BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:Gasol is proven in this league a decade & a half. No else this guy is similar to?

Like a 4-5 year vet? If this guy is like Gasol, then that means he has hall of fame talent potential, does he really have that?

I like the enthusiasm though.

A couple of years ago the Knicks didnt even have Vucevic on their draft board let alone try to move up 1-2 spots for him. They had Chris Singelton and Iman Shumpert as their targets--just mildly off the mark there. I mean think about that they had Singleton rated higher than Vucevic.

Here is something that I have learned a long time ago---7 footer with skills are a rare breed. It is obvious that he has in out offensive potential he might be an inch shorter than gasol(my guess is 6-11.5 to 7-0.5) with with a mildly smaller wingspan but he'll be hard guard especially when he gets up to 250 or so. I don't know who I can compare his skills to--hes very skilled. Not many players like him

It's real easy to sit here now after the fact and laugh that we had Singleton and Shump rated higher than Vucevic because all anyone had to go on is what they did in college and there's no way to predict how any player will adjust their game to the NBA so it's not fair to do now that we've seen what they have done. So you're obviously a Kaminsky fan and so am I but tell me which players you put above him in this draft for the Knicks?

BRIGGS wrote:Also the Knicks have no chance to draft Kaminsky--he will go way to high 7-13--it "should" be lower than we pick yet much much higher than we can possibly look at as a second asset. He'd be a nice get for the Suns.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:draftexpress has a nice Kaminsky vs. OK4 video and breaksdown their matchup quite nicely.

Thats a nice break down. Exactly what i expected from both players. Both shows potential. ...Kaminsky shows more range than i expected. And less strength on the block....hes a perfect twin tower option when paired with a defensive center.....similar to what most said about OK4. It really depends on your system. OK4 and Melo will cancel each other out on offense....and both will be liabilities on defense. I think Kaminsky's defensive IQ is higher than OK4.....and OK4 is light years ahead of Kaminsky on the block.

Im happy with either player. This draft is not loaded with potential superstars so FA pickups will define this team....not the draft.

I still like Towns as the #1 pick with his potential....i also like Mudiay for the same reasons. POTENTIAL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL....in my Dick Vital voice.

Here's something scary... what if OK4 gets better? I mean Ive heard people talk about how he has a lower ceiling than Towns. Dude puts up 20ppg on 65% at 19 years old and does it with NBA footwork. I mean if *that* improves your talking about one of the best post scorers in the NBA. Ever. His hands are so big he may always struggle to develop a good jumper. Phil Phil what will you do.....

fishmike wrote:interesting... I just NBAdraft.net writeup on Frank:

Weaknesses: The most obvious one is his subpar level of athleticism and lateral movement, but one of the main concerns with him ironically is on offense ... It’s possible to find a role for him defensively where he won’t be exploited, he has length after all, but will he be able to succeed in an offensive system different from the one he thrives in at Wisconsin? The fact that he struggled so mightily in the wide open format in front of so many scouts at adidas Nations in the summer has to be a conern ... Theoretically he is the perfect guy to play in the triangle offense, in a way that maybe only Pau Gasol did, and certainly he could find his place an offense like the Spurs (every high IQ player could) ... But could he survive in more ISO oriented offenses where he will not have the ball in his hands much? A lot will depend on his consistency shooting, the percentages show us he is improving but the NBA 3 pointer is a different animal and though the high release will help Kaminsky a lot in shooting over people, his release is pretty slow and could be a problem ... The talent is there but he has to show he can use it at the next level, and his limited upside (because he is already almost at the top of his game) and older age might scare some team away (Tyler Zeller was a much better/faster athlete and he fell to 20 as a senior, and has been traded)... Another big question mark is how will he deal with NBA physicality on both ends of the floor ... He could potentially guard 5s but only if he adds strength to his body, while the 4 position could be too fast and explosive for him ... And on offense people may push him out of the blocks too easily ... The fact that he didn;t really do anything in his first two seasons in college is also a slight concern. Is he just a late bloomer, or is he taking advantage of players younger than himself as an upperclassman? ... All that being said, we are talking about a player with a rare set of skills, who in the right system could utilize his abilities and become a great role player ...

Possibly the best analysis on the Web for Kaminsky.

I think Jackson would like him, but not in the draft slot we will hopefully be picking in.

My point was pretty simple. All he said comparing the two players was

Were looking for the next big thing but Frank Kaminsky reminds me an awful lot of Paul Gasol with more range?

You need a little more depth to the analysis if you are gonna compare a soon to be rookie to someone like Gasol.

Gasol shoots 51% for his career - his 3 percentage is low but I'm sure his 3 attempts aren't many.

18 ppg - 9 rebs - 1.6 blocks.

If he is that similar to Gasol, as soon as we fall to 4th in the draft we should take him.

BRIGGS provides a lot of reading & I'm down with that but I think the original post needs some justification.

blkexec wrote:

Hector wrote:Gasol is proven in this league a decade & a half. No else this guy is similar to?

