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Id give up my 2018 #1 with only top 3 restrtiction to get Kaminsky
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Hector
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3/9/2015  5:42 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
Hector wrote:The 2nd coming of Frank Brickowski - without the post up game.

LOL thats not a bad comparison. Frank never played enough minutes but he was a really good player. Big difference is that Kaminsky is a 7 footer(I think Fran was shorter) and a 3 point marksman in a league that is dominated by that shot. While Frank at times looks somewhat weak in the post--he has all the moves. He strengthens his body with a professional trainer and I think hes going to be a great player in the modern NBA. I'm sure a lot of people thought that Vucevic would be a 20-12 player. Frank will be a 20-8-4 player.

The game was a lot different then - Brick & Larry Krystowiak - those guys went to the hoop.

He'll be 15 ppg, 7-8 rebs & his best years will be slightly better than that.

I liked the Brick - he was tough. Loved mixing it up with Rodman. Kaminsky can do worse than have his career.

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3/9/2015  6:17 PM
Hector wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
Hector wrote:The 2nd coming of Frank Brickowski - without the post up game.

LOL thats not a bad comparison. Frank never played enough minutes but he was a really good player. Big difference is that Kaminsky is a 7 footer(I think Fran was shorter) and a 3 point marksman in a league that is dominated by that shot. While Frank at times looks somewhat weak in the post--he has all the moves. He strengthens his body with a professional trainer and I think hes going to be a great player in the modern NBA. I'm sure a lot of people thought that Vucevic would be a 20-12 player. Frank will be a 20-8-4 player.

The game was a lot different then - Brick & Larry Krystowiak - those guys went to the hoop.

He'll be 15 ppg, 7-8 rebs & his best years will be slightly better than that.

I liked the Brick - he was tough. Loved mixing it up with Rodman. Kaminsky can do worse than have his career.

I think we need to let Frank get up to 250 this summer build some explosion with pro trainers and see just what all of those skills will do in the NBA. hes a really good ballhandler. I expect a team will use him in conjunction with another quality big where he is able to move a shotblocker out of the post opening up the game for smaller quicker Fs and G's. He's an assertive player--he's quick in his decision and precision. The NBA will exploit athleticism or lack there of but being 7 feet is also an equalizer--especially with all of those skills.

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3/9/2015  8:03 PM
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3/9/2015  8:12 PM
i don't think kaminsky is the guy to be trading future firsts for.... it's very hard to fit a center/pf who is iffy on the defensive end who also has questions on how his offense projects at the next level..

the guy that is probably being vastly underrated right now is bobby portis.. currently projected mid lotto... he would probably be worth it since he projects to be a very good starter at the very least and has an unquestioned nba position...

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3/9/2015  8:16 PM
I wouldn't at all. We don't know where we would be by then. Keep the pick.
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3/10/2015  2:54 AM
Frank would be a great knick and I 'd take him over okafor and towns, regardless of draft position. On a typical iso pick and roll team, kaminsky would fade into the background somewhat and his value would not be realized. But he's a unique player that can do a lot of things in a fluid and somewhat cerebral system like the triangle. Okafor will never defend or rebound his position well enough for a top pick, but my biggest issue is that he's going to stop the flow on a team like the knicks. Melo already draws the double teams, we need people to knock down shots, provide spacing and keep the ball moving. That's Frank. Towns is a better fit than okafor but I don't see his offense coming around for a couple of seasons. And even then, he will never have the footwork and counters that Kaminsky has right now. Once in an NBA conditioning program, you can expect frank's strength and fitness to improve so he won't be such a D liabilty. If the knicks need a guy to protect the rim and board for 15-20 mins, it's easier to find that skill set in FA than what frank brings to the table. I also like his heart. Like Mase, he's a guy who feels a little disrespected and he 's out to prove that he belongs. Their is no sense of entitlement there, and I can see NY fans embracing him.

Ideally, we could bag frank and other assets in this draft by trading down. You can definitely see scenarios that the knicks could pull it off, but we tend to telegraph our moves... so its more likely Phil will have to go with his gut and draft him straight up. It will take huge balls to do it that way. WTF, he has 10 rings already, is a "self-actualized" zen master and if there is one GM in the universe who would pull that trigger , it's him.

Moving on to the off-season

Add another piece in FA like green, milsap , carroll, or harris. Two-way team players. Matthews injury might have just f'ed up our best case scenario.
Add a cheaper defensive big as mentioned above.
Keep Shved ( he's great in this system), and draft an upgrade over larkin who can D and penetrate to complement galloway's shooting. (Buy a pick if you have to, decent options in the 2nd round )

Don't overpay on junk in free agency, regardless of the pressure, and keep options alive for 2016 Free agency.

