gunsnewing wrote:

mreinman wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I think Shved will go down as the best player to ever dawn the KNICK uniform so yea I think him and Mudiay would be awesome

You're right- I look on him as new version of Magic Johnson.

who? Who are you comparing to Magic? Shved or Mudiay?

I think Shved is more Oscar. Mudiay is more Jordan

But I rather have Towns - Kareem jabbar

How about Ok4-Duncan and Clyde Russell?

Mudiay is in the athletic class of Russell Westbrook, John Wall and K.Irving types. Explosive, with handle and court vision. Mudiay and Towns are both high risk high reward picks....But they both have the highest ceiling and the reward side is too intriguing to pass on. I would hate to pass on one of these guys and just watch them explode in the NBA. But almost all 4 of the top picks will be legit NBA stars, in their own right.

You really can't go wrong with either one....It's just a personal preference for me. To me, you use the draft to find that cornerstone franchise superstar. So you rate the high ceiling players higher than everybody else. Remember Kobe was a very high risk reward pick coming out of high school, same with Garnet and all the other guys with limited college experience. Kyrie Irving was a high risk high reward pick....he was injured the majority of his freshmen year at Duke. But thats what you do in the first round....You pick the guys with the high ceiling and hope for the best....Nobody knows at this early age. But Mudiay and Russell has that it factor....But which one fits the triangle is one question....And which one has a higher ceiling that fits any system, in case Phil leaves, is the next question.

It's close....Russell and OK4 have produced more right now.....I still like Mudiay and Towns NBA star potential.

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:OK....just watched one of Russells big game, where he had like 32 something...And I think he will have a long career...He knows how to play without leaving the ground, and he's savy enough to navigate anywhere on the court...High Basketball IQ. I think Russell is more like Bradley Beal, a solid 2 guard who can shoot, dribble drive and just a solid player who can play the 1 or 2..... He's a low risk pick. You get what you see.

Mudiay is in the athletic class of Russell Westbrook, John Wall and K.Irving types. Explosive, with handle and court vision. Mudiay and Towns are both high risk high reward picks....But they both have the highest ceiling and the reward side is too intriguing to pass on. I would hate to pass on one of these guys and just watch them explode in the NBA. But almost all 4 of the top picks will be legit NBA stars, in their own right.

You really can't go wrong with either one....It's just a personal preference for me. To me, you use the draft to find that cornerstone franchise superstar. So you rate the high ceiling players higher than everybody else. Remember Kobe was a very high risk reward pick coming out of high school, same with Garnet and all the other guys with limited college experience. Kyrie Irving was a high risk high reward pick....he was injured the majority of his freshmen year at Duke. But thats what you do in the first round....You pick the guys with the high ceiling and hope for the best....Nobody knows at this early age. But Mudiay and Russell has that it factor....But which one fits the triangle is one question....And which one has a higher ceiling that fits any system, in case Phil leaves, is the next question.

It's close....Russell and OK4 have produced more right now.....I still like Mudiay and Towns NBA star potential.

big problem that Mudiay is playing in china where nobody can really watch his games. He is a huge risk, not so much with KAT ... he is doing it on the big stage and can do so much more but is letting things come to him.

the BB comparison is an interesting one though I actually think that Russell will be the better player.

Whats interesting is the term "better"

It's like comparing Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis....

I think both players will impact the NBA in their own right.

And if thats true, then whoever is better doesn't really matter if both turn out to be All Stars. Russell probably fits the triangle better. But I'm losing faith in this system, and think we need a floor general who can push the ball more, especially when this triangle falls flat. I don't see Russell as that type. Thats my only problem. But both will be stars. We are really splitting hairs between all 4 of these guys. Thats why I have to think, who can we build around in this system, is a better question. Phil is on the clock and he knows this. That clock will factor into his decision.

nixluva wrote:

blkexec wrote:

mreinman wrote:

blkexec wrote:OK....just watched one of Russells big game, where he had like 32 something...And I think he will have a long career...He knows how to play without leaving the ground, and he's savy enough to navigate anywhere on the court...High Basketball IQ. I think Russell is more like Bradley Beal, a solid 2 guard who can shoot, dribble drive and just a solid player who can play the 1 or 2..... He's a low risk pick. You get what you see.

