nyk4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:Knicks .... 13-52
Warriors .. 52-13

Nice symmetry to that, no?
I'm trying to remember, weren't we supposed to have the coach that has 52 wins?

Swap rosters- do you honestly think the records remain the same?

I think the swapping Kerr for Fisher would probably be a +- of 10.

based on what? what about kerr's coaching ability has you get a number of 10?

the eye test for coaches. I am very good at this eye test.

Kerr was an extremely efficient and smart player, a very intuitive announcer, a smart GM, and seems to have an engaging personality.

What does Fisher have again aside from KD really liking him?

If he gets KD here then I am offishally a fisher lover.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:Knicks .... 13-52
Warriors .. 52-13

Nice symmetry to that, no?
I'm trying to remember, weren't we supposed to have the coach that has 52 wins?

Swap rosters- do you honestly think the records remain the same?

I think the swapping Kerr for Fisher would probably be a +- of 10.

So we'd win 22 games and not be on route for a top pick- gee, I sure wish that had happened!

well if the plan was to lose the most games then we hired the right coach.

I wish we'd won 22 games, maybe 30- that would have been great

hopefully we can win 12 games again next year so that we can have a top pick again ... oh wait

You're right a top pick and free agent signings and a healthy Melo won't make any difference, we should just fold the franchise!

that, a real coach, and throwing the triangle in 1990's trash should do the trick.

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:Knicks .... 13-52
Warriors .. 52-13

Nice symmetry to that, no?
I'm trying to remember, weren't we supposed to have the coach that has 52 wins?

Swap rosters- do you honestly think the records remain the same?

I think the swapping Kerr for Fisher would probably be a +- of 10.

based on what? what about kerr's coaching ability has you get a number of 10?

the eye test for coaches. I am very good at this eye test.

Kerr was an extremely efficient and smart player, a very intuitive announcer, a smart GM, and seems to have an engaging personality.

What does Fisher have again aside from KD really liking him?

If he gets KD here then I am offishally a fisher lover.

not to sound like an *******, but none of that really has to do with kerr's coaching ability. if you wanna say that you think kerr is a better coach just because that's what you think, then that's fine, i can't really argue you about it, because it's just how you feel. but it's not based on anything. i do agree that he comes across as engaging and a very good announcer. definitely agree there.

one thing to dispute though - kerr was an average gm at best. his drafts were pretty meh (robin lopez and goran dragic were good picks but his other 1st rounders are all pretty much out of the league)and his trades were pretty abysmal. that shaq trade was awful and his dumping of kurt thomas and two unprotected picks (one of which ended up being ibaka) was even worse. i'd say his gm tenure was just kinda 50/50.

nyk4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:Knicks .... 13-52
Warriors .. 52-13

Nice symmetry to that, no?
I'm trying to remember, weren't we supposed to have the coach that has 52 wins?

Swap rosters- do you honestly think the records remain the same?

I think the swapping Kerr for Fisher would probably be a +- of 10.

based on what? what about kerr's coaching ability has you get a number of 10?

the eye test for coaches. I am very good at this eye test.

Kerr was an extremely efficient and smart player, a very intuitive announcer, a smart GM, and seems to have an engaging personality.

What does Fisher have again aside from KD really liking him?

If he gets KD here then I am offishally a fisher lover.

not to sound like an *******, but none of that really has to do with kerr's coaching ability. if you wanna say that you think kerr is a better coach just because that's what you think, then that's fine, i can't really argue you about it, because it's just how you feel. but it's not based on anything. i do agree that he comes across as engaging and a very good announcer. definitely agree there.

one thing to dispute though - kerr was an average gm at best. his drafts were pretty meh (robin lopez and goran dragic were good picks but his other 1st rounders are all pretty much out of the league)and his trades were pretty abysmal. that shaq trade was awful and his dumping of kurt thomas and two unprotected picks (one of which ended up being ibaka) was even worse. i'd say his gm tenure was just kinda 50/50.

fair enough about his GMing. He was also smart enough to let Amare walk (though that did not take a genius).

He was a super smart player that earned everything through hard work and determination.

Fisher IMHO, was not that good or smart of a player. His shot selection was often terrible and head scratching.

nyk4ever wrote:reinman - while i am not interested in firing fisher, i would do so in a heartbeat, if fred hoiberg was available. totally agree with you about him, he's a hell of a coach.

and so far from old school ... would have been my #1 choice but damn dude don't know da triangle

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:Knicks .... 13-52
Warriors .. 52-13

Nice symmetry to that, no?
I'm trying to remember, weren't we supposed to have the coach that has 52 wins?

Swap rosters- do you honestly think the records remain the same?

