knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

Who said cheer? I'm not even watching games right now.

so we can't even look forward to the draft cuz is going to be a bust anyway? If all top 4 picks are bust then stop me now before I kill myself.

Free agency isn't guaranteed but at least we have the space just in case we have a taker that fits.

You see what I'm saying? It's like a rage for no reason. We're in cruise control right now at least we should be instead of screaming bloody murder over a roster we already knew was ****ed to begin with

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

What's the ton of work? We draft a top 4 pick and then we hold our cash out to whoever wants it, that fits what we are trying to do. Not much to that actually

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

EnySpree wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

What's the ton of work? We draft a top 4 pick and then we hold our cash out to whoever wants it, that fits what we are trying to do. Not much to that actually

EnySpree wrote:We have a top 4 pick and 30 million dollars to spend this off season....

Why isn't that something to feel good about?

Why come to a knicks fan site to do your best Steven A smith impression. This team sucks.....duh cuz were trying to get a top 4 pick in this draft. What am i missing?

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

Stop living in the F'n past!!! Why not talk about what is ahead for this team in terms of opportunities to rebuild the team. Bitching about how bad things have been is defeatist and a waste of time. There's nothing virtuous about complaining over things that can't be changed. Take stock of the fact that this team has it's 1st rd. pick and has cleared out the trash for once. This is the best chance we've had to get a franchise talent in a very long time. Then on top of that we have cap space too!!! You can't tell me this isn't a better situation than we've had in a long time.

The difference between me and you is I can see through the orange and blue glasses. Sure I hope for the best, I'm from NY and live here all my life. but I'm not jaded. i can smell the trash, even though I love the city.

Would you be a Knicks fan if you didnt live here?

StarksEwing1 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We have a top 4 pick and 30 million dollars to spend this off season....

Why isn't that something to feel good about?

Why come to a knicks fan site to do your best Steven A smith impression. This team sucks.....duh cuz were trying to get a top 4 pick in this draft. What am i missing?

now you are just being silly. Nobody said we would suck.

Amare plays when he felt like it.
Jr Smith tuned everyone out in training camp.
Shump gave up on us.
Bargnani just came back from injury in February.

We got rid of all those guys except Melo who's out cuz of injury, Bargs, thjr and Calderon. The rest are a bunch of minimum salary players.

What the hell do you want Phil to do? Yes that original group should have been playoff bound but that group never played a single game together....and like I said Phil got rid of them already.....

what the problem is?

knickscity wrote:

nixluva wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:The team is terrible, you want folks to cheer? Not a chance. Put a winning team out there to get praise. Phil should get bashed, his work has overall been terrible, but whats worse is he thought he had a good team, and admitted that numerously. Free agency has no guarantee, good players havent historically wanted to come to NY. The draft might be consolation for this pathetic season, but knowing the Knicks it's more likely they'll draft a bust than a stud.

For me, I hope for the best, but expect the worst. iahvent been disappointed in quite a while.

they have a ton of work to do thats for sure

Absolutely. Sometimes it's better to be a realist than to be jaded. the only reason why the team should improve is because right now it's the worst in Knicks history.

Stop living in the F'n past!!! Why not talk about what is ahead for this team in terms of opportunities to rebuild the team. Bitching about how bad things have been is defeatist and a waste of time. There's nothing virtuous about complaining over things that can't be changed. Take stock of the fact that this team has it's 1st rd. pick and has cleared out the trash for once. This is the best chance we've had to get a franchise talent in a very long time. Then on top of that we have cap space too!!! You can't tell me this isn't a better situation than we've had in a long time.

I saw similar in 2010, only money chasers are coming. I dont trust Phil, he's old and out of touch with reality. i also dont see a single gamechanger in the draft...all those cats are flawed. even yourself said we have to strike gold, but sorry there's no gold in the draft. there's no Tim Duncans, no LeBrons, No Kobe's or Shaq's...hoping they are wont change what they are.

The difference between me and you is I can see through the orange and blue glasses. Sure I hope for the best, I'm from NY and live here all my life. but I'm not jaded. i can smell the trash, even though I love the city.

Would you be a Knicks fan if you didnt live here?