Like a 4-5 year vet? If this guy is like Gasol, then that means he has hall of fame talent potential, does he really have that?

I like the enthusiasm though.

Did Pau Gasol have hall of fame talent when he was drafted? Im not understanding your point. The draft is all about potential since nobody actually played in the nba. Not sure how anybody in nba history had hall of fame talent without playing a single nba game.

But to help vision his potential ceiling...its easier to compare him to nba players just to get a feel for his nba potential. Now i could be wrong....but i played at a high level....with nba players. Ive watched basketball players develop. So this is just my perspective. I know every draft there are players that are over looked. My excitement is trying to predict players performance at the nba level... With this guy....ive actually watched him b4 most people said anything about him. I think hes a safe pick....But we need a second pick to get him.

BRIGGS wrote:

Hector wrote:

My point was pretty simple. All he said comparing the two players was

Were looking for the next big thing but Frank Kaminsky reminds me an awful lot of Paul Gasol with more range?

You need a little more depth to the analysis if you are gonna compare a soon to be rookie to someone like Gasol.

Gasol shoots 51% for his career - his 3 percentage is low but I'm sure his 3 attempts aren't many.

18 ppg - 9 rebs - 1.6 blocks.

If he is that similar to Gasol, as soon as we fall to 4th in the draft we should take him.

BRIGGS provides a lot of reading & I'm down with that but I think the original post needs some justification.

blkexec wrote:

Hector wrote:Gasol is proven in this league a decade & a half. No else this guy is similar to?

Like a 4-5 year vet? If this guy is like Gasol, then that means he has hall of fame talent potential, does he really have that?

I like the enthusiasm though.

Did Pau Gasol have hall of fame talent when he was drafted? Im not understanding your point. The draft is all about potential since nobody actually played in the nba. Not sure how anybody in nba history had hall of fame talent without playing a single nba game.

But to help vision his potential ceiling...its easier to compare him to nba players just to get a feel for his nba potential. Now i could be wrong....but i played at a high level....with nba players. Ive watched basketball players develop. So this is just my perspective. I know every draft there are players that are over looked. My excitement is trying to predict players performance at the nba level... With this guy....ive actually watched him b4 most people said anything about him. I think hes a safe pick....But we need a second pick to get him.

Frank Kamnisky reminds me a little of Pau Gasol. I dont think he IS Pau Gasol but I cant deny this is a 7 footer who has unusual offensive skills like Gasol. I think someone brought it up well--is he more Bargs than gasol--he might be right. Its up to Kaminsky and the team who drafts him to get his body weight to 247-252 and make sure he plays more inside than outside. Hes got great skill in the post--to me he doesnt utilize it enough.

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:draftexpress has a nice Kaminsky vs. OK4 video and breaksdown their matchup quite nicely.

Thats a nice break down. Exactly what i expected from both players. Both shows potential. ...Kaminsky shows more range than i expected. And less strength on the block....hes a perfect twin tower option when paired with a defensive center.....similar to what most said about OK4. It really depends on your system. OK4 and Melo will cancel each other out on offense....and both will be liabilities on defense. I think Kaminsky's defensive IQ is higher than OK4.....and OK4 is light years ahead of Kaminsky on the block.

Im happy with either player. This draft is not loaded with potential superstars so FA pickups will define this team....not the draft.

I still like Towns as the #1 pick with his potential....i also like Mudiay for the same reasons. POTENTIAL POTENTIAL POTENTIAL....in my Dick Vital voice.

FistOfOakley wrote:christian laettner was not bad ... it was only compared to what ppl projected him to be that he was sort of a bust... he wasn't a hof'er or even all star but he was quite a bit better than brad miller...

Laetner is pretty good comparison. But he was also a good NBA player. I think Frank--if he puts on a hrd 10 pounds and goes to his full inside outside potential will be a nice player. I think the extra length that gasol may have is still a lot in the NBA game. an inch in height and three inches in wingspan = a lot. Certainly Frank is 10 times the outside shooter Laetner was.

towns is a notch below embiid as a center prospect but towns doesn't have the injury question marks... ok4 compares very favorably to someone like blake griffin(not physically but their offensive and rebounding impact) and russell you could argue is a better prospect than harden since he has better freshman numbers...

FistOfOakley wrote:christian laettner was not bad ... it was only compared to what ppl projected him to be that he was sort of a bust... he wasn't a hof'er or even all star but he was quite a bit better than brad miller...

Laettner was no bust. Was picked 3rd, played 12 seasons on some god awful team. Made allstar team at age 27 with 18pts 9 reb avg. He had some very good years.
The hype? dude went to final 4 FOUR TIMES.
The Hype? Won two championships.
The hype? He will be in the HOF for his college career and gets some cred for his NBA career.
The expectation? Injuries, awful teams, and he was a dyck for sure.

Look at the draft that year: http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_1992.html

Other than Spree taken at 24 Laetner had a better career than anyone taken after him. After shaq and alonzo, you had Laetner. Then Jim Jackson, Laphonso Ellis, Googs, Walt williams, todd day, Spoon,..........