newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:#1 we get the top pick and get okafor

#2 dragic burns Miami and signs with the Knicks making them lose 2 first round draft picks for nothing! Woooo!

#3 Wesley Matthews signs with the Knicks

#4 Melo is back and is like new

#5 we sign or make a trade for an under the radar power fwd

We bring back lou amundson, lance thomas, galloway...we call up Thanasis. Bargnani signs back to a cheap deal.

C: Okafor
pf:Brandon Bass/Carlos Boozer type
sf:melo
sg:Wesley Matthews
pg:dragic

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This is only one dream sequence....I have so many.

What is yours?

My dream scenario is.
G.Dragic
W.Mathews
C.Anthony
Dray Green
J.Okafor

D.Russell
W.Mathews
C.Anthony
P.Milsap
M.Gasol

Which would you choose out of those two if you had that choice??

Will the Knicks have the cap space for this?

fishmike wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:One thing about Aldridge is he will be 30. It would be classic Knicks if they max him and he starts to slow/break down. Guys like Matthews are fine is they don't require the max

I agree and feel that way about Milsap. The one guy that would make me change that is OK4, because Aldridge would be the perfect stretch 4. We could move Lamarcus away from the hoop a bit and OK4 is a load down there... and I think if we had OK4 he would seriously consider coming here

Yea I'd be ok with that draft OK4 but like Briggs I'd have concerns about the defensive synergy in the front line. To me Ok4 is clearly a PF in the nba and you have to find a Center to be a rim protector next to him. And that won't be easy since we have other holes to fill. No more Dalembert types who don't fit the triangle and lack bball IQ.

Towns can play Center or PF. His athleticism makes him more versatile defensively and offensively he won't clog the middle and get in Melo's way. Monroe can give you some of what what Ok4 will give you at the 4. I think he is the perfect front court signing when you consider age and fit in the triangle

First off Jose C GTFO waive and stretch also good bye to Early Acy Admundson Thomas Wear Larkin and Smith. My goal here is to be competitive but also rebuilding.

C -Kosta Koufus 4 years 16mm
PF Karl Anthony Towns
SF Carmelo Anthony
SG Rodney Stuckey 3 years 22.5mm
PG Maurice Williams 1 year 6 mm with team option for 2

C Alexis Anjica 2 years 6mm(only guaranteed first year)
PF Rakeem Christmas acquired pick 28 with Cleveland for Tim Hardaway JR and 2 second round picks
SF Demarre Carroll 3 years 15mm
G Langston Galloway
G Gary Payton JR acquired Pick 43(cash)

C/PF Christian Wood acquired pick # 19 with Philly for a 2018 top 5 restricted #1
PF Larry Nance JR (undrafted) 3 years 2 guarnteed)
F Charlie Villanueva 2 years 3 mm
G Kevin Pangos(undrafted) 2 years 1 guaranteed)
G Landry Fields vet minimum

This leaves me a maximum spot in free agency in 2016 as well.

BRIGGS wrote:My turn

First off Jose C GTFO waive and stretch

C -Kosta Koufus 4 years 16mm
PF Karl Anthony Towns
SF Carmelo Anthony
SG Rodney Stuckey 3 years 22.5mm
PG Maurice Williams 1 year 6 mm with team option for 2

C Alexis Anjica 2 years 6mm
PF Rakeem Christmas acquired pick 28 with Cleveland for Tim Hardaway JR and 2 second round picks
SF Demarre Carroll 3 years 15mm
G Langston Galloway
G Gary Payton JR acquired Pick 43(cash)

C/PF Christian Wood acquired pick # 19 with Philly for a 2018 top 5 restricted #1
PF Larry Nance JR (undrafted)
F Charlie Villanueva 2 years 3 mm
G Kevin Pangos(undrafted)
G Landry Fields vet minimum

This leaves me a maximum spot in free agency in 2016 as well.

No to stuckey. A SG that cant shoot or defend at a high level. Need a true impact player. Can't see fans being excited at a team like this next fall. I like the froncourt and like Koufos, he will be a value signing for someone this offseason, maybe us, but that backcourt leaves a lot to be desired.

