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3/1/2015  5:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2015  5:23 PM
Shved is a taller slower Jeremy Lin. He looks good.
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3/1/2015  5:34 PM
NYKBocker wrote:Shved is a taller slower Jeremy Lin. He looks good.

YUP! Pretty much. Shved is fast enough tho, cuz he has the handles to get where he wants to on the floor. I like his passing ability and he gets to the line. As long as he plays smart and within himself he should be fine. Shved doesn't have to force things and can let the game come to him. The same goes for Galloway. When they need to step up they pick their spots and it works much better. We saw how it looks when a player forces the issue when we played Detroit and Reggie Jackson was forcing it.
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3/1/2015  6:27 PM
I think some Fans have 3:30 a.m. in the club syndrome. Do not let the season distort your vision Shved is not good. People though Shump couldn't shoot and wasn't consistent but like Shved?

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3/1/2015  6:31 PM
Yellowboy - outstanding
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3/1/2015  6:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2015  6:40 PM
Just watched Rockets/Cavs..great game...Missed the days when we were competitive..Now we resort to starting threads on D League call ups and third stringers...
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3/1/2015  8:36 PM
misterearl wrote:Yellowboy - outstanding

Here's the thing, we need to find cheap players who can function in this system and give us a good cost to performance ratio. We're not expecting them to be superstars. So why piss on the idea that a kid like Shved could be a good fit on this team? It's being negative for no other reason than to be negative. So far he's been pretty good considering he just got here and is picking this up on the fly. People act like he has no talent and that's no true. He does have talent. Perhaps he hasn't had a chance to really put it all together yet. Perhaps this is a good situation for him to settle into a solid role and to show what he can do.


NBA Comparison: Penny Hardaway
Strengths: A 6-7 natural point guard with immense upside ... A real competitor, also very smart. Charismatic ... Really has a great feel for the game at a young age ... Has it all offensively with the ability to shoot off the dribble with range as well as take it to the basket ... Tremendous passer and ball handler ... Has a nasty crossover and handles the ball well against the quickest of defenders ... Makes the game look very easy ... Creates baskets for his teammates and makes those around him better ... Very bouncy, good leaper with huge wingspan ... Looks very young. Could still be growing ... Has huge hands giving him added control over the ball ... Applies himself defensively and shows good instincts staying in front of his man and not biting on fakes ... One of the top overall prospects in all of Europe ...

Weaknesses: His frame is very long but his shoulders are narrow and he is very skinny ... May never be a very strong player, but as a point guard, that's less important ... Added strength will allow him to drive to the basket and absorb contact better ... He'll also be able to use his size better on the boards ... Being from Russia, he has some hurdles to cross as a number of recent Russian players (besides AK47) have struggled to make the transition to the NBA/USA culture ...

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/alexey-shved

Finding a Niche for Alexey Shved
June 23, 2010

Shved flourished in a bigger role this season, averaging 10 points and nearly 4 assists in about 22 minutes per game--impressive numbers for a 21-year-old in the ultra-competitive Russian league. He got to the free throw line at a good rate, shot 55% inside the arc and ranked as the second best distributor per-minute in the Superleague. The assist numbers stand out in particular because he wasn’t always Dynamo’s primary ball handler in his time on the floor. He often shared those duties with fellow Russian backcourt mates Sergey Bykov and Dmitriy Khvostov.

Watching Shved play, it’s tough not to be enamored with the terrific talent he displays, particularly his ability to play the pick-and-roll and operate in the open floor. He’s got great size for either backcourt position at 6-5 and is an extremely fluid, creative player with the ability to create his own shot, which is rare for a European prospect. He has all the typical tricks you see from Euro-style slashers, relying heavily on timing, pace, change of speed and herky-jerky shakes and crossovers to get his man off balance, but he also has an extra gear he can go to to get by his man using either hand, particularly in transition.