This is NOTHING like 2010. This is a much more focused and in sync franchise going into this off Season. There's no comparison.

You not trusting Phil is fine, but it's also stupid. He's not old and out of touch when he just won a title 5 years ago. Nothing in life changes that fast not even the NBA. There are plenty of players who were around at that time still in the league.

It's very difficult to tell how this draft will rate compared to other years. I actually think this draft is gonna be pretty good. It's not fair to talk about this draft in terms of having an all time great or not. Who knows at this point. Let's remember that OK4 and Towns are babies. They're very young and bigs usually need some time. OK4 already shows tons of promise. Who knew for sure that Steph Curry would be this good or Butler for that matter? Sometimes a draft has great players who just haven't proven themselves yet.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

knickscity wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

EnySpree wrote:We have a top 4 pick and 30 million dollars to spend this off season....

Why isn't that something to feel good about?

Why come to a knicks fan site to do your best Steven A smith impression. This team sucks.....duh cuz were trying to get a top 4 pick in this draft. What am i missing?

now you are just being silly. Nobody said we would suck.

I guess that was referred to me...I did predict they'd suck. Just not this bad.

i predicted 35 wins so i was way off lol. I like positivity but value honesty in order to get better. The OP thinks its so easy just because we have cap room and a pick. I respect his optimism but im still looking for a little realism

EnySpree wrote:Why is there so much hostility surrounding the team this year?

Because it seems that we have two competing plans right now. Plan A is to tank and build through the draft; at best this will take several seasons. Plan B is to use our cap space to build around a soon to be 31-year old Melo coming off of major knee surgery. We basically have through the Summer of 2016 to complete this plan, at best. To complicate matters, there aren't many impact free agents this Summer and the few that are around either don't want to switch teams or are RFAs whose teams' will match an offer.

EnySpree wrote:We've seen way worse! I just don't get it.....

Actually, we haven't. The worst 82-game seasons we've ever had were 85-86, 05-06, and 07-08; we went 23-59 each of those seasons. We're currently on pace for 14 wins. In attempting to turn last year's team into a playoff team he created, by far, the worst team in franchise history. In fact, not only is this certainly going to be the worst season in franchise history, if we only win 14 games we'll be tied for the 8th worse season in NBA history. For all the justifiable **** Hinkie gets, his 76ers haven't been this bad and they were actively trying to be terrible.

EnySpree wrote:From day one we all knew every single player on the roster was not going to be here in 2015.... so why is there so much anger about or record? Phil got rid of all the complainers, trouble makers and underachievers....

Really? Go back and take a look at some of the threads prior to the season. Calderon was a huge upgrade over Felton; Shumpert was going to be revitalized playing in the triangle; Dalembert was a reasonable replacement for Tyson, if not better; Larkin, whose option we didn't pick up so he won't be back next year anyway, was a nice young player with potential; Hardaway was going to improve on last season. The general consensus was that we were a 40+ win team that was going to get a max free agent this Summer to put us over the top.

EnySpree wrote:right now we have a skeleton roster.... everything is setting up the draft and free agency. We're going to get a top 4 pick. We can sign whoever wants to come here.

We have a coach in place. We're running a system that players can see what we're trying to do here. So there's no guessing game.

Why so hostile and angry? I just don't get it. The sky is the limit in my opinion. We're set up to do nothing but improve no matter what happens.

Phil got off to a bad start by trading one of our only assets, Tyson Chandler, for next to nothing and taking back salary in the deal. He bid against himself by giving Melo a slightly less than supermax contract with a no-trade clause. A year after entertaining offers for Shumpert that would have brought back draft picks we gave him away in a salary dump. We have one player, maybe two if you count Calderon, that should be getting regular playing time on a decent NBA team. Hopefully, that number jumps to 3 after the draft. But, for some reason, we're not scouring the D-League to bring in guys that might be able to help. Instead, we're wasting roster spots on Bargnani and Amundson; guys who have been in the league for years and are clearly terrible. And, considering we don't have enough cap space to fill in our open spots with good players this Summer, we desperately need to luck into a diamond in the rough.

But you're right, we're probably going to improve. It's hard to get any worse than what we are today.