anway further than 8 feet from the basket where he's shooting just under 70%. OK4's FG% is higher than anything I can remember. I started poking around for other NCAA bigs:
OK4 .669
Sgaq .628 (best - sophmore)
Hakeem .675 (best - JR season)
Zo .603 (best - FR season)

I gave up after that... at 19 OK4 is poised to be one of the best scoring bigs in the game. Ever

Lamarcus Aldridge is 6-1 260 with a 7-4 wingspan and hes a 4. Blake Friffin is 6-10 255 with a 40 inch verticla and hes a 4. Okafor is a 4 man. Its how he plays--hes a 4.

Yup. Pau Gasol, too.

Again.. I dont want OK4 more than a booger flick away from the paint.

He's got a center's game and body. Agree to disagree I suppose

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Towns, Russell and OK4 are definitely the top three prospects. I have a hard time believing OK4 won't go first overall.

Though I still think Russell will be the best player in this draft. The rules in the NBA are geared toward making guys with his size and skill set stars these days (see Steph Curry and Russell Westbrook, etc)

not anything at all like russell westbrook.

Yea Mudiay can be more like Wall/Westrook

Russell to me is a mix of Curry/Harden/H20

Nbadraft.net compares him to Brandon Roy. I disagree, I think he's more of a mix of those 3. Roy was a great shooter but H20 was capable of taking it to the hole and posting up. Obviously Russell was a better passer than H20. More like Curry & Harden there

gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

crzymdups wrote:Towns, Russell and OK4 are definitely the top three prospects. I have a hard time believing OK4 won't go first overall.

Though I still think Russell will be the best player in this draft. The rules in the NBA are geared toward making guys with his size and skill set stars these days (see Steph Curry and Russell Westbrook, etc)

not anything at all like russell westbrook.

Yea Mudiay can be more like Wall/Westrook

Russell to me is a mix of Curry/Harden/H20

Nbadraft.net compares him to Brandon Roy. I think he's more of a mix of those 3. Roy was a great shooter but H20 was capable of taking it to the hole and posting up

Yeah, I could see Roy or Harden.

My point was that bigger guards who facilitate the offense are enjoying a Rennaissance in the league right now. I think more than it being a case of a ton of talent - though there are some superstars - I think it's more a case of the rules catering to that type of play right now.

Fisher is letting Shved and Bargnani run a ton of pick and roll these days.

Imagine a pick and roll with D'Angelo Russell and Greg Monroe or Melo or something.

crzymdups wrote:

fishmike wrote:how about Marc...? Aldridge is a jumper shooter. Blake is smaller and faster than OK4... Blake measured 6'9 with a 7 foot wingspan at the combine. OK4 6'11 with a 7'5 wspan.

Again.. I dont want OK4 more than a booger flick away from the paint.

He's got a center's game and body. Agree to disagree I suppose

Triangle has a high post position and a low post position. I'm sure Phil would play him very much like a traditional center if given the opportunity.

Though in the games I've watched OK4 he has reminded me a lot more of Pau Gasol than Marc Gasol. Not based on size, based on the way he plays and moves. Pau Gasol did very very well in the triangle. Didn't he shoot like 60% his first half season in LA? (looked it up, Pau shot .589 his first half season in LA)

Pau can shoot from the outside with pretty good range.