In this regard, his style of play is very similar to the way Goran Dragic played for Phoenix this season. Shved is an even better passer, though. He instinctively makes smart, simple passes within the flow of the offense, but he can also wow you at times with his imagination and his ability to thread the needle and find the open man diving to the rim for an easy basket.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Alexey-Shved-1097/
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3/1/2015  8:42 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2015  8:43 PM
Do I detect a note of optimism from earl? Made me run for my old cure albums with your other thread . Glad to see the old earl back!
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3/1/2015  9:26 PM
GustavBahler wrote:Do I detect a note of optimism from earl? Made me run for my old cure albums with your other thread . Glad to see the old earl back!

I believe Earl was showing he agreed with Yellowboy in being negative about Shved.
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3/1/2015  9:45 PM
nixluva wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:Do I detect a note of optimism from earl? Made me run for my old cure albums with your other thread . Glad to see the old earl back!

I believe Earl was showing he agreed with Yellowboy in being negative about Shved.

I was referring to his thread about the franchise being doomed for another decade. Can't say I haven't wondered the same, but I do believe we are in a better position now than we have been in a few years, awful record and all. Just have to wait and see how this all plays out.
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nixluva wrote:
misterearl wrote:Yellowboy - outstanding

Here's the thing, we need to find cheap players who can function in this system and give us a good cost to performance ratio. We're not expecting them to be superstars. So why piss on the idea that a kid like Shved could be a good fit on this team? It's being negative for no other reason than to be negative. So far he's been pretty good considering he just got here and is picking this up on the fly. People act like he has no talent and that's no true. He does have talent. Perhaps he hasn't had a chance to really put it all together yet. Perhaps this is a good situation for him to settle into a solid role and to show what he can do.


NBA Comparison: Penny Hardaway
Strengths: A 6-7 natural point guard with immense upside ... A real competitor, also very smart. Charismatic ... Really has a great feel for the game at a young age ... Has it all offensively with the ability to shoot off the dribble with range as well as take it to the basket ... Tremendous passer and ball handler ... Has a nasty crossover and handles the ball well against the quickest of defenders ... Makes the game look very easy ... Creates baskets for his teammates and makes those around him better ... Very bouncy, good leaper with huge wingspan ... Looks very young. Could still be growing ... Has huge hands giving him added control over the ball ... Applies himself defensively and shows good instincts staying in front of his man and not biting on fakes ... One of the top overall prospects in all of Europe ...

Weaknesses: His frame is very long but his shoulders are narrow and he is very skinny ... May never be a very strong player, but as a point guard, that's less important ... Added strength will allow him to drive to the basket and absorb contact better ... He'll also be able to use his size better on the boards ... Being from Russia, he has some hurdles to cross as a number of recent Russian players (besides AK47) have struggled to make the transition to the NBA/USA culture ...

http://www.nbadraft.net/players/alexey-shved

Finding a Niche for Alexey Shved
June 23, 2010

Shved flourished in a bigger role this season, averaging 10 points and nearly 4 assists in about 22 minutes per game--impressive numbers for a 21-year-old in the ultra-competitive Russian league. He got to the free throw line at a good rate, shot 55% inside the arc and ranked as the second best distributor per-minute in the Superleague. The assist numbers stand out in particular because he wasn’t always Dynamo’s primary ball handler in his time on the floor. He often shared those duties with fellow Russian backcourt mates Sergey Bykov and Dmitriy Khvostov.

Watching Shved play, it’s tough not to be enamored with the terrific talent he displays, particularly his ability to play the pick-and-roll and operate in the open floor. He’s got great size for either backcourt position at 6-5 and is an extremely fluid, creative player with the ability to create his own shot, which is rare for a European prospect. He has all the typical tricks you see from Euro-style slashers, relying heavily on timing, pace, change of speed and herky-jerky shakes and crossovers to get his man off balance, but he also has an extra gear he can go to to get by his man using either hand, particularly in transition.

