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good restricted free agents-especially young one's will be out of reach for us
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BRIGGS
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6/27/2004  10:49 PM
next years cap # will be between 46.5---48.5mm

approximately 16 teams are under that cap number

http://hoopshype.com/salaries.htm
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6/28/2004  12:35 AM
Briggs again you are twisting and posting with no integrity man, those teams will be barely under the cap, what is being 1 or 2 million under the cap going to do for you man? huh? and a lot of that is misleading a lot of those team will have to sign their own Free agents, when it is all said and done, there will be a handfull of teams if that many that will be under the cap and even fewer that will have enought money to sign anyone flat out... come on man....

Talk about logic?
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6/28/2004  1:32 AM
I still think Chicago agrees to KT and expiring contracts for a re-signed Crawford and JYD. Why you care about the Knicks and what they pay everybody is beyond me, don't go to the games, don't support Dolan (as we all know, you don't, congrats) and you don't have to worry about it. What the Knicks cap figure is insignificant, it could be $1 mil over the luxury tax, $50 mil or a billion over the luxury tax, if you are one dollar over it, it doesn't matter how big it is. Dolan said he's going to pay more money this year if Isiah thinks it will improve the team, let him do it.

Chicago gets rid of their worst contract and adds 2 frontcourt players they need to teach Curry and Chandler. Paxson said at the end of the year that he wanted vets with good work ethic on the Bulls to teach these young guys how to work hard, because they don't know how. To sign Crawford, which they can do, and then in two years have a backup 2G (when Gordon's starting) making $6 mil isn't smart financially. I think Chicago does that deal, that's my personal view, looking at all the angles. Is there a chance they hold onto Crawford? Yes. Is Crawford the guy who dropped 50 last year? Yes. Is Crawford the guy who coaches and managment repeatedly called out and bashed in the papers? Yes. Is public opinion in Chicago against Crawford (he isn't in their mandatory workouts)? Yes.

Washington might go ahead and sign Etan Thomas, that's a definite possibility. As you mentioned, the backup plan should be splitting the MLE on Chris Mihm and Chris Andersen or just using a fraction of it to get Mihm, I still think they upgrade the offense.

The Knicks do have a lot of players, but BRIGGS, use logic my man. There is zero chance, none nada zilch none, that Trybanski and Harrington are on this team next year. Whether it's a two for one deal or they're thrown in a trade, no way they're on this team. So counting them on the team just to prove a point that the Knicks are in a bad financial situatino (thanks for the update, as if none of us knew the Knicks cap situation was as ugly as Shawn Marion's jumper).

There are still legit chances they land either player, saying they have a better chance of getting 3-time MVP Shaq O'Neal than signing Etan Thomas is absurd.
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6/28/2004  9:50 AM
Briggs is in rare form I see... truth is every year teams give up assets for nothing. Brad Miller is the perfect example. Indy didnt get high draft picks or $12 mill in cap space.

The sinple fact is for teams like Memphis and Chi 6 years and $43mm is a big commitment and while Swift and Crawford are nice players that price tag is high enough to impact your payroll flexibility for the next 5 years.

If the Grizz want to give a $40mm plus contract to a guy playing 18 minutes a game good for them.
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6/28/2004  10:31 AM
why does chicago want kt when they have antonio davis? they are about as close as it gets to being the same player. ill say it like isiah ill give it a 1% chance to appease you.

we DO have a legit chance at dampier we DO have a legit chance at Mihm or Doleac--we do need a back up 2 which hopefully we can acquire via trade.

For a big man I would go

Dampier#1
Mihm#2
Doleac#3

It sounds like Mark Blount is headed to Orlando.

what G can we get? its likely that isiah uses some of those contracts to get a guy who can either start 2 or play 6th man. i dont know if we will trade KT --i think he stays a knick
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6/28/2004  10:38 AM
there are a ton of teams with cap room flexibility and you are right on one subject. teams such as wash with 39mm in cap room have more than suffecient room to resign or match their own FA etan Thomas like chicago will do with crawford.

the knicks are only 50mm over the cap hey maybe we get financially frozen as well?
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6/28/2004  11:43 AM
I'd be very, very happy if the Knicks split the MLE on Mihm and Doleac and traded expiring contracts for a backup shooting guard. To me, that's a very good offseason, geting Doleac back, adding a solid young 7 footer, and getting some depth on the wing.

Would Seattle deal Flip Murray for expiring contracts? A guy like that I'd love to get.

[Edited by - bigsm00th on 06/28/2004 11:46:29]
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6/28/2004  12:22 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Briggs is in rare form I see... truth is every year teams give up assets for nothing. Brad Miller is the perfect example. Indy didnt get high draft picks or $12 mill in cap space.