And if someone comes calling about Melo, listen carefully.

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3/10/2015  8:09 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Id give up my 2018 #1 with only top 3 restrtiction to get Kaminsky


The 2018 NBA Draft is a LONG LONG LONG WAY OFF.

There's a decent chance NBA Draft lottery reform will happen by then, and the Knicks could be sacrificing, with different odds in place, an extremely high pick.

Let's take a ride in the UK Hot Tub Time Machine shall we?

Instead of going four years into the future, since we can't project into the future and read it quite like Mr Briggs can, let's go four years into the past, and take a look at a five year sample of what a Kaminsky might cost the Knicks. The last Knicks pick lost was something like the 12th overall. So let's look from 4 to 12, and see what a five year span will get us.

In the 2010 draft, you could be getting a star in Kaminsky, though the odds are against it, and only be giving up a Epke Udoh.

You could also be giving up DeMarcus Cousins, Gordon Hayward, Paul George and Greg Monroe.

In the 2009 draft, that player sacrificed might be a Jonny Flynn (Ugh) Or it could be a Stephen Curry, Tyreke Evans or DeMar DeRozan

In the 2008 draft, you might just save yourself from Joe Alexander. But you could also pass on a Russell Westbrook, a Kevin Love or a Brook Lopez

In the 2007 draft, a Kaminsky type would seem super sexy compared to an Acie Law, but what about Mike Conley, Joachim Noah, Thad Young and Spencer Hawes?

In the 2006 draft, in a ugly top of the draft, saving yourself from Patrick O Bryant would be swell indeed, but what about Rudy Gay and JJ Redick?

Trading future picks has gotten the Knicks where in the past and currently?

And how did that strategy work out?

You could, in theory, be getting the superior player in Kaminsky sooner than anyone who you could draft in 2018. It's entirely possible ( though you'll never see Briggs openly say anyone he wants might not pan out, he won't extend that same courtesy ) But IS IT LIKELY?

There are people out there who gamble for a living. Looking for the big score. Always looking for the home run swing.

Then there are the people who try to build their asset base slowly and sometimes painfully, over time, in a more stable manner.

Which group tends to succeed more?

Briggs isn't asking the Knicks to just gamble some chips on the table, he's asking them to DOUBLE DOWN on the type of strategy that has brought them to this current hell in the first place. There's a big difference between reckless and aggressive. What Briggs sees as an aggressive strategy IMHO is just a thinly veiled disguise for doubling down on being reckless.

If a team felt a player was ranked much higher value -wise than he potentially falls to and you are able to use a future pick to acquire such player--how is that a gamble? Youre using the 2018 pick to make an additional pick in 2015 for a player the franchise might need and value very high. High enough that it makes a lot of sense to expedite the process. What exactly is the gamble?

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3/10/2015  11:47 AM
Thats the way I would do it if I could


6-11 260 PF/C Karl Towns
7-0 245 C/PF Frank Kaminsky
6-4 200 PG Olivier Hanlan


All long players with very high IQ and multi diverse skills. I think we can find athletic SF in the D league trade FAgency but to garner 2 skilled 7 footers and a very high IQ 6-4 drastically under rated PG in Hanlan who is probably not far from any player in the draft from the G position in terms of talent--that would be the coup.

It would be

draft pick--Towns
trade 2018 pick top 3 restricted Kaminsky
Maybe Tim Hardaway and money for high #2 pick--Hanlan.

Possibility to execute highly doubtful

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3/12/2015  1:55 PM
There is no way I would make this deal for a Brad Lohaus type player...2018 is far enough away that we have no clue what the draft class will look like..Here are a few players drafted after the 3rd spot in recent years that you might be willing to forgo for Lohaus 2.0...Damian Lilard, Paul George, Cousins, Monroe, Bledsoe, Haywood, Klay Thompson, Curry, Brandon Wright, Faried, Butler, etc...
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3/12/2015  1:58 PM
holfresh wrote:There is no way I would make this deal for a Brad Lohaus type player...2018 is far enough away that we have no clue what the draft class will look like..Here are a few players drafted after the 3rd spot in recent years that you might be willing to forgo for Lohaus 2.0...Damian Lilard, Paul George, Cousins, Monroe, Bledsoe, Haywood, Klay Thompson, Curry, Brandon Wright, Faried, Butler, etc...

Id be very happy with one of Portis Wood or Kaminsky depending on who we get at the top. If we got Okafor Id be more on the other two guys if Id get so lucky. With Towns Id try to get Kaminsky. Thats what i would do. And I be patient and in 4 years I would win the first of many championships.

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Id give up my 2018 #1 with only top 3 restrtiction to get Kaminsky

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