In this regard, his style of play is very similar to the way Goran Dragic played for Phoenix this season. Shved is an even better passer, though. He instinctively makes smart, simple passes within the flow of the offense, but he can also wow you at times with his imagination and his ability to thread the needle and find the open man diving to the rim for an easy basket.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Alexey-Shved-1097/

Then phil put him in the perfect spot to succeed ..his skill set is perfect for the triangle other then schved first year he really hasn't gotten a chance to play ... I really like this kids potential. the game vs Toronto was the best court vision of any knick player I've seen all year... If schved keeps this up he's a keeper..
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3/1/2015  10:37 PM
galloway seems like a keeper if he keeps progressing slowly and steadily... he fits the profile of a good triangle guard.. good defense... the offense is a work in progress but he makes good decisions... he's not a cornerstone or anything but he's something like a 25min guy...

shved is nothing more than a lower minute guy off the bench... if he can give 15mins split at each guard position off the bench that would help ... it all really depends on who we grab in the draft and in FA... he's not starter material as of yet..
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3/1/2015  10:56 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/1/2015  10:56 PM
Galloway - best case scenario....Felton w/o the illegal handgun

Schved - best case scenario....Lin with a Beatles haircut

....nuf said. This thread is like those Lotto commercials...except a dollar short
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3/1/2015  11:02 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:galloway seems like a keeper if he keeps progressing slowly and steadily... he fits the profile of a good triangle guard.. good defense... the offense is a work in progress but he makes good decisions... he's not a cornerstone or anything but he's something like a 25min guy...

shved is nothing more than a lower minute guy off the bench... if he can give 15mins split at each guard position off the bench that would help ... it all really depends on who we grab in the draft and in FA... he's not starter material as of yet..


Tell me who has been able to come in and look this good that fast? We know he's not a superstar but he doesn't have to be. So far Shved has been highly productive in his short stint so far. I think he's totally underestimated as a player. This is a perfect spot for him since it's a system with good structure and his excellent passing skills can shine. You can't have too many good passers on the floor in this system. Also since he's a good penetrator it opens up more opportunities for him to drive and kick or draw the foul.

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3/1/2015  11:17 PM
didn't all our 10 day guys look pretty good? lance thomas was doing great but then he fell back to earth...

i was always kind of intrigued by shved and he seems like he could do well here... but it's less than a handful of games compared to what he's been doing in the past... the offense is just not there yet.. meaning he shoots too much.. and shoots too many 3s when he's not dependable there as of yet... he was under 30% in minnesota and he's been around there in his short time in ny... it's not a good sign...

but it's worth a look if you can bring him back cheap.... i just wouldn't want to depend on him....
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3/1/2015  11:47 PM
FistOfOakley wrote:didn't all our 10 day guys look pretty good? lance thomas was doing great but then he fell back to earth...

i was always kind of intrigued by shved and he seems like he could do well here... but it's less than a handful of games compared to what he's been doing in the past... the offense is just not there yet.. meaning he shoots too much.. and shoots too many 3s when he's not dependable there as of yet... he was under 30% in minnesota and he's been around there in his short time in ny... it's not a good sign...

but it's worth a look if you can bring him back cheap.... i just wouldn't want to depend on him....


Why are we holding Shved up to this impossible standard? Depend on him? He just freaking got here and IMO he's shown a better feel for what we're doing than guys who had way more time to learn the system. IMO he's shown a lot of skills we've been missing at the guard spot. No one should be expecting perfection. I don't even understand how people are viewing these players so harshly considering that we're looking at guys who are basically forgotten players off other teams. None of these players are high draft picks except Bargs. For them to be performing at this level is a great sign.

It shows you that you can overcome a lack of talent with execution and desire. All players in the NBA have some talent but are they maximizing whatever talent they have. IMO that is something we can look for from these players. Let's stop going on about what they can't do or didn't do in the past and just look at how they're doing right now for the rest of the season. We already know that we're gonna look to bring in more higher level talent this summer, but we need to find guys who can play a role and I think Shved is a guy that could play a good role for this team. OF course he needs to improve his game. Is that even worth mentioning for a guy who was barely playing on his last team? JESUS. Dude comes here and helps us win that's a good sign. IMO you've gotta be f'n blind not to see that he's been getting better and does some things this team needs.


