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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/12/2015 2:04 PM
OK I finally found a Melo Video where he's doing the Dirk Fadeaway! This is the future for him IMO.
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holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
3/12/2015 2:05 PM
Splat wrote:holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September... Players who drop 62 in a game and win scoring titles don't get paid 6M per.. |
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holfresh
Posts: 38679 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 1/14/2006 Member: #1081 |
3/12/2015 2:09 PM
BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September... There are a lot of factors that go into it..Melo's game isn't about athleticism...We are seeing LeBron having to adjust his game because he is beginning to lose his explosiveness...Melo's game is more or less like Paul Pierce's game who was an effective player up to age 35...But he didn't have any knee injury I don't think... |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
3/12/2015 2:11 PM
holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September... agree with this. Barring future injuries, if Melo can become more of a facilitator and less of a chucker then he can play at a high level for a number of years. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
3/12/2015 2:15 PM
mreinman wrote:yea... not impressed with how the org handled his playing before the injury. The coaching staff etc has some work to do here and so does Melo. I really want the Melo story to have a happy ending whether it ends with him here or not. Its been a rough year. Could really use a bone hereholfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September... "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
3/12/2015 2:20 PM
Splat wrote:Melo would make a good 6th man. Less minutes and a big fat green light to shoot when he's in the game. Clyde suggested this on the Kay show the other day. It would be ridiculous to pay your 6th man $24mil per to be the 6th man but it would be best for the team |
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mreinman
Posts: 37827 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/14/2010 Member: #3189 |
3/12/2015 2:21 PM
fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:yea... not impressed with how the org handled his playing before the injury. The coaching staff etc has some work to do here and so does Melo. I really want the Melo story to have a happy ending whether it ends with him here or not. Its been a rough year. Could really use a bone hereholfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September... yup. Its one of the biggest failures of phil in my eyes (so far). He has not made Melo a better player at all and I really thought he would. I will certainly keep an open mind in regards to this next year (like the sucker I am) and hope that we see the improvement that we all know is possible. so here is what phil is thinking ....
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FistOfOakley
Posts: 21079 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 2/18/2010 Member: #3075 |
3/12/2015 2:32 PM
we will see how melo will respond next year... there's really no way of knowing how much maintenance he will need although playing him 36-40 minutes like he was right up until the surgery was ridiculously stupid... that can't happen again...
age alone is a factor that we won't see melo back to his old self... the knee injury will mean he will be more perimeter oriented... this isn't a new thing... all players become more perimeter as they get older... the greats usually adjust by turning their jumpers into lethal weapons and picking their spots to get into the paint... this would have been true with or without the surgery.... |
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
3/12/2015 2:44 PM
mreinman wrote:fishmike wrote:mreinman wrote:yea... not impressed with how the org handled his playing before the injury. The coaching staff etc has some work to do here and so does Melo. I really want the Melo story to have a happy ending whether it ends with him here or not. Its been a rough year. Could really use a bone hereholfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:BRIGGS wrote:holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September... Same. Fingers crossed. Hopefully by dialing it back he can preserve his knees |
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/12/2015 2:58 PM
IMO it's not just the minutes but the way he actually plays that will make the biggest difference. He has to realize that a change is needed. He can't just go out there and keep pounding his knees when there are much easier ways to score if you just put our work in and perfect that style of play. this is why I keep pointing to the fact he's added the Dirk Fadeaway and I think he needs other changes to his game which will further limit his need to jump as hard as he has most of his career. It's not really necessary if you know how to get your shot off without having to jump thru the roof on every jumper. It's better to learn how to create space and get your shot off.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
3/12/2015 7:01 PM
TripleThreat wrote:yellowboy90 wrote:Jerry Rice when he tore his ACL and mcl in the first game of the season then came back in week 14 or 15. He then proceeded to crack his patella that season. However, the following season he had another 1000 yd season. Most pro athletes are genetic freaks anyway. Most people would have to work twice as hard and still never be as athletic. You look at Melo and he's probably in better shape than it may often look. I can't say what his conditioning level has been from year to year, but I would guess that it's been pretty high most of his career. He's been dealing with this Jumper's Knee problem in the last couple of years and finally had to get surgery on it. Perhaps it wasn't a lack of desire but just the result of the knee condition that impacted his training. Not only that but GREAT athletes in the best condition get Jumper's Knee. Mostly Volleyball players. It's not about not being in shape. |
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
3/12/2015 11:44 PM
nixluva wrote:I see no reason Melo can't still be effective. He was playing on a damaged knee and still putting up numbers. He should feel better for a while and if they manage his minutes better, which they should anyway, he should be able to give the team good minutes. It's basically "Jumpers Knee" and so if he stops jumping so violently he should be able to prolong his career. IMO he doesn't need to jump so high on his jumpers. He's shown that with his Dirk style shot. this is a dishonest post. you show dirk in highlights doing it against all manner of opposition but then you show just one single game of melo having one apparently great game. who of these two has the more credible ouvre? knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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dk7th
Posts: 30006 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 5/14/2012 Member: #4228 USA |
3/12/2015 11:53 PM
holfresh wrote:Splat wrote:holfresh wrote:JR Smith played with the same injury during the playoffs as Melo was playing with..JR had a torn meniscus as well...JR said he visited Melo it was the same injury and he looks fine...JR will be 30 in September... that's a problem when that does not translate to winning titles. my guess is that good players relish playing against carmelo. it's so easy to disrupt him in a seven game series because he is so relied-upon yet also so predictable. it's that predictability that makes him basically a 6th man on a title-contending team. let him dominate second-rate players or create some kind of rotation disturbance for the other team. that seems like the mostly likely path if things pan out for him. no shame in that, though he will likely be overpaid if it happens within the time of his contract. knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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CrushAlot
Posts: 59764 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/25/2003 Member: #452 USA |
3/12/2015 11:54 PM
Bernard King. He wasn't the same but he was still a very good player.
I'm tired,I'm tired, I'm so tired right now......Kristaps Porzingis 1/3/18
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RonRon
Posts: 25531 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 5/22/2002 Member: #246 |
3/13/2015 12:44 PM
Grant Hill and his 7 years of consective injuries/surgies/rehab, till he joined the Sun's and Nash/STAT/Marion and his DEFENSE was very good, though their games are completely different when comparing Grant Hill to CA, probably biggest difference is their EGO and all round skills of Grant Hill that enabled him to be a facilitator, team defender/1v1 defender that defend 2-3 positions, but CA has the way better SHOT *if he is willing to take less shots and better shot selection*
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