The sinple fact is for teams like Memphis and Chi 6 years and $43mm is a big commitment and while Swift and Crawford are nice players that price tag is high enough to impact your payroll flexibility for the next 5 years.

If the Grizz want to give a $40mm plus contract to a guy playing 18 minutes a game good for them.

I would offer that to swift just to make the grizz overpay if they want him that bad......
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6/28/2004  12:22 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

why does chicago want kt when they have antonio davis? they are about as close as it gets to being the same player. ill say it like isiah ill give it a 1% chance to appease you.

we DO have a legit chance at dampier we DO have a legit chance at Mihm or Doleac--we do need a back up 2 which hopefully we can acquire via trade.

For a big man I would go

Dampier#1
Mihm#2
Doleac#3

It sounds like Mark Blount is headed to Orlando.

what G can we get? its likely that isiah uses some of those contracts to get a guy who can either start 2 or play 6th man. i dont know if we will trade KT --i think he stays a knick
Antonio davis is about 5 years older than KT and half the player that he was 3 years ago.. He and KT are far from the same...
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6/28/2004  12:24 PM
as dumb as he can be, I would take KT over davis anyday.

yet, maybe briggy " we have no chance at anything" meant about the veteran teaching help.
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6/28/2004  12:33 PM
they are similar players. you have antonio davis at big money for 2 more years--why would i trade for KT? it doesnt matter who is better, they are both not worth jamal crawford. kurt thomas does NOT have high trade value--he had a better value when he only had 1 year left on his contract and the best we could do is malik rose and the 28th pick????? i think KT will be here--maybe he is moved on but it will be vet for vet.
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6/28/2004  5:43 PM
Did you miss the part about us taking on bad deals from them like Erob, Davis, and Williams? Also, another thing that don't seem to agree to at least consider is that few teams can spend like NY. 5 mil for a long time to a backup that you don't like is a tough sell to the bulls. Also, Curry might be gone, so they would need another big. I understand your point and I agree that might just get nothing, but it is not nearly as bad as it is in your opinion. We just might get what we want too. There is no way to tell what will happen. Besides, getting Dampier is probably better then getting Craw for our team, we need a shotblocker/defender/rebonder at C in the worst way. Last time I checked guard scoring was not one of our major problems. Unless Houston completley break down, we should be fine and 1-2. And if he does, maybe he will retire and we will get an injury exception or something like that. That would probably be the best thing for the team.
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6/29/2004  1:26 AM
ESPN Insider wrote in their evaluation of this year's FA crop that the Bulls are interested in KT and would consider a sign-and-trade for Crawford.
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6/29/2004  8:53 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

ESPN Insider wrote in their evaluation of this year's FA crop that the Bulls are interested in KT and would consider a sign-and-trade for Crawford.
Makes a lot of sense for both teams; Kurt would be the Bulls' best PF. Crawford would be a great young combo guard for the Knicks.
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6/29/2004  10:08 AM
if the Bulls end up trading Tyson Chandler, then i can easily see them being interested in KT for Crawford.
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6/29/2004  10:12 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

ESPN Insider wrote in their evaluation of this year's FA crop that the Bulls are interested in KT and would consider a sign-and-trade for Crawford.









Can someone post this insider? I've been wanting to read it for awhile...
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6/29/2004  10:19 AM
Posted by TMS:

if the Bulls end up trading Tyson Chandler, then i can easily see them being interested in KT for Crawford.
Regardless of Ty Chandler and his chronic back problems, Kurt makes a lot of sense for Chicago
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6/29/2004  1:05 PM
It's too bad we don't have another draft pick. I think a trade of Kurt Thomas, Frank Williams (from Illinois), Mutombo and Othella (8 Mil in expiring contracts) with a draft pick to Chicago for Eddy Curry, Jerome Williams, and Jamal Crawford. I know Chicago is reluctant to give up on E Curry, but if he starts asking for a trade to the NY. And before you get angry consider Isiah wanted to take the Chicago coaching job just to have a chance to make Eddy a player. Now Isiah and Eddy are both Chicago players and I know they have a personal relationship. It's a longshot.

And of all the options for the exception I would love nothing more than to have Etan Thomas here. I really dont think Anderson, or Mihm would do much for us that Doleac wouldnt at 1.5Mil if we could get him. But there wont be any space anyways for another player unless some trades happen.

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6/30/2004  3:30 AM
the bulls young guns are really not consistent. the bulls seem to want to built a more reliable team. KT makes sense there. NOt only cause of talent, we hear you briggs, but cause of stability he can brings.
good restricted free agents-especially young one's will be out of reach for us

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