Mudiay is in the athletic class of Russell Westbrook, John Wall and K.Irving types. Explosive, with handle and court vision. Mudiay and Towns are both high risk high reward picks....But they both have the highest ceiling and the reward side is too intriguing to pass on. I would hate to pass on one of these guys and just watch them explode in the NBA. But almost all 4 of the top picks will be legit NBA stars, in their own right.

You really can't go wrong with either one....It's just a personal preference for me. To me, you use the draft to find that cornerstone franchise superstar. So you rate the high ceiling players higher than everybody else. Remember Kobe was a very high risk reward pick coming out of high school, same with Garnet and all the other guys with limited college experience. Kyrie Irving was a high risk high reward pick....he was injured the majority of his freshmen year at Duke. But thats what you do in the first round....You pick the guys with the high ceiling and hope for the best....Nobody knows at this early age. But Mudiay and Russell has that it factor....But which one fits the triangle is one question....And which one has a higher ceiling that fits any system, in case Phil leaves, is the next question.

It's close....Russell and OK4 have produced more right now.....I still like Mudiay and Towns NBA star potential.

big problem that Mudiay is playing in china where nobody can really watch his games. He is a huge risk, not so much with KAT ... he is doing it on the big stage and can do so much more but is letting things come to him.

the BB comparison is an interesting one though I actually think that Russell will be the better player.

Whats interesting is the term "better"

It's like comparing Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis....

I think both players will impact the NBA in their own right.

And if thats true, then whoever is better doesn't really matter if both turn out to be All Stars. Russell probably fits the triangle better. But I'm losing faith in this system, and think we need a floor general who can push the ball more, especially when this triangle falls flat. I don't see Russell as that type. Thats my only problem. But both will be stars. We are really splitting hairs between all 4 of these guys. Thats why I have to think, who can we build around in this system, is a better question. Phil is on the clock and he knows this. That clock will factor into his decision.

It's funny when I read people talking about the Triangle and mentioning pushing the ball. There's literally NOTHING about the Triangle that stops a team from running except the personnel to do it. One of the good things that Shved has been doing is getting the rebound and pushing the ball to look for early offense. Phil will tell you this is the FIRST part of the Triangle that has to happen. It's only if you can't get anything early that you're supposed to go into the Triangle half court set. Once again there's nothing stop you from running or shooting 3's. It's all about the personnel.

Actually, there is something thats stopping us.....It's called talent and IQ. Some have the talent, but lacks the basketball IQ, and usually think too much, instead of using intincts. The other issue is pure talent. Russell is a top college prospect, but he's not a transistion guard like Mudiay. So it's a combination of personel and talent. It will be interesting to see how Phil chooses to build this team. Is he a Russell or OK4 guy who are more fundamental.....Or a Towns / Mudiay guy, who are more explosive.

Who was responsible for picking Jordan and Kobe? Did Phil pick these guys? I think Jordan was already there, but if he wasn't, would Phil have chosen Jordan in that draft? I'm not sure about Phil Jackson right now....as far as talent evaluation! If he hand picked Kobe, who did he pass on? Phils history might give us geeks some insight to his pick selection.

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:Can't see the video on my phone for some reason but I hear he's been playing great. This is a hell of a year to tank. If towns & ok4 are off the board and we took Mudiay with Shved I would be pretty damn happy. He has the tools to be not good but great

i am really liking shved, but let's not go TOO crazy. to assume he's now a starter might be jumping the gun a bit. he's shown he can definitely playy though.

If you could put Shved and Mudiay in the back court look out. Mudiay is the real deal the speed with his size makes him my number two overall pick. I like Towns but to me he is a 3-4 year project center. Russell is nice player but lacks athleticism and more a half court player he isn't a fast break player.

Couldn't disagree more with this statement...With his passing ability and the way he sees the floor, he'd be ideal to lead the fast break similar to Magic...He'd be a tremendous open court player....

I haven't seen him lead a full on fast break coast to coast. Nothing running full speed he is a damn good shooter I give him that he has nice vision but there is nothing that screams speed and explosion in his game.

Nothing explosive about Chris Paul's game either. You need speed and explosion to finish on the fastbreak, not to start the fastbreak....He has the vision and IQ to make the right pass on the break and or to pass it ahead (think North Carolina break)....His game screams that he would be outstanding in the open court...