StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:If there was ever a real plan to rebuild, the agenda would have been to tell Melo you get $16M a year from us or you can go elsewhere. Then he'd get to choose us or Chicago at roughly the same rate.

Then you'd have a player you could still possibly trade if you need to. But you're stuck with Melo now.

AND WE GAVE HIM A NO-TRADE CLAUSE. Phil is in charge? BS

If there had been a real rebuild plan in mind, then sign and trade deals to get assets for Melo would have been explored or we'd have held firm at a much lower salary.

But what Melo got was not a rebuild move. Not even close.

No amount of tap dancing can call this a rebuild now.

I think Phil did urge Melo to take a paycut publicly. However lets face it dolan pretty much made the melo decision so Phil had no leverage.

Yes, that is what I said. It was all lip service and quite phony. Phil is not in charge.

Well i do think he is in charge of everything else, However when it comes to melo the buck stops with dolan

That's like saying other than the hole in the side of the ship the Titanic is still a seaworthy vessel.

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:If there was ever a real plan to rebuild, the agenda would have been to tell Melo you get $16M a year from us or you can go elsewhere. Then he'd get to choose us or Chicago at roughly the same rate.

Then you'd have a player you could still possibly trade if you need to. But you're stuck with Melo now.

AND WE GAVE HIM A NO-TRADE CLAUSE. Phil is in charge? BS

If there had been a real rebuild plan in mind, then sign and trade deals to get assets for Melo would have been explored or we'd have held firm at a much lower salary.

But what Melo got was not a rebuild move. Not even close.

No amount of tap dancing can call this a rebuild now.

I think Phil did urge Melo to take a paycut publicly. However lets face it dolan pretty much made the melo decision so Phil had no leverage.

Yes, that is what I said. It was all lip service and quite phony. Phil is not in charge.

Well i do think he is in charge of everything else, However when it comes to melo the buck stops with dolan

That's like saying other than the hole in the side of the hull the Titanic is still a highly seaworthy ship.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Splat wrote:If there was ever a real plan to rebuild, the agenda would have been to tell Melo you get $16M a year from us or you can go elsewhere. Then he'd get to choose us or Chicago at roughly the same rate.

Then you'd have a player you could still possibly trade if you need to. But you're stuck with Melo now.

AND WE GAVE HIM A NO-TRADE CLAUSE. Phil is in charge? BS

If there had been a real rebuild plan in mind, then sign and trade deals to get assets for Melo would have been explored or we'd have held firm at a much lower salary.

But what Melo got was not a rebuild move. Not even close.

No amount of tap dancing can call this a rebuild now.

I think Phil did urge Melo to take a paycut publicly. However lets face it dolan pretty much made the melo decision so Phil had no leverage.

Yes, that is what I said. It was all lip service and quite phony. Phil is not in charge.

Well i do think he is in charge of everything else, However when it comes to melo the buck stops with dolan

That's like saying other than the hole in the side of the hull the Titanic is still a highly seaworthy ship.

I wasnt trying to make it a positive man. I think it sucks that Dolan cant keep out of Knicks affairs. He lets Glen Sather handle the Rangers and surprise surprise the Rangers are a playoff team every year

Or like splat post pics of pigs with giant balls. Im sure he enjoyed everything that came up during that search.

Hardaway Jr is an asset that may get us something of value back.

There is cap space and a pick, Melo and the guy running the franchise has 11 rings!!

TripleThreat wrote:

fin89 wrote:Optimism Only Thread

1) Langston Galloway has been a relatively pleasant surprise. He has a chance to be part of the team's long term future.

2) I might be in the minority here on this, but I think Derek Fisher will end up a very good coach. ( Though it remains to be seen if it's here or if the Triangle will stifle his learning curve)

3) If a team hits rock bottom, clearly the only direction left is up. I still think the next four years will be a treadmill team, but I'm hoping that the Knicks can at least play some entertaining basketball if nothing else. At some level, the baseline has to be giving fans their money's worth when they buy a ticket.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:JSmith, Galloway and Early might be guys that can be bench players. Acy too. I can't believe I am saying this but Bargnani might actually be able to play in this system.

Hardaway Jr is an asset that may get us something of value back.

