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Knixkik
Posts: 35477 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 7/24/2001 Member: #11 USA |
2/27/2015 8:26 AM
As long as we are top 3 I'm happy. Towns, okafor, and Russell are all great picks.
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nixluva
Posts: 56258 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 10/5/2004 Member: #758 USA |
2/27/2015 1:08 PM
In the Triangle you don't really need a PG at all. Phil played without a real PG many years in his starting lineup. You need a good defensive guard who can also pass and score effectively. In Phil's history his SG/SF have been very good passers and that makes sense given the way the offense sets up. Guys like Pippen and Odom could pass from the top of the offense as could Jordan or Kobe from the weak side opposite the Triangle.
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Guards like Russell and Mudiay are perfect cuz they have SG size but can pass and drive etc. like a PG. but also score from the perimeter. This is why they brought in Shved. He's 6-6 and pretty much can pass like a PG and drive effectively. If he ever gets his shot going he'd be a perfect rotation guard. |
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42864 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
2/27/2015 1:30 PM
nixluva wrote:In the Triangle you don't really need a PG at all. Phil played without a real PG many years in his starting lineup. You need a good defensive guard who can also pass and score effectively. In Phil's history his SG/SF have been very good passers and that makes sense given the way the offense sets up. Guys like Pippen and Odom could pass from the top of the offense as could Jordan or Kobe from the weak side opposite the Triangle. You don't need a PG when you have the 2 best SGs of all time Jordan/Kobe handling the ball more.Bulls also had until a few days ago the best passing forward in NBA history in Pippen. they all averaged more assists than almost everyone on that list. We don't have that luxury. Its possible that the triangle might be scrapped, what then? Long term we need a solid PG, playing with subpar PGs has been a disaster. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53866 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
2/27/2015 1:43 PM
GustavBahler wrote:yea.. the bulls teams absolutely had a top shelf PG, he just played SF. Pip used to average 6 assists a game or more. Jordan would average 4-5 as well.nixluva wrote:In the Triangle you don't really need a PG at all. Phil played without a real PG many years in his starting lineup. You need a good defensive guard who can also pass and score effectively. In Phil's history his SG/SF have been very good passers and that makes sense given the way the offense sets up. Guys like Pippen and Odom could pass from the top of the offense as could Jordan or Kobe from the weak side opposite the Triangle. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
2/27/2015 2:25 PM LAST EDITED: 2/27/2015 2:45 PM
GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:In the Triangle you don't really need a PG at all. Phil played without a real PG many years in his starting lineup. You need a good defensive guard who can also pass and score effectively. In Phil's history his SG/SF have been very good passers and that makes sense given the way the offense sets up. Guys like Pippen and Odom could pass from the top of the offense as could Jordan or Kobe from the weak side opposite the Triangle. No question you need a playmaker. From either guard position. Unfortunately Melo doesn't make plays for his teammates like Pippen & Odom. You absolutely need at least one big who can defend, rebound & score some inside. We always see jumpshooting teams get exposed in the playoffs. You can usually find a big who does 1 or 2 of those things. The ones who do all 3 are usually Allstars or borderline allstars. That's why Towns is my pick. You put Greg Monroe next time him and you just built a team reminiscent to the 2010 Lakers & 99 Spurs. You can dig deep and find diamond in the rough guards like Lin, Prigioni, Galloway, Beverly etc When was the last time a team uncovered a really good big? Miami got really lucky with Whiteside. Can't think of another. I wish Galloway could be that guy but he's a little trigger happy and an erractic shooter. I don't know maybe he can make some plays for guys in this system that doesn't require any player to have the ball in their hands at all times. He is only 23 Maybe he works on his shooting. He already does a fine job defensively with his long arms. Between Butler, Matthews & Green. Butler is the better playmaker |
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42864 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
2/27/2015 2:47 PM
gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:In the Triangle you don't really need a PG at all. Phil played without a real PG many years in his starting lineup. You need a good defensive guard who can also pass and score effectively. In Phil's history his SG/SF have been very good passers and that makes sense given the way the offense sets up. Guys like Pippen and Odom could pass from the top of the offense as could Jordan or Kobe from the weak side opposite the Triangle. IMO a diamond in the rough starting PG is a player who can maintain a degree of exellence for the better part of an entire season. Pablo was a nice find but he was absolutely allergic to the rim. Lin's exellence was measured in weeks. Galloway, from what Ive seen looks like he has the chance to be a solid backup, but I don't believe any of them are good enough to be a starter on a contending team. I have no problem at all with Phil taking a big and going for a PG in the second round, maybe get a FA as well. Just don't want the job to go to just another placeholder, and that's all we have had for the most part for a very long time. Hasn't worked out well for the Knicks. |
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
2/27/2015 2:52 PM LAST EDITED: 2/27/2015 2:58 PM
GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:In the Triangle you don't really need a PG at all. Phil played without a real PG many years in his starting lineup. You need a good defensive guard who can also pass and score effectively. In Phil's history his SG/SF have been very good passers and that makes sense given the way the offense sets up. Guys like Pippen and Odom could pass from the top of the offense as could Jordan or Kobe from the weak side opposite the Triangle. Hopeful we find a way to get a 2nd rd pick. Our lottery pick is our only pick the next 2 years. I agree been saying it for years, you need a good point guard and they are as hard to find as Centers but in this case we are running the triangle. So the need for a floor general is t as great. We don't need a Chris Paul type. We need multiple playmakers at mostly every position. Towns is a phenomenal playmaking big like Shaq & Rodman. Ok4 is great too but he's playmaking comes from the attention he receives in the post |
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GustavBahler
Posts: 42864 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 7/12/2010 Member: #3186 |
2/27/2015 2:57 PM
gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:gunsnewing wrote:GustavBahler wrote:nixluva wrote:In the Triangle you don't really need a PG at all. Phil played without a real PG many years in his starting lineup. You need a good defensive guard who can also pass and score effectively. In Phil's history his SG/SF have been very good passers and that makes sense given the way the offense sets up. Guys like Pippen and Odom could pass from the top of the offense as could Jordan or Kobe from the weak side opposite the Triangle. Looks like Phil has made it his mission to stockpile some picks to make up for all the ones they've squandered. Might be the best thing he's done so far, even if you may disagree about how much he gave up for them. |