Vmart wrote:

newyorker4ever wrote:

EnySpree wrote:#1 we get the top pick and get okafor

#2 dragic burns Miami and signs with the Knicks making them lose 2 first round draft picks for nothing! Woooo!

#3 Wesley Matthews signs with the Knicks

#4 Melo is back and is like new

#5 we sign or make a trade for an under the radar power fwd

We bring back lou amundson, lance thomas, galloway...we call up Thanasis. Bargnani signs back to a cheap deal.

C: Okafor
pf:Brandon Bass/Carlos Boozer type
sf:melo
sg:Wesley Matthews
pg:dragic

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This is only one dream sequence....I have so many.

What is yours?

My dream scenario is.
G.Dragic
W.Mathews
C.Anthony
Dray Green
J.Okafor

D.Russell
W.Mathews
C.Anthony
P.Milsap
M.Gasol

Which would you choose out of those two if you had that choice??

Will the Knicks have the cap space for this?

newyorker4ever wrote:There's many ways to go about this free agency. Phil could just load up on tier 2 or tier 3 players on good, short contracts and when the trade deadline comes around any player that will be a URFA in 2016 and hasn't given his team a vote of confidence that he's gonna re-sign with them will be up for trade so having some good players on good contracts and the extra 2nd round picks Phil got this year will be good for trading at the deadline next year. This is obviously if Phil strikes out on any of the bigger names in 2015. Just one way of going about it.

You're right, this is another way to go but something that would be very much in the back of my mind if I were Phil -- Carmelo Anthony is breaking down right in front of our very eyeballs. I hope he can keep it together for the next few seasons and come back at optimum level. That's key because there's an urgency now to put the best team together asap. last thing I'd want to see is another Pat Ewing deal where we finally put together enough talent to make it far in the playoffs, maybe even to the Finals, and not have our best guy available. We chose to give this guy $125mm. I'm not saying blow our load completely but to me there's an urgency to field a good team sooner than later. Just something I hope Phil has in mind. He has to I'm sure.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:My turn

First off Jose C GTFO waive and stretch

C -Kosta Koufus 4 years 16mm
PF Karl Anthony Towns
SF Carmelo Anthony
SG Rodney Stuckey 3 years 22.5mm
PG Maurice Williams 1 year 6 mm with team option for 2

C Alexis Anjica 2 years 6mm
PF Rakeem Christmas acquired pick 28 with Cleveland for Tim Hardaway JR and 2 second round picks
SF Demarre Carroll 3 years 15mm
G Langston Galloway
G Gary Payton JR acquired Pick 43(cash)

C/PF Christian Wood acquired pick # 19 with Philly for a 2018 top 5 restricted #1
PF Larry Nance JR (undrafted)
F Charlie Villanueva 2 years 3 mm
G Kevin Pangos(undrafted)
G Landry Fields vet minimum

This leaves me a maximum spot in free agency in 2016 as well.

No to stuckey. A SG that cant shoot or defend at a high level. Need a true impact player. Can't see fans being excited at a team like this next fall. I like the froncourt and like Koufos, he will be a value signing for someone this offseason, maybe us, but that backcourt leaves a lot to be desired.

Rodney is more of a hybrid 1-2 which suits this team much better. Have you watched any Stuckey at all lately? Hes playing at the highest levels of his career. The entire format of my roster is based on two way players defense first and Stuckey is just fine on that end. Stuckey will cost me less maybe as much as 4-5mm per year and I like him better for this team. He gives us the penetration we just have not had and he can shoot fine(guys an 85% FT shooter) and will get great spacing here. I went VERY aggressive into the draft and I went for secondary free agents who will cost us less but I think will give the same value that the higher cost would especially in the quality of depth. Each player I thought of would be getting a nice raise and give me a lot back in Carroll Koufus MO Williams and Stuckey. I also added lower level guys Anjica back up C Villenuva 3 point specialist and can step in on any unit and Fields back as he can handle like a PG at 6-8 and can hit the three but has played himself into an NBA minimum contract. The roster was built on SIZE length athletic ability and the common theme of unit two is defense first. This is not the end game but its the beginning so I want to keep thoinsg flexible and keep my salary cap open for the following year. Im allowing players like Koufus Anjica to sprout their skills and getting known quantities for a good price in Carroll Stuckey and Williams. And with Williams I can go up in price if need be on year 1 and give him a partial guarantee on yr 2 to make sure I get him for this year. Over time I intend to move forward with the three younger PG's. This is an Eastern Conference playoff team --we'd be one of the biggest deepest teams in the east but I have made room in the back end for the future.