There is cap space and a pick, Melo and the guy running the franchise has 11 rings!!

As much as i am a fan of Phil there is a difference getting 11 rings as a coach(with 3 of the best players in our generation) and winning as a executive. Not saying he cant do it but i need to see it first

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:JSmith, Galloway and Early might be guys that can be bench players. Acy too. I can't believe I am saying this but Bargnani might actually be able to play in this system.

Hardaway Jr is an asset that may get us something of value back.

There is cap space and a pick, Melo and the guy running the franchise has 11 rings!!

As much as i am a fan of Phil there is a difference getting 11 rings as a coach(with 3 of the best players in our generation) and winning as a executive. Not saying he cant do it but i need to see it first

This is a positive only thread.

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

fin89 wrote:Optimism Only Thread

1) Langston Galloway has been a relatively pleasant surprise. He has a chance to be part of the team's long term future.

2) I might be in the minority here on this, but I think Derek Fisher will end up a very good coach. ( Though it remains to be seen if it's here or if the Triangle will stifle his learning curve)

3) If a team hits rock bottom, clearly the only direction left is up. I still think the next four years will be a treadmill team, but I'm hoping that the Knicks can at least play some entertaining basketball if nothing else. At some level, the baseline has to be giving fans their money's worth when they buy a ticket.

I think Galloway is the kind of guy who is going to look fantastic if we can upgrade the talent around him. He's a guy who will really fill out the stat sheet. Agree 100% and I think Fisher will be just fine also.

Galloway has shown some real good flashes but still a ways to go. I like his energy but the real test is when other teams start paying him more attention

I think they are paying attention now... I mean nobobdy on the Knicks scares you, and Galloway can score it pretty well. When Galloway is the 4th or 5th option behind Melo, OK4, etc etc he will look like a really good player.

GustavBahler wrote:After many, many years, the Knicks aren't giving away draft picks like candy anymore. Whether or not you believe that Phil should have made better deals for the picks he acquired, this change in philosophy should be welcome news for Knicks fans.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:After many, many years, the Knicks aren't giving away draft picks like candy anymore. Whether or not you believe that Phil should have made better deals for the picks he acquired, this change in philosophy should be welcome news for Knicks fans.

Thats the biggest positive for me. But to be fair we werent allowed to trade our 2015 pick so thats the only reason we still have it. The one time i want to thank the NBA

Special circumstance is signing two players at or near max BUT those players would have to be special. I view this as a 25% possibility. I DO not under ANY circumstance think that Greg Monroe Rajon Rondo Wes Matthews etc.. are special players worthy of being paid more than 10mm--

There are different avenues of which to go and it also depends what Phil J does in the draft.

What we "know" is that we DO NOT have many players on this current roster we can move forward with. The differential we have started to lose with tells you all you need to know about the current roster. When people start writing that Jose Calderon should be our starting PG next year--throw up enters my mouth. We have an aging slow point guard who CANNOT put ball pressure on the opponent nor can he even get to the rim. Even if we load up our frontcourt with some good new and older players--we need better play out of the G position to make it work in a reasonable way.
I absolutely do NOT agree with Splat that Melo scks--simply NOT the case. We can WORK with melo(and we have no choice so if this is a positive thread than we start there really)--he has shown he can be part of a team and still a vital cog. At WORST if we are shallow and we are not winning--as long as Melo becomes healthy and he is back to 25-6-4 45%+ we can talk with him about the potential of moving elsewhere IF it comes to that.

The ONLY guys I want back are Langston Galloway as a back up (and he has to learn to PASS the ball a LOT more and make a 3 when he is OPEN) Lou Admundson as a mentor back up because he has actually EARNED the spot. Lance Thomas is still up in the air and Early needs to show he can drive the ball and make a three over the next 25 games and SL--since he is a minimum player I think he should get the SUMMER league and a second year invitation to camp since he was hurt this year. And I would consider keeping J Smith for the vets minimum only anything more for his inconsistent play--Id rather spend elsewhere.

Gone Bargs Calderon Shveyd Acy probably Smith Wear Larkin Ald rich at while I think he needs to be gone I still think we can get some value from TimmY H