DATE	     OPP	SCORE	MIN	FGM-FGA	 FG%	3PM-3PA	 3P%	FTM-FTA	FT%	REB	AST	BLK	STL	PF	TO	PTS
Sat 2/28     vsTOR   W 103-98	20	4-7	 .571	2-4	 .500	5-5	1.000	2	5	0	2	1	3	15
Fri 2/27     @ DET   W 121-115	20	4-12	 .333	1-2	 .500	2-2	1.000	5	4	0	1	1	0	11
Wed 2/25     @ BOS   L 94-115	19	2-7	 .286	0-2	 .000	7-8	.875	5	1	0	0	1	0	11
Sun 2/22     vsCLE   L 83-101	3	0-1	 .000	0-1	 .000	0-0	.000	1	0	0	0	0	0	0
Fri 2/20     vsMIA   L 87-111	0	0-0	 .000	0-0	 .000	0-0	.000	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Last 5 Games (played 4)	        15.5	2.5-6.8	 .370	0.8-2.3	 .333	3.5-3.8	.933	3.3	2.5	0.0	0.8	0.8	0.8	9.3

I'm pulling for the kid to find some consistency and stick with the team. We could use as many affordable role players as we can find.
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3/2/2015  12:34 AM
you make all valid points.... a guy like him is already one of the better players on the team... he's worth more of a look than say tim hardaway jr at this point....

but if the goal is winning consistently... he can't be a starter.. at least right now.. and if you play him heavy minutes he will be exposed like he was in minnesota...

give him more time to get a better idea of what u have... the nba is not a game for quick judgments...
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3/2/2015  5:37 AM    LAST EDITED: 3/2/2015  7:28 AM
“Alexey, he’s showing you some of the things that we mentioned that we thought he might have in terms of the potential to handle the ball, to make plays, to make shots. is size and his feel for the game are things that are a good combination to have with this offense.” - Derek Fisher


“It’s a great offense, everybody around plays the ball, passing. It’s not really hard to learn. I know maybe 80 percent of the offense,” - Alexey Shved

Schved has about .07 of Pete Maravich in his game. His ability to change gears pace off the dribble is a huge plus.

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earthmansurfer wrote:Galloway looks to be a keeper so far, at least an off the bench guy for next year.

And consider, when Melo is out there and some other great players (i.e. - FA signings, our draft pick, etc.) Galloway will get more open looks.

Shved is sort of another shocker so far. (Briggs to criticize in 3, 2, 1...) Seriously, he looks like a smart cat with some good ability and I hope he continues to improve.
fulfill those early forecasts (similar to his play on the Russian national team.) And same goes for him with Melo and some other great players out there.
I think his shot will come around as he feels comfortable. It is a tough thing to perform when not getting minutes (excluding his rookie year.)

We are watching auditions most likely for our bench next year, depending on how much we can get through FA and the draft.

I am open to anything that will help the Knicks. Shsvyd should get just as much opportunity as admundson Galloway's Thomas and bargnani. He has not been good in multiple years in the NBA but we can say that about different players. Looks like a nice kid and good teammate. I will be 110% behind him to succeed and to possibly stay here. Its much easier to go with what u already have. Best of luck k to Alex and the new t 25 games I hope he proves to be an asset

+1

I cant explain his prior troubles but we have seen many guys in the league struggle for years then it clicks. Lets see what he's got and hopefully we can find a role that allows him to excel

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3/2/2015  11:02 AM
I always like this guy, I picked him up in Fantasy basketball last yr, and he posted solid #s, i also traded for him in NBA 2k14, and he was solid there to. Then I started paying attention to him at the end of last yr, and he was a very well rounded player, ast, rb, st, scoring, shot selection. He just inconsistent, which is why he's been traded 3 times in 6 months.
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