lavoy allen is an underrated defender... and a pretty decent passer for a pf... the offense is limited but you're not getting all world for 5mm...

if we want to go cheap there are young, cheap and pretty good defenders with potential on the offensive end as opposed to old(er), expensive, good offensive players... all the names being pushed out by others make us a good to great offensive team but we can be just as good if we play good to great defense... it also involves a lot of big names who probably won't move...

1 draft pick(towns, hopefully tab delon wright somewhere)... 3 easy pickups with some fillers who should at least be nba caliber... and we're right back at 45-50 wins with a 55win trajectory in 2016...

Finestrg wrote:

BigRedDog wrote:

FistOfOakley wrote:give me a lineup of...

C Towns
PF Lavoy Allen
SF Anthony
SG kj mcdaniels
PG Cory Joseph/delon wright

with 20mm to spare in 2016... i'm doing cartwheels...

Lavoy allen is NOT a starting PF in the NBA. He will get destroyed

I don't agree -- I think Allen's an automatic double/double guy as a starter with enough mins. Something close to Marreese Speights/Kurt Thomas. Ideally, I'd like to get this guy and have him as one of my first key bigs off the bench but as a starter would could do a lot worse. I think he's better than Jason Smith.

Yeah, I think he is great value, Allen has improved a lot this year especially with his 17footer (similar to KG, a step inner and KG use to be automatic while Allen could hit it 7/10 times)
I agree with Fine, he can start IF NEEDED or he could be the first BIG off the bench, of course if he does start, we would expect to have 3 ALL STAR tier players in the starting lineup and he would be the 4th or 5th option
His combination mobility, athleticism, length/size, allows him to defend both PF/C effectively while hit improved shooting also allows him to play both positions on PF or Center
While players like Brandon Bass would earn in the range of 5m +, even Koufus *though he is more of Center that I would not mind signing at about 5m*, we have a budget
Some more players I feel would be GREAT value, looking to spend vet min to about 3m per year on a multiyear deal 2-3 seasons *with team options on final year, 2nd or 3rd, in similar positions include

Some PF/C's and Centers that would be cheap
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Serephin *final year in Washington that signed the qualifing offer this season, UFA next summer*
Freeland *Portland, same thing as Serephin*

Arinze Onuaku - D League leader in rebounds has been one of the TOP rebounders in the D League for 2 consecutive years

Our own D Leager's in the Weschester Knicks
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Orlando Sanchez *2year deal, wouldn't mind doing a 3 year deal like Galloway has with team options, feel he could be another great fit that could be part of our rotation at PF with skills comparable to Jared Sullinger/Channing Frye

Jordan Bachynski/Ben Strong while Backynski was a leading shot blocker that many wanted to draft, he hasn't been given much PT and produced much in the D League thus far but if he continues to get stronger, he could be a bigger Kris Humphries type player, while Ben Strong has played some very strong games with us with a few other guys on top of Thanasis and Galloway when he was there...

I wanted KJ McDaniels but since Houston traded for him *with no state tax there*, I don't think they will let him go unless he is seriously overpaid by a lot, which would defeat the whole purpose
Would have been confident we could have provided a more ideal situation than Philly they kept him since he would be a UFA, signing a 1year deal only, this move probably makes Brewer expendable at some point or allow McDaniels to take over Brewer's position when his contract ends as a cheaper and younger replacement as he continues to learn off Brewer/Ariza and develop his game in Houston, playing off Harden's abilities
He could have an effect/role that Ariza had on the Laker's if he develops a consistent 3pt shot and puts on some weight/strength
Practicing and training with Harden and the rest of the WINGS on Houston will surely speed his development if he stays and isn't traded by Morey *which Morey loves to do, find talent to develop and ship them out/rotate assets with cap friendly contracts

Morey fully understand and executes his strength of Houston/Texas, playing with ALL STAR's to lure people and NO STATE tax so players can make more money, then shipping them out then rinse and repeat to constantly acquiring assets