I think the swapping Kerr for Fisher would probably be a +- of 10.

So we'd win 22 games and not be on route for a top pick- gee, I sure wish that had happened!

well if the plan was to lose the most games then we hired the right coach.

I wish we'd won 22 games, maybe 30- that would have been great

hopefully we can win 12 games again next year so that we can have a top pick again ... oh wait

You're right a top pick and free agent signings and a healthy Melo won't make any difference, we should just fold the franchise!

that, a real coach, and throwing the triangle in 1990's trash should do the trick.

Just out of interest, what players would you aim to sign or draft (unfortunately we ain't trading Melo), and who would you like as coach (it's not a trick question)

Coach: Fred Hoiberg

I would love to sign:

Marc Gasol
Robin Lopez
Wes Mathews (pre injury though I would still consider him at a steep discount)
Alex Ajinca (if the price is right/cheap)
Danny Green
Jimmy Butler
K Leonard
Cory Josephs
Draymond Green (I am jumping in on this one because he seems to have an intangible it factor)
Demare Carol
Paul Milsap
Jonas Jerebko
Bismack Biyombo (so 1969 can stop posting about him)
cory brewer
patrick beverly
Lavoy Allen
Ed Davis
Jeremy Lin
Kosta Koufas
Marco Belinelli

See, despite our different approaches, we both have pretty much the same free agency wish list- a shame most of them are unrealistic though! The ones in bold are the ones I think will be available- I'm surprised you didn't put Khris Middleton in there- his metrics are great!

ok ... add Middleton to that. His metrics are good not great.

but it is interesting that you like advanced metric guys. Is that all based on your eye test? Or are you cheating and glancing at the stats? Or are you just taking input from posters who are looking for advanced stat guys?

It used to be that guys would just throw out names. Now even briggs will check the advanced stats before he does that. Posters don't want to be mocked by the advanced stats posters.

See? Advanced Stats has changed this site if we / you like it or not.

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

FireWoodson wrote:Knicks .... 13-52
Warriors .. 52-13

Nice symmetry to that, no?
I'm trying to remember, weren't we supposed to have the coach that has 52 wins?

Swap rosters- do you honestly think the records remain the same?

I think the swapping Kerr for Fisher would probably be a +- of 10.

So we'd win 22 games and not be on route for a top pick- gee, I sure wish that had happened!

well if the plan was to lose the most games then we hired the right coach.

I wish we'd won 22 games, maybe 30- that would have been great

hopefully we can win 12 games again next year so that we can have a top pick again ... oh wait

You're right a top pick and free agent signings and a healthy Melo won't make any difference, we should just fold the franchise!

that, a real coach, and throwing the triangle in 1990's trash should do the trick.

Just out of interest, what players would you aim to sign or draft (unfortunately we ain't trading Melo), and who would you like as coach (it's not a trick question)

Coach: Fred Hoiberg

I would love to sign:

Marc Gasol
Robin Lopez
Wes Mathews (pre injury though I would still consider him at a steep discount)
Alex Ajinca (if the price is right/cheap)
Danny Green
Jimmy Butler
K Leonard
Cory Josephs
Draymond Green (I am jumping in on this one because he seems to have an intangible it factor)
Demare Carol
Paul Milsap
Jonas Jerebko
Bismack Biyombo (so 1969 can stop posting about him)
cory brewer
patrick beverly
Lavoy Allen
Ed Davis
Jeremy Lin
Kosta Koufas
Marco Belinelli

See, despite our different approaches, we both have pretty much the same free agency wish list- a shame most of them are unrealistic though! The ones in bold are the ones I think will be available- I'm surprised you didn't put Khris Middleton in there- his metrics are great!

ok ... add Middleton to that. His metrics are good not great.

but it is interesting that you like advanced metric guys. Is that all based on your eye test? Or are you cheating and glancing at the stats? Or are you just taking input from posters who are looking for advanced stat guys?

It used to be that guys would just throw out names. Now even briggs will check the advanced stats before he does that. Posters don't want to be mocked by the advanced stats posters.

See? Advanced Stats has changed this site if we / you like it or not.

It's probably sheer fluke I opted for two way players from winning systems, good character, unselfish guys who care about their teams- basically the opposite of what we've had the last 10 years. Guys like Milsap I've always noticed that usually when they play well, their team wins, where as other guys like Monroe can put up monster stats that seem to have no bearing on the outcome of the game.

its not a fluke (even though you may have backed into it). Advanced stat guys contribute more to winning. mind sets are changing regardless of whether we acknowledge it or not.

As far as defenders and defense, advanced metrics are really weak here and we still need to rely mostly on the eye test.